Shall we discuss this?

[Taken]

the trinitarian believers need to really question their doctrine that they are following. if it's not of the Lord Jesus the Christ, (Which it is not), why keep on following a man made doctrine that do not line up with the Word of God? examine your doctrine.

PICJAG

I believe describing God as a TRINITY is accurate....Same as it is accurate to describe an Earthly man.

TRI- three
INITY- unified

* Man was "Created AND MADE" in the Likeness and Image of God.

* what IS LIKENESS and IMAGE?
SIMILITUDE

* what IS Gods LIKENESS and IMAGE?
Likeness -
Good
Holy/Sinless
Righteous/Truth
Lasting Life/ Alive

Man was Created - a Form from dust.
...Man called Good
Man was Made Alive - soul - Gods Breath
...Man was called Living without Taint/ Holy
Man was being Fed Gods Truth -
...Righteousness without Lie
Man was Given a Lasting Life- with warning-
Man could Lose that Gift of Lasting Life, fully Dependant upon ON the man's Willful choices.

Image- (debated and philosophized by men for centuries)
External / Outer Appearence "Only"?
* a Body? Mouth? Eyes? Legs? Hands? Feet? Nose? Face? Ears?
^ those things are all attributed TO God IN Scripture, as well as attributed to man.

Man is Physical. God is Spirit.
* Mouth of man, brings forth man's speech
* Eyes of man, brings in man sight.
* Nose of man, brings in smell.
* Body of man, brings in / sends out touch
* Ears of man, brings in sound
* Tongue of man, brings taste

Man's 6 Basic Senses. ^
Speech, Sight, Smell, Touch, Hears, Taste

The Form/ Body/ Shape of man- Expressly of the Earth's Dust.
The Senses, Expressly "imparted" IN a man, By God Breath, a Soul.
(God Expressly HAS A Soul) Ezek 18:4
(All souls Expressly Belong to God) Ezek 18:4
(All souls, having been IN a Body or Departed OUT of the Body "ARE Living").Luke 16:22-31

God Expressly:
Speaks, Sees, Smells, Touches, Hears, Tastes
Man Expressly:
Speaks, Sees, Smells, Touches, Hears, Tastes

Similitude.

Different:
Man "REQUIRES": (God Does Not)
* Mouth, Vocal chords TO Speak.
* Eyes, TO See.
* Nose, TO Smell.
* Skin, TO Give, Receive Touch
* Ears, TO Hear
* Tongue, TO Taste

Mans Likeness and Image of God...
God is Good.
God is Living.
Mankind-Created Good...from dust; Form
Mankind-Made Living...Gods Breath; Soul

Mankind- willfully FELL AWAY- From Good
Mankind- willfully FELL AWAY- From Living

Mankind's Seed, reproduces a Fallen man.
Mankind's Seed, reproduces a Man that Shall Die.

Gods Offering-
Forgiveness- wholly- body, soul, spirit of man
Restoration- soul of man, via Gods Authority
Newness- body of man, via Gods Power
Newness- spirit of man, via Gods Seed

Result?
Man Transformed into Gods LIKENESS and IMAGE.

Form we do not yet know, it's Shape.
Speech, Only Good and Holy.
Sight, Only Good and Holy.
Smell, Only Good and Holy.
Touch, Only Good and Holy.
Hearing, Only Good and Holy.
Taste, Only Good and Holy.

"Likeness is on the Inside."
"Image: man attempts to limit to the outer visible man's Seeing eye of a form, shape, body, photo, sculpture, copy, etc.
" Gods IMAGE is A Reflection of His Inside"
" Natural Man's Natural Image is a Reflection of His Inside"

A Forgiven, Restored, Changed man"...
IS Both in the Likeness AND Image of God.

That IS Accounted IN Gods Record, His Books.

A Forgiven, Restored, Changed man"...
Absolutely Can Be "Toward God"...
Good Toward God.
A Reflection of God.


It is mankinds Struggle, Hurdles, Triumphs, and Failures..."Toward Other men"
To be in the Likeness and Image of God.

Man can ONLY ever be A Reflection of God.
Mankind Can Not, Does NOT Become God.

God has the Power to APPEAR in the "LIKENESS" as a man.
God CAN Never APPEAR in the "IMAGE" of man.

Scripture is Clear...
Jesus Appeared in the "Likeness" AS a man.
Jesus IS the "Image" of God.

Man "only" understanding an IMAGE, as a Bodily Form, confounds the understanding.

Gods IMAGE is His alone. His Absolute Light, VOID of Any Darkness. His Glory.
Man can Never Have His Glory.
Gods WAY...is TO Give A Reflection of His Glory to Shine UPON a man, To MAKE man Appear in His Image.

(It's a similar concept with the moon. The moon has no light of its own. But yet it Appears lit. The light upon the moon Can been seen.
The moon Appearing and seen on the outside as Light...is an outer Image...seen...IS Expressly by the SUN shinning UPON the moon).

Glory to ONE Lord God Almighty,
Taken

 

[Truther]

I don't think God did anything by default.

It's basically 2 points of view.

Y'all teach God became a baby(man).

I teach a man was made God(33 years later).

In both cases, Jesus is God, but my idea is Biblically sensible.

 

[Truther]

Nonsense. Jesus wasn't created, ever.

Did Jesus have a God?

 

[Truther]

God is His Own God.

Glory to God,
Taken

Rather, God is Jesus' God.

The world is watching.

 

[Renniks]

Did Jesus have a God?

He is God, the third member of the Trinity

 

[Truther]

He is God, the third member of the Trinity

So the 2nd member of God has a God?

...The 3rd member is His God?

Is the 2nd member the God of the 3rd member too, since they are co-equal?

 

[Renniks]

the trinitarian believers need to really question their doctrine that they are following. if it's not of the Lord Jesus the Christ, (Which it is not), why keep on following a man made doctrine that do not line up with the Word of God? examine your doctrine.

PICJAG

Only it does line up with the Word of God. Jesus being a created being does not. Do you not understand what claiming to be equal with the father means? For any created being to do that would be blasphemy.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all
First thanks for the reply, second, we disagree with the assessment of three. and here's why. the bible, not 101G, but the bible, God himself, says that he is a "DIVERSITY" of himself in flesh, which is clearly describe as the "ANOTHER" of One's OWNself. just as the woman is ANOTHER of the Man/Adam, the woman came from the Man, like wise the ordinal Last comes from the ordinal FIRST who is one person that sent him. what many christian don't understand is this. God is the G243 allos of his OWNself. one person Numerically different. listen to the definition of G243 Allos. "Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort"

a numerical difference is 1... 2, or Father, (1), ordinal First. and , Son, (2), ordinal Last. or, (1), Beginning, (2), End. or (1) Alpha, (2) Omega. see the pattern now?
the term "ANOTHER" answers the Godhead. the Lord JESUS is "ANOTHER" of his OWNself in flesh. understand the three TITLES,

the Epithet of God is "Holy Spirit", this is what God is in character..... Holy, and Spirit is his NATURE. now this, the one "Holy Spirit" holds two titles because he's the G243 of himself, manifested in flesh. and those titles are, a. "Father", without flesh, and b. "Son" with flesh. again the pattern a numerical of TWO from only one. follow the pattern now?.

let's clearly see this "ANOTHER" of God in scripture. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

clearly without a doube this is the Lord Jesus as the Holy Ghost. the term "Another" here in verse 16 is G243 allos. why? because he is the comforter now in flesh and blood. how do we know this? scripture, Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him."

what do the word "consolation" means? it's the Greek word G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870

see definition #1. one who gives help is a .... "Helper". BINGO, the Holy Ghost/Spirit is the "Helper". here the Holy Ghost/Spirit is in flesh, hence the word, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis. also our Lord in flesh is to give "counsel", according to definition #2. he a "Counsellor" as Isaiah 9:6 clearly states, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." there's that Counsellor in flesh as a babe.
and as definition #3 above states, he's a "COMFORT", who who gives "Comfort" is a "COMFORTER" BINGO. and the Holy Spirit is the "COMFORTER". now that's in NATURAL FLESH, what about the Lord Jesus as the Comforter in glorified flesh, and is glorified in Spirit as John 17:5 " And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". now, lets check the record in John 14:21 and see him as the "Comforter" to come. "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." the Lord Jesus said if a man keep his commandments and love him he would MANIFEST himself to him, and Judas not Iscariot asked the billion, plus trillion dollar, question as to how the Lord JESUS would MANIFEST himself to them. listen what Judas asked, John 14:22 "Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?"

well ladies and gentlemens the bible tells us exacitly how he manifested to them.
Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place."
Acts 2:2 "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting."
Acts 2:3 "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them."
Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." BINGO, he MANIFESTED in the Spiritual Gifts.

THIS IS HOW THE LORD JESUS "MANIFESTED" HIMSELF TO THEM. Remember what Jesus said, and Judas asked, listen, John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
John 14:22 "Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?".
The world didn't see the Holy Ghost, Jesus, because he is Spirit, THAT WAS SENT FROM ..... HIMSELF, (Side note: who sent "me" in Isaiah 48:16), and his glorified body was in heaven, present being ... "MEDIATOR", which leads us to our next clue as to show Jesus is the Holy Spirit "shared" in flesh. listen, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
what do "advocate " here means? lets see,
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

in definition #1, there's that "help" or "helper" again....
and definition #3 just tells us out right that the Lord Jesus is the "COMFORTER" and in John 14:16 Jesus is the "ANOTHER" Comforter, now in Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

if one cannot see this now, that Jesus is the Holy Spirit, one have to be "DEAD", Spiritually that is. ain't no way around this. the evidence is staring one right in the eyes. but if you're DEAD, then as the Lord Jesus said, "let the DEAD bury the DEAD". AWAKE to righteousness, and LIVE.

PICJAG.

PS, There are many revelation in just this one post.

 

[Truther]

Only it does line up with the Word of God. Jesus being a created being does not. Do you not understand what claiming to be equal with the father means? For any created being to do that would be blasphemy.

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Who was made?

Who then, obtained a name?

 

[Renniks]

So the 2nd member of God has a God?

...The 3rd member is His God?

Is the 2nd member the God of the 3rd member too, since they are co-equal?

How can you claim God was created? That's absurd. And now you have two separate gods, one that always existed and one that didn't....nothing biblical about it.

 

[101G]

Only it does line up with the Word of God. Jesus being a created being does not. Do you not understand what claiming to be equal with the father means? For any created being to do that would be blasphemy.

first thanks for the reply, second, Jesus is not CREATED, he's the CREATOR.

well Jesus told the JEWS he was the son of God, and they claim blasphemy and was in ERROR, just as you now make the same error in blasphemy.

if you like you may state your case.

the floor is your.

PICJAG.

 

[Truther]

How can you claim God was created? That's absurd. And now you have two separate gods, one that always existed and one that didn't....nothing biblical about it.

God was not created or made. His son was made....

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.



Then God resurrected him, and fully indwelled him bodily with all that his God consists of(Col 2:9), making him God by default.

Now God governs the universe THROUGH the body of His created son.

 

[marks]

What makes you think *bishop* is not the correct translation for the Greek word episkopos (Latin episcopus) which means overseer?

You just said yourself, the word translates "overseer". So isn't that what should appear? That's what I think at least. Using "Bishop" is to substitute an otherwise used ecclesiatical term for the translation. So instead of reading "overseer", a translation, it reads "Bishop".

Much love!

 

[Taken]

Rather, God is Jesus' God.

The world is watching.

No...not "rather".

You can not in Truth Separate God from Himself.

God IS Jesus' God.
God IS His Own God.
The Father, Son, Holy Spirit IS God)
(And God provides a WAY for God to be mankind's God)

God has Purposed IN Himself...
The Father, Son, Spirit, As He establishes How and in what Manners God Reveales Himself TO mankind.

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath Purposed in himself:

He creates, makes, declares, promises, swears unto Himself what He swears... Shall come to pass.

Isa 45:
[23] I have sworn by myself...

Gen 6:
[13] ...God ...could swear by no greater, he swear by himself...

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Enoch111]

You just said yourself, the word translates "overseer". So isn't that what should appear?

You saw the derivation of the word, so why are you still arguing about this? It could also have been transliterated if you wish to nit-pick.

 

[Renniks]

first thanks for the reply, second, Jesus is not CREATED, he's the CREATOR.

well Jesus told the JEWS he was the son of God, and they claim blasphemy and was in ERROR, just as you now make the same error in blasphemy.

if you like you may state your case.

the floor is your.

PICJAG.

I have no idea what your position is after reading this. You don't believe in the trinity but you believe Jesus was the Creator. Is that close?

 

[Renniks]

God was not created or made. His son was made....

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.



Then God resurrected him, and fully indwelled him bodily with all that his God consists of(Col 2:9), making him God by default.

Now God governs the universe THROUGH the body of His created son.

Just cut the doublespeak. Is Jesus God or isn't he?

 

[Enoch111]

I have no idea what your position is after reading this. You don't believe in the trinity but you believe Jesus was the Creator. Is that close?

No. He believes that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

 

[marks]

You saw the derivation of the word, so why are you still arguing about this? It could also have been transliterated if you wish to nit-pick.

I desire clarity and accuracy.

Anyway . . . if this to you is just argument . . .

 

[Renniks]

No. He believes that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

So when Jesus said he would go away but send the comforter, he would not really be going away at all. Well that's logical, lol.