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@Yehren I see that you repeated your assertions without effectively refuting mine.... Why not quote ALL of my conclusion?? Here it is again.

I am for justice for ALL Americans! I don't believe the protests and riots make justice more attainable. I see them compounding injustice as local officials are pressured to make snap judgments about cases potentially involving police brutality instead of allowing the courts to decide these cases once all of the facts are known.
 

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I am for justice for ALL Americans!


Then act on that.


I don't believe the protests and riots make justice more attainable.

The protests have been highly effective, judging by the results.

I see them compounding injustice as local officials are pressured to make snap judgments about cases potentially involving police brutality

Police do that every day. We pay them to decide whether or not there's reasonable cause to arrest. This is exactly why they are prohibited from punishing people they arrest, something that some of them ignore and routinely violate. Reasonable cause is not a conviction. When police cross the line, they should be arrested. Just like anyone else, they will have their day in court.
 

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Then act on that.

LOL! You don't know me. Who says I haven't? God knows!

The protests have been highly effective, judging by the results.

Sure they have..........

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Police do that every day. We pay them to decide whether or not there's reasonable cause to arrest. This is exactly why they are prohibited from punishing people they arrest, something that some of them ignore and routinely violate. Reasonable cause is not a conviction. When police cross the line, they should be arrested. Just like anyone else, they will have their day in court.

Now you're getting it! Let's let the courts decide who is innocent and who is guilty. In America, we're innocent until PROVEN guilty.

But those who resist arrest are making it impossible for the courts to have their say. Take Atlanta, for instance. Last night the police were called because a man was blocking the entrance to a downtown Wendy's. The man allegedly failed the sobriety test. A video of the incident shows that two officers were handcuffing him when the man broke free from the cuffs. A scuffle ensued, and one of the officers unsuccessfully tased the man. The suspect grabbed the officer's taser and tased the officer on the hand. The suspect then broke free with the taser, and it appears that he shot it back at the officer as the officer gave chase. At that point, the officer fired on the suspect, killing him. Oh, the suspect happened to be black, and the officers were white. While I don't agree with this use of deadly force, I'm not going to jump to any conclusions.

Unfortunately, the fallout from this incident has been swift and destructive. The Wendy's was burned down by protesters (see above pic), and the Atlanta police chief, who was sympathetic to the cause of the peaceful protesters, has resigned.
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With this term "systemic racism", what systems or policies are there in America that are designed to oppress black people???
 
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With this term "systemic racism", what systems or policies are there in America that are designed to oppress black people???

Good question. If this exists, there is evidence. Let's see it.

The way I see it, racism does exist in America from all sides (meaning all colors), but politics will never fix it. The hearts of all who hate people of other ethnic groups need to be changed. As far as systemic racism, meaning part of the system, I don't see it.
 

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Do you fantasize about raping women?

You are the one who keeps bringing it up. I'm probably not the only one wondering why. I get the thing about black men and racist fears, but since rape hasn't been one of the issues here, it's odd that you keep coming back to it.

Maybe you could go to one of these protests and take your Bible and get a selfie of yourself raping a woman and holding up a Bible? It all reeks of demon spawn to me.

You should realize you're revealing a lot of um, unusual stuff about yourself, um?
 

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With this term "systemic racism", what systems or policies are there in America that are designed to oppress black people???

As far as systemic racism, meaning part of the system, I don't see it.

The classic case was in Ferguson, MO. The city had a policy of finding petty offenses to charge black citizens, with high fines, which tended to put them in debt to the city, insuring a constant revenue source. The police had become a profit center and the city government a parasite on the black population.

To understand some of the distrust of police that has fueled protests in Ferguson, Mo., consider this: In 2013, the municipal court in Ferguson — a city of 21,135 people — issued 32,975 arrest warrants for nonviolent offenses, mostly driving violations.


A new report released the week after 18-year old Michael Brown was shot and killed in Ferguson helps explain why. ArchCity Defenders, a St. Louis-area public defender group, says in its report that more than half the courts in St. Louis County engage in the "illegal and harmful practices" of charging high court fines and fees on nonviolent offenses like traffic violations — and then arresting people when they don't pay. The report singles out courts in three communities, including Ferguson.


Thomas Harvey, who started the organization to provide legal services to the poor in the St. Louis region and is the lead author of the report, says residents, especially in Ferguson, have come to see the use of fines and fees as a way for courts to collect money from residents who are often the least able to pay.
In Ferguson, Court Fines And Fees Fuel Anger

The number of cases increased greatly as the city lost other revenues and came to depend more and more on fines levied on the poorest citizens. It was only a matter of time before a spark ignited the situation.
 
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The classic case was in Ferguson, MO. The city had a policy of finding petty offenses to charge black citizens, with high fines, which tended to put them in debt to the city, insuring a constant revenue source. The police had become a profit center and the city government a parasite on the black population.

To understand some of the distrust of police that has fueled protests in Ferguson, Mo., consider this: In 2013, the municipal court in Ferguson — a city of 21,135 people — issued 32,975 arrest warrants for nonviolent offenses, mostly driving violations.


A new report released the week after 18-year old Michael Brown was shot and killed in Ferguson helps explain why. ArchCity Defenders, a St. Louis-area public defender group, says in its report that more than half the courts in St. Louis County engage in the "illegal and harmful practices" of charging high court fines and fees on nonviolent offenses like traffic violations — and then arresting people when they don't pay. The report singles out courts in three communities, including Ferguson.


Thomas Harvey, who started the organization to provide legal services to the poor in the St. Louis region and is the lead author of the report, says residents, especially in Ferguson, have come to see the use of fines and fees as a way for courts to collect money from residents who are often the least able to pay.
In Ferguson, Court Fines And Fees Fuel Anger

The number of cases increased greatly as the city lost other revenues and came to depend more and more on fines levied on the poorest citizens. It was only a matter of time before a spark ignited the situation.

These cases in a small town of just over 21,000 residents proves systemic racism in the U.S.???
 

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These cases in a small town of just over 21,000 residents proves systemic racism in the U.S.???

It's just one case; that practice is widespread. As you learned, a number of other communties in that part of Missouri used it. It's used in other states, too. It's just one example of the way systemic racism works. Would you like to see some more?
 

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It's just one case; that practice is widespread. As you learned, a number of other communties in that part of Missouri used it. It's used in other states, too. It's just one example of the way systemic racism works. Would you like to see some more?
I would say that systemic racism in a nation would involve the national level, not just isolated cases in various localities. Don’t get me wrong, I’m against racism of any kind on the part of any ethnic group. But widespread systemic racism on the national level? I don’t think so.
 

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A federal court has ordered Texas to redraw its congressional district map after finding it had twice been intentionally drawn to discriminate against minorities -- a ruling that the state has vowed to challenge in the U.S. Supreme Court.

In March, the three-judge panel in San Antonio invalidated three of the state's congressional districts drawn in 2011 because they intentionally discriminate against minorities. But the court did not order those districts redrawn because it still needed to rule on whether they had been fixed after a court-ordered remedial map-drawing process in 2013.
Federal court orders Texas congressional map redrawn, finding discrimination of minorities


Pretty much the definition of systemic racism.

Want to see some more?



 

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The classic case was in Ferguson, MO. The city had a policy of finding petty offenses to charge black citizens, with high fines, which tended to put them in debt to the city, insuring a constant revenue source. The police had become a profit center and the city government a parasite on the black population.

To understand some of the distrust of police that has fueled protests in Ferguson, Mo., consider this: In 2013, the municipal court in Ferguson — a city of 21,135 people — issued 32,975 arrest warrants for nonviolent offenses, mostly driving violations.


A new report released the week after 18-year old Michael Brown was shot and killed in Ferguson helps explain why. ArchCity Defenders, a St. Louis-area public defender group, says in its report that more than half the courts in St. Louis County engage in the "illegal and harmful practices" of charging high court fines and fees on nonviolent offenses like traffic violations — and then arresting people when they don't pay. The report singles out courts in three communities, including Ferguson.


Thomas Harvey, who started the organization to provide legal services to the poor in the St. Louis region and is the lead author of the report, says residents, especially in Ferguson, have come to see the use of fines and fees as a way for courts to collect money from residents who are often the least able to pay.
In Ferguson, Court Fines And Fees Fuel Anger

The number of cases increased greatly as the city lost other revenues and came to depend more and more on fines levied on the poorest citizens. It was only a matter of time before a spark ignited the situation.

Where I live in the state of Victoria it rips off it's citizens more than every other state.
Victorians paid a total of $320,000,000 in fines from traffic cameras last year.
They are so militant that they sent me to prison for multiple traffic offenses.

In Ferguson, Harvey says going to court creates more anger. The system, he says, favors people who can hire a lawyer. But poorer defendants simply take a guilty plea.
This is a problem for the justice system everywhere and is what ive been trying to say over at the "death penalty" thread. Justice only serves those that can afford it

As far as systemic racism goes the article says this

Blacks make up 67 percent of the city's population, but are 86 percent of motorists stopped by police. Whites make up 29 percent of the population, but 12.7 percent of vehicle stops.
"However, this data seems at odds with the fact that searches of black individuals result in discovery of contraband only 21.7 percent of the time, while similar searches of whites produce contraband 34 percent of the time," the ArchCity Defenders report notes.


Their could be a lot of reasons for those figures but even if we assume it is from racism in the system of this little town we would then have to make an even bigger assumption to say all of America has systemic racism

An American on another forum was trying to claim that the Abo's here are systemically oppressed... I knew they weren't but when I checked i found that its the non-Abo that is being treated unfavorably.
For health the government spends $1.38 on every Abo compared to $1.00 for the rest.
They get a higher benefit for school and unemployment
And they get taxed less than everyone else
So over here the systemic oppression is against non-Aboriginals
 

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I would say that systemic racism in a nation would involve the national level, not just isolated cases in various localities.

By that standard, segregation wasn't systemic racism. You really want to support that idea? The idea that it's not systemic racism unless it's established as national policy seems completely crazy to me.
 

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A federal court has ordered Texas to redraw its congressional district map after finding it had twice been intentionally drawn to discriminate against minorities -- a ruling that the state has vowed to challenge in the U.S. Supreme Court.

In March, the three-judge panel in San Antonio invalidated three of the state's congressional districts drawn in 2011 because they intentionally discriminate against minorities. But the court did not order those districts redrawn because it still needed to rule on whether they had been fixed after a court-ordered remedial map-drawing process in 2013.
Federal court orders Texas congressional map redrawn, finding discrimination of minorities


Pretty much the definition of systemic racism.

Want to see some more?


Lol! This has been a political ploy from way back—decades ago. You should see the gerrymandering in my state that favors black candidates.
 

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This is a problem for the justice system everywhere and is what ive been trying to say over at the "death penalty" thread. Justice only serves those that can afford it

Turns out, in this country, it's black citizens who were easy to discriminate against. So they did it. Republicans were offended by the court's decision overturning their racist redistricting. They explained that ordinarily, they wouldn't mind if blacks got equal treatment under the law, but blacks keep voting for democrats and they had to do something about that.
 

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Australia is systemically racist against white people...

Ive read a few definition on systemic racism... Might be worth starting with that so we understand what we're talking about
 
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Turns out, in this country, it's black citizens who were easy to discriminate against. So they did it. Republicans were offended by the court's decision overturning their racist redistricting. They explained that ordinarily, they wouldn't mind if blacks got equal treatment under the law, but blacks keep voting for democrats and they had to do something about that.

Wasn't it the democrats that used the black people as slaves in the south???
 
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By that standard, segregation wasn't systemic racism. You really want to support that idea? The idea that it's not systemic racism unless it's established as national policy seems completely crazy to me.
The original post about this was referring to systemic racism in America. I was commenting on this as a nationwide problem in this day and age.

When was segregation last enforced? How long has it been? I didn’t say anything about supporting segregation. In fact, I clearly stated that I oppose racism of any form.
 

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Lol! This has been a political ploy from way back—decades ago.

More than decades. It was named for Elbridge Thomas Gerry, fifth vice president of the United States. It's legal, normally. Shouldn't be. It's a corrupt way of defying the wishes of voters. But if it's done for racial reasons, it's illegal. That's what systemic racism is. And yes, there are places (Maryland comes to mind) where Gerrymandering favors democrats. Doesn't matter. It's still corrupt. It's just that unless it targets races, it's legal.

Except where voters rose up in a few states and outlawed it.
 

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Wasn't it the democrats that used the black people as slaves in the south???

Conservatives of both parties. The liberals opposed it. This is why, after Johnson pushed the civil rights acts through Congress, most conservatives fled the democrats and became republicans. Likewise black voters mostly abandoned the republicans and became democrats.

Both conservatives and blacks knew where they were welcome.