Shroud of Turin: Absolute proof the man seen in it is Jesus Christ
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That is only a Christian doing due diligence CR. The only motivation there is the truth.
1. Exactly! The fact that we don't know if myrrh and aloes would still be present in a cloth 2000 years old must be subject to the same investigation done to know about the imprints, blood, etc.. It is reasonable to presume that, there will be traces of myrrh and aloes in the cloth unless they totally disintegrate out and away from the cloth. 100 pounds of such mixture is no small amount. The point is why was this not addressed and settled.
2. Exactly again! The fact that there are a lot of unknowns and variables, the matter should have been given the same investigative attention. Regarding the cloth, the manner of wrapping must be established with some certainty as this is critical to the biblical records. As I have said, if there be any manner of wrapping done, that which was done to Lazarus is the best and most likely that was done with Jesus. The testimonies concerning the grave cloths in the gospels describes cloths consistent with those used with Lazarus and so then necessarily establishes the same manner of wrapping. That is no surprise as Lazarus lived at the same time and area as Jesus was, and is a Jew. It speaks of a separate cloth for the head. The point is why was this not addressed and settled.
From videos pertaining the shroud of Turin that I've seen so far, the two points were not given attention, if not, altogether were considered unimportant and insignificant. Well, not for the Christian who relies first and foremost on the word of God.
You said "So that's those two claims debunked but even if there was a tiny little detail that didn't match that wouldn't prove it is fake." Not in any way debunked by that and just like that sir. What tiny little detail would that be? If it was established that the myrrh and aloes should have traces in the cloth and the cloth when inspected shows none. Will that be a tiny little detail? The age of the cloth, is that a tiny little detail, that when it was established in 1988, if I am not mistaken, as not falling around the time of the death of Christ, was the shroud not said to be a fake? Could the age of the cloth wipe out the other details such as having all the lashes, the crown of thorns, his 5 wounds, human blood, and which you say and believe are as scripture says? Well....
You said "The only way to prove it's false is to demonstrate how it was created. Until then it remains a mystery." Why, has it already been proven absolutely true? Is it now a matter of fact that the shroud of Turin had been proven to be the grave cloth of Jesus Christ, that one does not now prove it to be true but instead prove it to be false?
IT seems to me that for you, it remains a mystery since it has not yet been demonstrated how it was created, then we should not even be discussing it, right? For in that case, you neither believe it to be true nor false. In other words, it really matters not.
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I won't laugh at you but there's little hope for those who reject the Bible as the written Word of God.
1 Thessalonians 2:13
13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, ...
Why, has it already been proven absolutely true? Is it now a matter of fact that the shroud of Turin is the grave cloth of Jesus Christ, that one does not now prove it to be true but instead prove it to be false? The thing is, it is yet to be proven true. Until then, it remains to be not true.
Besides, the event horizon thing, used to explain the markings, is just but a guess by scientist, but could not demonstrate it. That means that is not something that one can hold on as truth.
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What is HIGHLY suspect is that he is trying to overrule the Bible with the shroud.
No "scientific proof", just a pic.Man I just posted the Scientific proof. Do you think I put this on there when nobody was looking?
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Do you believe that Satan and demons have powers and can do deceiving wonders?
The real test really is if it contradicts scriptures, then it is false.
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Mary was a Godly woman that God chose to give birth to His perfect Son. That's all.
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