who is ‘a revenger to execute wrath’?

[VictoryinJesus]

Jeremiah 21:8-10 And unto this people thou shalt say, Thus saith the Lord ; Behold, I set before you the way of life, and the way of death. [9] He that abideth in this city shall die by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence: but he that goeth out, and falleth to the Chaldeans that besiege you, he shall live, and his life shall be unto him for a prey. [10] For I have set my face against this city for evil, and not for good, saith the Lord : it shall be given into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall burn it with fire.

Amos 9:1-4 1] I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered. [2] Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up (ascend)to heaven, thence will I bring them down: [3] And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them: [4] And though they go into captivity before their enemies, thence will I command the sword, and it shall slay them: and I will set mine eyes upon them for evil, and not for good.

Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. (Romans 8:28)But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; Amos 9:9 Lexicon: "For behold, I am commanding, And I will shake the house of Israel among all nations As grain is shaken in a sieve, But not a kernel will fall to the ground.(shake 5128: to quiver, wave, waver, tremble...)for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Romans 13:4 Lexicon: for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. for he bears not the sword for nothing (1500:without cause or reason, vainly)

 

[user]

Jeremiah 21:8-10 And unto this people thou shalt say, Thus saith the Lord ; Behold, I set before you the way of life, and the way of death. [9] He that abideth in this city shall die by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence: but he that goeth out, and falleth to the Chaldeans that besiege you, he shall live, and his life shall be unto him for a prey. [10] For I have set my face against this city for evil, and not for good, saith the Lord : it shall be given into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall burn it with fire.

Amos 9:1-4 1] I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered. [2] Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up (ascend)to heaven, thence will I bring them down: [3] And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them: [4] And though they go into captivity before their enemies, thence will I command the sword, and it shall slay them: and I will set mine eyes upon them for evil, and not for good.

Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. (Romans 8:28)But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; Amos 9:9 Lexicon: "For behold, I am commanding, And I will shake the house of Israel among all nations As grain is shaken in a sieve, But not a kernel will fall to the ground.(shake 5128: to quiver, wave, waver, tremble...)for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Romans 13:4 Lexicon: for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. for he bears not the sword for nothing (1500:without cause or reason, vainly)

Good question. The revenger also appears in Numbers 35...

Numbers 35:19 The revenger of blood himself shall slay the murderer: when he meeteth him, he shall slay him.
[21] Or in enmity smite him with his hand, that he die: he that smote him shall surely be put to death; for he is a murderer: the revenger of blood shall slay the murderer, when he meeteth him.
[24] Then the congregation shall judge between the slayer and the revenger of blood according to these judgments:
[25] And the congregation shall deliver the slayer out of the hand of the revenger of blood, and the congregation shall restore him to the city of his refuge, whither he was fled: and he shall abide in it unto the death of the high priest, which was anointed with the holy oil.
[27] And the revenger of blood find him without the borders of the city of his refuge, and the revenger of blood kill the slayer; he shall not be guilty of blood:

The revenger of blood or the redeemer of blood - the next in blood to him who was slain according to verse 12...

Numbers 35:12 And they shall be unto you cities for refuge from the avenger; that the manslayer die not, until he stand before the congregation in judgment.

God Bless!

 

[DPMartin]

Jeremiah 21:8-10 And unto this people thou shalt say, Thus saith the Lord ; Behold, I set before you the way of life, and the way of death. [9] He that abideth in this city shall die by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence: but he that goeth out, and falleth to the Chaldeans that besiege you, he shall live, and his life shall be unto him for a prey. [10] For I have set my face against this city for evil, and not for good, saith the Lord : it shall be given into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall burn it with fire.

Amos 9:1-4 1] I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered. [2] Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up (ascend)to heaven, thence will I bring them down: [3] And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them: [4] And though they go into captivity before their enemies, thence will I command the sword, and it shall slay them: and I will set mine eyes upon them for evil, and not for good.

Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. (Romans 8:28)But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; Amos 9:9 Lexicon: "For behold, I am commanding, And I will shake the house of Israel among all nations As grain is shaken in a sieve, But not a kernel will fall to the ground.(shake 5128: to quiver, wave, waver, tremble...)for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Romans 13:4 Lexicon: for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. for he bears not the sword for nothing (1500:without cause or reason, vainly)

what you don't think the Lord God uses the world's violence to avenge? Nebuchadnezzar in some Jewish circles is referred to as "the hammer" and after those 70 years did the Lord God name Cyrus who was to let Israel reestablish the temple. did not the Lord God approximately 40 years after Christ was risen use Rome to destroy Israel according to Danial? didn't after WWII the Lord God use the world UN to reestablish the state of Israel. the Lord their God has used the world to destroy and reestablish Israel.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The revenger of blood or the redeemer of blood - the next in blood to him who was slain according to verse 12...

Thank you for sharing that passage. Makes me think of Revelation 6:10 Lexicon: and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"

 

[Enoch111]

All those passages quoted in the OP are unrelated.

Romans 13:1-5 is about the subjection of Christians to civil authorities (called "the higher powers"). And verse 4 sanctions the death penalty for heinous crimes. "The sword" is the executioner's sword (which is now out of date). However, the death penalty is not out of date.

On the other hand, the passages from the Old Testament relate to the judgment which would come upon Israel (as a nation) for their disobedience and idolatry. God would use the Babylonians to bring judgment on Israel. Israel received warning after warning from the prophets that the people would need to repent to turn away God's wrath. But they failed to listen.

 

[DNB]

The revenger, or revengers, are different entities at different times throughout history, designated by God, to execute judgement on His behalf, for various reasons. Especially Numbers 35:19 (user's quote), that particular avenger was as random and variant, as the cases of homicide or manslaughter were.
None of your citations denoted a single being or entity, the identity of the avenger was all circumstantial, thus, even their title as avenger was temporal and not inherent, ....outside of God Himself, orchestrating the unfolding of history to exact His vengeance, according to His will.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The revenger, or revengers, are different entities at different times throughout history, designated by God, to execute judgement on His behalf, for various reasons. Especially Numbers 35:19 (user's quote), that particular avenger was as random and variant, as the cases of homicide or manslaughter were.
None of your citations denoted a single being or entity, the identity of the avenger was all circumstantial, thus, even their title as avenger was temporal and not inherent, ....outside of God Himself, orchestrating the unfolding of history to exact His vengeance, according to His will.

I do see what you are saying about difference in Jeremiah 15:3 And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the Lord : the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.

And even when Paul said to put that evil one without the body for the destruction of the flesh, that he might be saved. But yet also ‘give place to wrath, for vengeance belongs to the Lord, I will repay’ He said. As you pointed out ‘according to His will’ Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Disagree in it not being all connected, even passage from the OT as it all unfolds to shows vengeance belongs to Him and how much so.

Isaiah 57:19-21 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord ; and I will heal him. [20] But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt. [21] There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

Psalm 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.

Mark 4:37-41 And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full. [38] And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish? [39] And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. [40] And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? [41] And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?

John 5:3-8 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. [4] For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. [5] And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. [6] When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? [7] The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. [8] Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.

Pretty clear He has got it.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I do see what you are saying about difference in Jeremiah 15:3 And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the Lord : the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.

And even when Paul said to put that evil one without the body for the destruction of the flesh, that he might be saved. But yet also ‘give place to wrath, for vengeance belongs to the Lord, I will repay’ He said. As you pointed out ‘according to His will’ Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Disagree in it not being all connected, even passage from the OT as it all unfolds to shows vengeance belongs to Him and how much so.

Isaiah 57:19-21 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord ; and I will heal him. [20] But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt. [21] There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

Psalm 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.

Mark 4:37-41 And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full. [38] And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish? [39] And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. [40] And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? [41] And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?

John 5:3-8 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. [4] For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. [5] And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. [6] When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? [7] The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. [8] Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.

Pretty clear He has got it.

Consider that troubled sea and His ‘peace, be still’ ...the waves thereof arise and thou stillest them. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-7 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; [7] And to you who are troubled rest (be still) with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

Love Psalm 23:1-2 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. [2] He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

 

[farouk]

Consider that troubled sea and His ‘peace, be still’ ...the waves thereof arise and thou stillest them. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-7 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; [7] And to you who are troubled rest (be still) with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

Love Psalm 23:1-2 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. [2] He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

@VictoryinJesus You must be very blessed day by day when you mediate on such lovely, assuring Scripture verses.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus You must be very blessed day by day when you mediate on such lovely, assuring Scripture verses.

Give us day by day our daily bread. Luke 11:3

You are peculiar @farouk. A blessing and encouragement to others here. Always thinking of others.

 

[DNB]

I do see what you are saying about difference in Jeremiah 15:3 And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the Lord : the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.

And even when Paul said to put that evil one without the body for the destruction of the flesh, that he might be saved. But yet also ‘give place to wrath, for vengeance belongs to the Lord, I will repay’ He said. As you pointed out ‘according to His will’ Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Disagree in it not being all connected, even passage from the OT as it all unfolds to shows vengeance belongs to Him and how much so.

Isaiah 57:19-21 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the Lord ; and I will heal him. [20] But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt. [21] There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

Psalm 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.

Mark 4:37-41 And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full. [38] And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish? [39] And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. [40] And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? [41] And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?

John 5:3-8 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. [4] For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. [5] And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. [6] When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? [7] The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. [8] Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.

Pretty clear He has got it.

But as I said VIJ, the executor is not connected at all, but the orchestrator is. Was I not clear on that?

 

[farouk]

Give us day by day our daily bread. Luke 11:3

You are peculiar @farouk. A blessing and encouragement to others here. Always thinking of others.

@VictoryinJesus YW. Not sure what you mean by 'peculiar'...:)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus YW. Not sure what you mean by 'peculiar'...:)

Rare, unique...just saying it is refreshing and appreciated. :)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

But as I said VIJ, the executor is not connected at all, but the orchestrator is. Was I not clear on that?

No, sorry, it is not clear. I wish it was but it is not. But do agree with ‘the orchestrator is’. (If I understood you correctly there.)

 

[DNB]

No, sorry, it is not clear. I wish it was but it is not. But do agree with ‘the orchestrator is’. (If I understood you correctly there.)

God is the orchestrator, so, of course, all vindication and revenge is ordained by Him. But, of course, the execution of His will is effectuated by a myriad of other beings. And, these other beings, are not be necessity, nor historically, connected in any degree to each other. Some were saints, some were pagans, some were prophets and kings, some shepherd, some ordinary Israelites, etc...

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Still today in a world so uncertain, so unstable ...does He not speak of something stable? A foundation which stands? James 1:2-8 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; (God knows how to deliver His children out of temptation) (Hebrews 2:18)Knowing this, that the trying (trial)of your faith worketh patience. [4] But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. [5] If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. [6] But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. [7] For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.(the natural man receives not the things of the Lord) [8] A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

For he that wavers is like a wave of the sea...yet consider Paul speaking of trouble and the call to you who are troubled ‘rest with us’ ...to be still in the midst of trouble. Stable instead of unstable. In the NT it speaks of: the seas will roar ...then to ‘be not afraid’. Psalm 89:9 Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.

Daniel 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

God is the orchestrator, so, of course, all vindication and revenge is ordained by Him. But, of course, the execution of His will is effectuated by a myriad of other beings. And, these other beings, are not be necessity, nor historically, connected in any degree to each other. Some were saints, some were pagans, some were prophets and kings, some shepherd, some ordinary Israelites, etc...

See how it can apply to today as well as then. OT, NT, with the Apostles, yet current ...in being deceived or lead away by anything ‘false’ or deception.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Matthew 27:63-64 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. [64] Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error (deception)shall be worse than the first.

2 Peter 2:18-20 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in (deception)error. [19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. [20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end (deception)is worse with them than the beginning.

1 John 4:5-7 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. [6] We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of (deception)error..

Matthew 27:64 Lexicon: "Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, otherwise His disciples may come and steal Him away and say to the people, 'He has risen from the dead,' and the last deception will be worse than the first."

Strong's Greek: 4106. πλάνη (plané) -- a wandering

A wandering, deceit, delusion, sin. A departure from God resulting in wandering (roaming into sin)
Matthew 12:43-45 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. [44] Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. [45] Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state (deception)of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

 

[DNB]

See how it can apply to today as well as then. OT, NT, with the Apostles, yet current ...in being deceived or lead away by anything ‘false’ or deception.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Matthew 27:63-64 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. [64] Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error (deception)shall be worse than the first.

2 Peter 2:18-20 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in (deception)error. [19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. [20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end (deception)is worse with them than the beginning.

1 John 4:5-7 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. [6] We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of (deception)error..

Matthew 27:64 Lexicon: "Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, otherwise His disciples may come and steal Him away and say to the people, 'He has risen from the dead,' and the last deception will be worse than the first."

Strong's Greek: 4106. πλάνη (plané) -- a wandering

A wandering, deceit, delusion, sin. A departure from God resulting in wandering (roaming into sin)
Matthew 12:43-45 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. [44] Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. [45] Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state (deception)of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Well, I imagine that on a less dramatic scale, such things occur every day. I do believe that God's providence still consists of Him intervening in all people's lives, saints or sinners, potential converts or the reprobate. And He equally allows one or the other to inflict vindication upon the object of His discipline.
I'm not sure where you are going with deception?