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Who defines the manuscripts you use when you leave the KJV reservation?

Do you trust them explicitly as they contradict or redefine the KJV, or do you do your own personal translating as an ancient Greek translator?
Who defines manuscripts?

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Is it what you are saying that the KJV is the one trustworthy translation, accurate in every way? I mean, it's my preferred version, but I do recognize that it's a translation, and some things have been learned about the languages since then, and some other things weren't really translated, instead, the desired words were inserted, such as "bishop", for one example.

Right?
 

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Like when Jesus was made by a divinely created sperm cell to mate with Mary's egg cell, creating both the son of God and the son of man(David).
Rather, a body for Jesus was created in Mary's womb. Not everyone thinks that Mary supplied on ovum. But it's easier to argue if you treat us all as if we do I suppose.

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Who defines manuscripts?

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Is it what you are saying that the KJV is the one trustworthy translation, accurate in every way? I mean, it's my preferred version, but I do recognize that it's a translation, and some things have been learned about the languages since then, and some other things weren't really translated, instead, the desired words were inserted, such as "bishop", for one example.

Right?
The fact is, the farther we get from a dead language, the less we know.

Just imagine how accurate these "scholars" will be in 500 years...LOL
 

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Rather, a body for Jesus was created in Mary's womb. Not everyone thinks that Mary supplied on ovum. But it's easier to argue if you treat us all as if we do I suppose.

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You don't think Jesus was the son of man(Mary) or the son of David?

Why?
 

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Jesus was not the seed of Abraham either?
 

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First thanks for the reply, second, that's not a TRINITY, let us prove it. "And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me".

ok Eternally Grateful, is the Lord God here in Isaiah 48:16, the Father? YES or NO

your move, meaning your answer. ..... (smile).

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Well if the son was sent (and it was) who sent him?

he did not send himself
 
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Well if the son was sent (and it was) who sent him?

he did not send himself
no, he came. but let prove who the Lord God is, NOTICE "Lord" God, Not "LORD" God.

listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

notice Eternally Grateful, someone sent "HIS" angel correct, lets see who sent his angel, for the Angel himself clearly tells us who sent him in Revelation 22:6 listen, "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." it was the Lord God of .... the holy prophets, indicating the OT God as well as the NT. so, let's see exactly who this Lord God is who sent his angel? while you're in Revelation chapter 22, READ Revelation 22:16 and see who sent his angel. and when you know that then you will know who the "Lord" God is that sent his angel. and then Go back to Isaiah 48:16 and tell us who is the Lord God?.

thanks for the reply.

PICJAG.
 

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...and some other things weren't really translated, instead, the desired words were inserted, such as "bishop", for one example.
What makes you think *bishop* is not the correct translation for the Greek word episkopos (Latin episcopus) which means overseer?

bishop (n.)
Old English bisceop "bishop, high priest (Jewish or pagan)," from Late Latin episcopus, from Greek episkopos "watcher, (spiritual) overseer," a title for various government officials, later taken over in a Church sense, from epi- "over" (see epi-) + skopos "one that watches, one that looks after; a guardian, protector" (from PIE root *spek- "to observe"). Given a specific sense in the Church, but the word also was used in the New Testament as a descriptive title for elders, and continues as such in some non-hierarchical Christian sects.

A curious example of word-change, as effected by the genius of different tongues, is furnished by the English bishop and the French évêque. Both are from the same root, furnishing, perhaps the only example of two words from a common stem so modifying themselves in historical times as not to have a letter in common. (Of course many words from a far off Aryan stem are in the same condition.) The English strikes off the initial and terminal syllables, leaving only piscop, which the Saxon preference for the softer labial and hissing sounds modified into bishop. Évêque (formerly evesque) merely softens the p into v and drops the last syllable. [William S. Walsh, "Handy-Book of Literary Curiosities," Philadelphia, J.B. Lippincott, 1892]

Late Latin episcopus in Spanish became obispo, in Italian vescovo, in Welsh esgob. The Germanic forms include Old Saxon biscop, Old High German biscof. Further afield it became Lithuanian vyskupas, Albanian upeshk, Finnish piispa. A once-popular pun on it was bite-sheep (1550s, also in German, biss-schaf). The chess piece (formerly archer, before that alfin) was so called from 1560s.

As we can see there is a lot of (1) misinformation, (2) disinformation and (3) pure propaganda against the King James Bible. Christians should simply ignore all that an stick with the tried and true English Bible which has lasted for over 400 years.

It should be noted that in the New Testament, the shepherds of the flocks had three designations: (1) elder for spiritual maturity and qualifications, (2) pastor for the gift of feeding and tending the sheep, and (3) bishop, for the gift of the oversight of the church. Originally, all elders were bishops, and all bishops were elders, and there was no one outside the local church to oversee the overseers, who were directly responsible to Christ.
 

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no, he came. but let prove who the Lord God is, NOTICE "Lord" God, Not "LORD" God.

listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

notice Eternally Grateful, someone sent "HIS" angel correct, lets see who sent his angel, for the Angel himself clearly tells us who sent him in Revelation 22:6 listen, "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." it was the Lord God of .... the holy prophets, indicating the OT God as well as the NT. so, let's see exactly who this Lord God is who sent his angel? while you're in Revelation chapter 22, READ Revelation 22:16 and see who sent his angel. and when you know that then you will know who the "Lord" God is that sent his angel. and then Go back to Isaiah 48:16 and tell us who is the Lord God?.

thanks for the reply.

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The lord God, and his spirit sent him

he did not send himself. I thought you wanted a sincere discussion? It was not an angel that was sent read the passage it was the one who laid the foundations of the earth and stretched the heavens.
 

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The OP verses are summarily ignored by Christendom's teachers.

I think they should be he pivotal verses to all Godhead teaching.

We must include Jesus' God in all Godhead conversation instead of ignoring these verses.

The world is watching us....

God is His Own God.

Glory to God,
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The lord God, and his spirit sent him

he did not send himself. I thought you wanted a sincere discussion? It was not an angel that was sent read the passage it was the one who laid the foundations of the earth and stretched the heavens.
first thanks for the reply. second, I do. did you not find out who the Lord God is? answer Jesus. he did, come, and was sent by the ordinal first. this is wht you don't understand. see, by coming he is sent to finish HIS "own" work. did you not read? I come in the volume written of ME?. scripture, who came, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

who came?, remember there's only ONE GOD

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the Lord God is JESUS, and Isaiah 48:16 states, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, (JESUS), and his Spirit, hath sent me."

lets examine this scripture, if Jesus is the Lord God, according to Revelation 22:6 and Revelation 22:16, then many have a problem. not really, but if you believe in the trinity you have a problem. for the Lord God is "JESUS". yes you do who believe in three in one ... have a big problem.

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You have been promoting this MODALISTIC HERETICAL NONSENSE for a very long time. It is about time you learned and held to the proper understanding of the Godhead. And you really have no excuse, since there has been much presented on this subject.

1. God the Father is neither the Son nor the Holy Spirit
2. God the Son is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit
3. God the Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son


These are three DISTINCT DIVINE PERSONS in ONE Godhead.

I would say the Lord God Almighty IS One God, who
IS the Father.

IS the Son.
IS the Holy Spirit.

I do not subscribe to the rest you have stated.

Glory to God,
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Why not? Do you confuse and confound the three persons of the Godhead?
there is no three persons in the Godhead? how about the Isaiah 44:24 and John 1:3 question. is this not the same person? yes or No.

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Why not? Do you confuse and confound the three persons of the Godhead?

I do not believe God is a created human/ person, and certainly not 3 persons.


Person-
a human being regarded as an individual.

Are you also 3 person's?

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the trinitarian believers need to really question their doctrine that they are following. if it's not of the Lord Jesus the Christ, (Which it is not), why keep on following a man made doctrine that do not line up with the Word of God? examine your doctrine.

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Fact is, God is inside Jesus' omnipresent body now, qualifying Jesus as his inner God by default.

This happened to Jesus' human spirit after his God resurrected it(him) from the dead.

I don't think God did anything by default.
 

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Is Jesus the “God” referred to at Hebrews 1:8?

No. The weight of the evidence indicates that it is Jehovah. According to the NWT Hebrews 1:8 says: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your [the Son’s] throne forever and ever.’” This shows that Jesus’ throne, his office or authority as a sovereign, has its source in Jehovah the Almighty God.

However, believers in the Trinity prefer the KJV which renders Hebrews 1:8 this way: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.” Thus, they feel that Jesus is shown to be the same as Almighty God. Why is this not correct?

First, note the context. In many translations, either in the main text or in the margin, Hebrews 1:9 reads, “God, your God, anointed you.” This makes it clear that the one addressed in verse eight is not God, but one who worships God and is anointed by him.

Secondly, it should be noted that Hebrews 1:8,9 is a quotation from Psalm 45: 6,7 which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Surely the writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God and neither did the writer of Hebrews think that Jesus was Almighty God. Commenting on this, scholar B. F. Westcott said: “It is scarcely possible that אלוהים [‘Elo·himʹ, “God”] in the original can be addressed to the king. . . . Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God.’”

With good reason, therefore, the New World Translation and a number of other translations render Hebrews 1:8 as, “God is your throne.” check the Bibles: An American Translation, Moffatt; also in the margin of the American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version, The New English Bible.This makes it clear that the “Son,” Jesus Christ, has a God who is higher than he is.
Those who many say are heretics and cultists that attack the Trinity and the diety of Christ are those who believe the Only Begotten Son is the Word. They believe it was the Only Begotten Son who became human John 1:14 and died for the sins of the world of mankind.
Those who make the statement, "this is the Mystery of God, and the Father, and of Christ." We all should ask ourselves is God a Mystery? What I mean by that is if the Trinity Doctrine were true and in God word would it be beyond our understanding. Doesn't it speak out against the scriptures when someone says the scriptures or a scripture or a set of scriptures are a Mystery and beyond our understanding? Doesn't that go against the scripture 2 Timothy 3:16,17 which says: All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
Now the scriptures give us many details about as a person, about his qualities and how he deals with mankind. But it also explains that his wisdom and intelligence are beyond human understanding. That's why the prophet Isaiah was inspired to write at Isaiah 55:8,9 that God's ways and thoughts rare much higher than man. So I can understand that full knowledge of God is in some respects beyond our limited understanding. However the doctrines of many churches go beyond the limits of these simple observations.

First, many books acknowledge, as does The New Encyclopedia Britannica, that “neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament.

The Bible contains enough information for us to worship God in the way acceptable to him. Far from teaching a Trinity, it very clearly reveals the supremacy of Jehovah and the subordinate position of Jesus. For example, Jesus said: “The Father is greater than I am.” John 14:28; 1 Corinthians 15:28 The Bible also indicates that the holy spirit is God’s active force, which directs his faithful servants.

When speaking with a Samaritan woman, Jesus showed that in order for someone to please God, he must worship Him “with spirit and truth.” He added that “the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him.” John 4:21-24 It is up to each one of us to search for this accurate knowledge that will bring us blessings if we rely on God’s Word rather than accept man-made, mysterious traditions that betray it.
 
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