The Purpose of the Law

[justbyfaith]

So, how do we explain this...
KJV Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

If God's promises were faultless, then whose promises did he find fault with which necessitated a new covenant based on better promises?

Obviously He is saying that the former covenant was inferior in some way.

 

[Giuliano]

What “ I” say is as insignificant as what “you” say...... Got That?)

I got it. I stopped reading your post at this point and will be putting you on ignore.

 

[justbyfaith]

I got it. I stopped reading your post at this point and will be putting you on ignore.

Oh...Oh...put me on Ignore too.

Because I really do agree with the premise of being "Blood Bought"

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I see you like using the term 'weak and useless' when referring to God's Law; dismissing the context in which it was said even asserting that Paul is on your side in putting the Law down. Your error can hardly be worse.
Your efforts serve only to highlight a very poor understanding of both Paul and the Law. Your attempts at joining the dots results only in a scrambled picture.

Keep in mind that a time is coming where you will need to give account of all your words where you will discover that 'bearing false witness' has anything but been done away with, let alone weak and useless.

If I get into Trouble on Judgement Day for calling the Law “ useless”, I will be in Good Company—- Jesus said it first . He then told Paul to tell us—- Paul wrote Nothing that was NOT Holy Spirit inspired and told to him by Jesus, unless Paul says otherwise.....You can have the Law that Paul said “ he nor his fathers could not keep”, the Law that actually causes sin to INCREASE , the Law that has NO Power to Save and I will go with God’s Way Of handling Sin——GRACE ALONE. I want Sin to “ decrease “, not to “ increase”....... I will go out on a limb here—- I bet you want to Sin decrease also— you have just been badly taught and don’t know how to go about it God’s Way: Resting in His Grace, Knowing you can NEVER be damned because you Trust in the Gospel of “ Grace Plus Nothing” for your Salvation. Getting one’s Anxiety- producing, Performance-Based Salvation off one’s shoulders Spurs Love .....Love Spurs Obedience ....an Obedience that comes Naturally from an Indwelling Holy Spirit....You have to live it to understand it, I have discovered.....May God help you to understand.....

 

[Brakelite]

Wow, didn't see that before. He found fault with Israel, didn't He?

Yes. The fault was in their promise to obey Him in everything. God didn't ask them to promise anything. It's all by faith... Even then.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I got it. I stopped reading your post at this point and will be putting you on ignore.

Apparently the boy could dish it out to me, but could not take it himself.....who said with disrespect “ Got It ? “ first?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Yes. The fault was in their promise to obey Him in everything. God didn't ask them to promise anything. It's all by faith... Even then.

AMEN!! Just like today, people have a choice that they Must go with....Law or Grace...Succinct, but Brilliant Post by Backlit.....Thank you, Discerning Brother!

 

[quietthinker]

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Because that covenant was imperfect.

How was it imperfect?

 

[mjrhealth]

Grace is not a license to sin,

Thats legalism, no one ever had a licence to sin, but that is how so many try justify there position, if you do not sin, you must keep the whole law, do you keep the law perfect as He did.?? if you do not than you are no different to the rest of us, Justified in Christ, not by our works but by faith so none can boast. How we love to boast, "look at me God im not like all those other sinners", we know who is Justified.

 

[quietthinker]

Getting one’s Anxiety- producing, Performance-Based Salvation off one’s shoulders Spurs Love .....Love Spurs Obedience ....an Obedience that comes Naturally from an Indwelling Holy Spirit

There's the rub....thinking in terms of 'anxiety producing, performance based'.....so this is how you see God's Laws?
but you speak of obedience?? Where does the Spirit inspire you to if it is not doing what is pleasing in his sight ie, keeping his Law which you seem to think is beggarly and weak?
Why ever would God give us a Law that is beggarly and weak?

Imagine you insisted that your kids help with the dishes, make their beds, keep their rooms in order and then told your friend of the beggarly and weak set of rules you had given them. In time it came to the children's attention what you had said to your friend. What would you imagine the opinion of your children would be not only of you but of your rules? Any reason for them to believe you won't have the same opinion about what you deem a better set of rules?....the great rule changer!......Is it possible they might come to the conclusion of, dang! if it feels good I'll do it, if it doesn't I won't.

 

[Brakelite]

Obviously He is saying that the former covenant was inferior in some way.

The fault wasn't in the covenant itself, it was with the people with whom the covenant was made. So the new covenant was based on better promises. What was that better promise? Back to Hebrews...
KJV Hebrews 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The first covenant was broken through disobedience by Israel. As hard as they tried, they failed. Good sent prophets and even His own Son, but Israel killed them all. They wanted to do things their own way. The sacrifices and temple services had become a ritualistic meaningless facade to cover gross hypocrisy and apostasy. But God's promises are sure, even though ours are like ropes of sand. Casting aside the poor ineffectual promises of man, God instituted a new covenant that excluded completely man's works, and made it clear that obedience is not only possible through His strength, for without Him nothing is impossible, and without Him we can do nothing, but also that obedience to His commandments does still affect our ultimate destiny, as Revelation is abundantly clear that those who do not obey His commandments are outside the gates of the kingdom.

 

[Brakelite]

AMEN!! Just like today, people have a choice that they Must go with....Law or Grace...Succinct, but Brilliant Post by Backlit.....Thank you, Discerning Brother!

No. The choice isn't between law and grace. It's between obedience or sin. Better righteousness or unrighteousness. Good and evil. How must I live? Then the choice is in how do I obey? Can I live a sanctified holy committed consecrated life in which I am truly loving God with all my heart, soul, mind and body, and loving my neighbor as myself? Can I? And the answer is a resounding yes! Because that is why Jesus came... To save the people from their sins. The question is how?
And the answer is through being fully converted, fully surrendered, having the mind of Christ and being sanctified by truth. We are predestined to become the image of Christ. That's our destiny, and it's available now. To live in full compliance and obedience to all God's commandments.
Who in Christianity comes under fire the most? Those who proclaim righteousness, or those who proclaim it doesn't matter?

KJV Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[mjrhealth]

There's the rub....thinking in terms of 'anxiety producing, performance based'.....so this is how you see God's Laws?
but you speak of obedience?? Where does the Spirit inspire you to if it is not doing what is pleasing in his sight ie, keeping his Law which you seem to think is beggarly and weak?
Why ever would God give us a Law that is beggarly and weak?

Imagine you insisted that your kids help with the dishes, make their beds, keep their rooms in order and then told your friend of the beggarly and weak set of rules you had given them. In time it came to the children's attention what you had said to your friend. What would you imagine the opinion of your children would be not only of you but of your rules? Any reason for them to believe you won't have the same opinion about what you deem a better set of rules?....the great rule changer!......Is it possible they might come to the conclusion of, dang! if it feels good I'll do it, if it doesn't I won't.

Are you the perfect christian?? I have never met one, and except for Christ I doubt God will ever find one though thy may believe they are, we will stand before God righteous because of Christ, not because of what we do?? It is not Gods grace that is limited , it is men who Limit Gods grace and "demand' Perfection, we are made perfect in Him,. no man will stand before God and boast, it would truly be a foolish thing to do.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Thats legalism, no one ever had a licence to sin, but that is how so many try justify there position, if you do not sin, you must keep the whole law, do you keep the law perfect as He did.?? if you do not than you are no different to the rest of us, Justified in Christ, not by our works but by faith so none can boast. How we love to boast, "look at me God im not like all those other sinners", we know who is Justified.

So if you feel like murdering someone, and have faith Jesus will forgive you, can you go ahead and murder that person?

 

[Enoch111]

So if you feel like murdering someone, and have faith Jesus will forgive you, can you go ahead and murder that person?

Some people have this motto" "Let us do evil that good may come".

 

[CharismaticLady]

Some people have this motto" "Let us do evil that good may come".

Yes, that was the sin of the Nicolaitans.

 

[Enoch111]

If I get into Trouble on Judgement Day for calling the Law “ useless”, I will be in Good Company—- Jesus said it first

That is absolute nonsense. Here is what Jesus said:

MATTHEW 5: CHRIST CAME TO FULFIL THE LAW
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[justbyfaith]

How was it imperfect?

In that it did not have the power to impart life (Galatians 3:21). In that it was weak and unprofitable and made nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:18-19).

 

[mjrhealth]

So if you feel like murdering someone, and have faith Jesus will forgive you, can you go ahead and murder that person?

If that is what you would do, than maybe you shouldnt, but than not everyone is like you, You do now teh law was made for bad people, so therefore are you bad.

 

[quietthinker]

In that it did not have the power to impart life (Galatians 3:21). In that it was weak and unprofitable and made nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:18-19).

It was not intended to have power anymore than when a rule you might make for your child to keep their room clean . If the child doesn't or won't keep the room clean do you blame your rule?