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I don't get it. -- Everyone is approaching the problem "backwards".

You'll never build a house with imaginations. -- It'll have a STONE foundation; with standard 2x6 FRAMING; a BRICK exterior; and METAL roofing. BUT YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ALASKA PLAIN AND IT'S WINTER. -- So it'll be built out of SNOW.

MAYBE if one contemplated EACH of the Rev. 13 Beast attributes: SEVEN Heads; TEN Horns; TEN Diadems; LION Mouth; LEOPARD (actually TIGER) Body; and BEAR Feet; -- you'd be closer to KNOWING the identity of the Second Beast and solving the "calculation" simply validates that candidate.


-- It'll have "gingerbread" eaves, and a Pink/Turquoise paint scheme --.
Whew,
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I give you full control on this thread to teach us what you are constantly posting without any depth other than the same bait them and then leave them hanging....
Please expand on everything you have mentioned above.
 
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Please expand on everything you have mentioned above.

ABSOLUTELY, -- as I've done MULTIPLE TIMES in MULTIPLE TOPICS:

SEVEN HEADS -- using Dan. 2 & 7 combined:
1. Gold, Babylon
2. Silver, Medo/Persia
3. Bronze, Grecia
4. Iron, Roman
-- Clay, "Divided Kingdom"
-- 5. Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S.
-- 6. Bear, Russia
-- 7. Leopard (actually a TIGER), China
-- 8. Dreadful, United Nations -- the "eighth that was and is not" because has NO Populous, NO Geography, NO Army, etc.
TEN HORNS & TEN DIADEMS
Permanent Membership on the Security Council
1. U.S.
2. U.K.
3. France
4. Russia
5. China
NOMINATED to Permanent Membership on the Security Council
6. Germany -- Economic Power
7. Japan -- Economic Power
8. Brazil -- Regional Representative for S. America
9. Nigeria -- Regional Representative for Africa
10. India -- Regional Representative for the Near East
BEAST ATTRIBUTES
Mouth -- the Lion because the U.K./U.S. is proficient in Science, Technology, Trade, and Finance
Body -- the Leopard (actually a TIGER) because China has the world's largest population
Feet -- the Bear because Russia has the most land mass, 8M versus 3M each for Canada, the U.S., and China
Now, because we understand the STRUCTURE, all we have to do is find the World's Most Senior Political Statesman who's a Jew, -- Kissinger. So sum his name using the same WORLD'S LANGUAGE (English) technique we used to sum the word C O M P U T E R:

A=6
B=12
C=18
D=24 ... etc.​

And to confirm the premise, using our money for "PURCHASES", look at a UPC Barcode and discover two thin lines at the Beginning, two thin lines at the Middle, and two thin lines at the End, which are Registration Marks that if read properly accept the Product Identification between them! The two thin line represent the number "6" because in binary the number "6" is PERFECT because it's not a single "bit" (Stray Electron); it's not "All-ON"; and it's not "Alternating" -- which are ALL FAILURE MODES:

1. 0001 -- Stray electron
2. 0010 -- Stray electron
3. 0011 -- All ON
4. 0100 -- Stray electron
5. 0101 -- Alternating
6. 0110 -- PERFECT
7. 0111 -- Possibly indicating the TRINITY?!?​

And of course, the number "6" when hand counting is the two finger "Peace Sign", and the image is the circle of the earth with the two arms of the Cross broken down.


Anything else? :)
Bobby Jo
 
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I don't get it. -- Everyone is approaching the problem "backwards".

You'll never build a house with imaginations. -- It'll have a STONE foundation; with standard 2x6 FRAMING; a BRICK exterior; and METAL roofing. BUT YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ALASKA PLAIN AND IT'S WINTER. -- So it'll be built out of SNOW.

MAYBE if one contemplated EACH of the Rev. 13 Beast attributes: SEVEN Heads; TEN Horns; TEN Diadems; LION Mouth; LEOPARD (actually TIGER) Body; and BEAR Feet; -- you'd be closer to KNOWING the identity of the Second Beast and solving the "calculation" simply validates that candidate.


-- It'll have "gingerbread" eaves, and a Pink/Turquoise paint scheme --.
Whew,
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You will be proven wrong like the rest of them if you sensationalize the verses too much.

I can only assure you the historical based areas of the book of Rev like the RCC(originally the Roman empire), or the woman in Rev that the dragon chases(Israel) etc..

But I will not try to guess what many of the signs are with the future events, such as stated above.

For instance, in the 70's they were constantly talking about the "10 common market nations"...well, that blew up.

I learned my lesson along time ago to generalize the book.
 

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Although I have always appreciated your understanding of revelation I have always been somewhat concerned about your interpretation with regards to how things will unfold. Last year you predicted a range of events that would unfold in the autumn , those things didn’t happen. I remember you second guessing when their were the issues in the Middle East with the oil tankers.
Now you did predict a war, which kind of unfolded in a different way with this virus, but you presumed it would be a physical war between countries. Now I realise that you quote about ‘ coming out of her lest you face her plagues ect, but you are still where you are and not ‘ in your cabin ‘ yet is the world not facing a plague ! ( or have I been missing something ! )
Why should I believe your interpretation of the thermal war when you haven’t got the interpretations right with things you predicted last year. If we test the prophets by their predictions coming true or not, shouldn’t the same apply to what you have predicted?
Rita

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EXCELLENT OBSERVATION!!! -- One which I've already acknowledged and explained, but YOU RIGHTFULLY MUST DEMAND that explanation if you missed my previous posts. SMART GIRL!!

-- Scripture says that we "see through a glass darkly" and so what we do see sometimes captures the significant, but leaves out the details. And so I use the words "expect", "anticipate", "conclude", etc., to allow for the ambiguities of military logistics versus events. So let me provide the tangibles versus the extrapolations:

1. Dan. 11:40 describes that the U.S. (king of the "south") will attack "him", which could be any country in the world. And of course we might anticipate something in the Middle East, because Russia (the king of the "north") will come down; Iran will come across; and Lybia and ~Somolia~ will come up through Egypt to attack Israel. And Israel will use nuclear weapons over Meggido because international politics demand that no weapon be used over another's territory, so they must use them over their own territory.

2. Scripture does not suggest any Wuhan/China virus complications. As such, any specific "plague" can meet the depiction, so it's something I can't anticipate or provision for, although when the stores shelves were depleted I did bring some items down for our use.

3. After the attack on Israel, China will "spank" the Russians and the U.N. will "heal" that "mortal wound", which will allow Russia to participate in the final Global Thermonuclear War in which kings and rich men will use fallout shelters ("caves"), and people with radiation sickness will recover due to the powerful healing properties in our bodies such that "death will flee from us".

4. It took some 6 months for the U.S. with all it's air-lift and ship resources to deploy sufficient troops and equipment to Saudi Arabia in the 1991 FIRST "Desert Storm". As such it would seem appropriate that if we discern (using the Prophetic Psalms premise -- J.R. Church, "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms"), that working backwards from the Fall of 2021, it might take 3 months to restore a destroyed Russia; and another 4 months for China to "spank" Russia; and another 3 months for Russia and allies to attack Israel; -- and these are all optimistic. A more plausible time-line should DOUBLE those durations if not TRIPLE, and thus what could have happened in 2019 -- didn't.

5. So now all we can do is wait until we see some "spark" which will ignite the Middle East (presumably) and it could hinge on Lebanon's political upheaval or any number of circumstances including Syria, Iraq, shipping in the Persian Gulf, etc.​


But you're exactly correct that we MUST hold our Teachers and Prophets accountable for the tangibles, and to explain their extrapolations! -- BRILLIANTLY DONE!!!
Bobby Jo
 

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... cell phones that are held in your hand and raised to your head ...

... or Credit Card anti-fraud methods using established techniques such as the PALM SCAN, -- or if you've lost your right hand in an accident --, RETINAL SCAN.

Hmmmmmm,
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ABSOLUTELY, -- as I've done MULTIPLE TIMES in MULTIPLE TOPICS:

SEVEN HEADS -- using Dan. 2 & 7 combined:
1. Gold, Babylon
2. Silver, Medo/Persia
3. Bronze, Grecia
4. Iron, Roman
-- Clay, "Divided Kingdom"
-- 5. Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S.
-- 6. Bear, Russia
-- 7. Leopard (actually a TIGER), China
-- 8. Dreadful, United Nations -- the "eighth that was and is not" because has NO Populous, NO Geography, NO Army, etc.
TEN HORNS & TEN DIADEMS
Permanent Membership on the Security Council
1. U.S.
2. U.K.
3. France
4. Russia
5. China
NOMINATED to Permanent Membership on the Security Council
6. Germany -- Economic Power
7. Japan -- Economic Power
8. Brazil -- Regional Representative for S. America
9. Nigeria -- Regional Representative for Africa
10. India -- Regional Representative for the Near East
BEAST ATTRIBUTES
Mouth -- the Lion because the U.K./U.S. is proficient in Science, Technology, Trade, and Finance
Body -- the Leopard (actually a TIGER) because China has the world's largest population
Feet -- the Bear because Russia has the most land mass, 8M versus 3M each for Canada, the U.S., and China
Now, because we understand the STRUCTURE, all we have to do is find the World's Most Senior Political Statesman who's a Jew, -- Kissinger. So sum his name using the same WORLD'S LANGUAGE (English) technique we used to sum the word C O M P U T E R:

A=6
B=12
C=18
D=24 ... etc.​

And to confirm the premise, using our money for "PURCHASES", look at a UPC Barcode and discover two thin lines at the Beginning, two thin lines at the Middle, and two thin lines at the End, which are Registration Marks that if read properly accept the Product Identification between them! The two thin line represent the number "6" because in binary the number "6" is PERFECT because it's not a single "bit" (Stray Electron); it's not "All-ON"; and it's not "Alternating" -- which are ALL FAILURE MODES:

1. 0001 -- Stray electron
2. 0010 -- Stray electron
3. 0011 -- All ON
4. 0100 -- Stray electron
5. 0101 -- Alternating
6. 0110 -- PERFECT
7. 0111 -- Possibly indicating the TRINITY?!?​

And of course, the number "6" when hand counting is the two finger "Peace Sign", and the image is the circle of the earth with the two arms of the Cross broken down.


Anything else? :)
Bobby Jo
No this is perfect! Now here is what I am going to do...I will search the scriptures, research other theologians/scholars who are experts so to speak on Revelation and Daniel....and I will take it to Him in prayer.
I admit I am not that skilled on the Daniel and Revelation interpretations....but I have been reading OT books also related to Revelation....Jeremiah, Nehemiah, Isaiah and some others....they all provide keys to the book of Revelation.

Thanks Bobby Jo! I love studying new stuff!
 
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EXCELLENT OBSERVATION!!! -- One which I've already acknowledged and explained, but YOU RIGHTFULLY MUST DEMAND that explanation if you missed my previous posts. SMART GIRL!!

-- Scripture says that we "see through a glass darkly" and so what we do see sometimes captures the significant, but leaves out the details. And so I use the words "expect", "anticipate", "conclude", etc., to allow for the ambiguities of military logistics versus events. So let me provide the tangibles versus the extrapolations:

1. Dan. 11:40 describes that the U.S. (king of the "south") will attack "him", which could be any country in the world. And of course we might anticipate something in the Middle East, because Russia (the king of the "north") will come down; Iran will come across; and Lybia and ~Somolia~ will come up through Egypt to attack Israel. And Israel will use nuclear weapons over Meggido because international politics demand that no weapon be used over another's territory, so they must use them over their own territory.

2. Scripture does not suggest any Wuhan/China virus complications. As such, any specific "plague" can meet the depiction, so it's something I can't anticipate or provision for, although when the stores shelves were depleted I did bring some items down for our use.

3. After the attack on Israel, China will "spank" the Russians and the U.N. will "heal" that "mortal wound", which will allow Russia to participate in the final Global Thermonuclear War in which kings and rich men will use fallout shelters ("caves"), and people with radiation sickness will recover due to the powerful healing properties in our bodies such that "death will flee from us".

4. It took some 6 months for the U.S. with all it's air-lift and ship resources to deploy sufficient troops and equipment to Saudi Arabia in the 1991 FIRST "Desert Storm". As such it would seem appropriate that if we discern (using the Prophetic Psalms premise -- J.R. Church, "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms"), that working backwards from the Fall of 2021, it might take 3 months to restore a destroyed Russia; and another 4 months for China to "spank" Russia; and another 3 months for Russia and allies to attack Israel; -- and these are all optimistic. A more plausible time-line should DOUBLE those durations if not TRIPLE, and thus what could have happened in 2019 -- didn't.

5. So now all we can do is wait until we see some "spark" which will ignite the Middle East (presumably) and it could hinge on Lebanon's political upheaval or any number of circumstances including Syria, Iraq, shipping in the Persian Gulf, etc.​


But you're exactly correct that we MUST hold our Teachers and Prophets accountable for the tangibles, and to explain their extrapolations! -- BRILLIANTLY DONE!!!
Bobby Jo
Thank you for responding and explaining. I actually thought I had deleted my post ( figured it was in the wrong thread as this was a link to other aspects of what you have studied ) it’s bothered me for awhile, but I just wasn’t sure how or where to address it.
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Why is it professing Christians when speaking of Eschatology and Prophecy they look to the world for truths instead of the Holy Scripture?

What? don't they know the Bible is a Spiritual Book therefore, it must be read spiritually?

What? did they not know that God spoke in parables and without a parable he did not speak? So that seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them?

Jesus said will He find faith when He returns?

To God Be The Glory
 

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Why is it professing Christians when speaking of Eschatology and Prophecy they look to the world for truths instead of the Holy Scripture?

What? don't they know the Bible is a Spiritual Book therefore, it must be read spiritually?

What? did they not know that God spoke in parables and without a parable he did not speak? So that seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them?

Jesus said will He find faith when He returns?

To God Be The Glory
Yes but the non-Christians don't understand what they are fixing to accept. And since they are already implementing chips and such...and I believe there are 5 countries who have already gone cashless.
 

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..I will search the scriptures, research other theologians/scholars who are experts so to speak on Revelation and Daniel...

Ummmmmmm, -- I can save you a LOT of time. -- You won't find it in the commentators (theologians), and not much in the scholars. -- The angel in 12:4 & 9 commanded Daniel:

Dan. 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
... 9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

... and all the commentators interpret the fulfillments as ANCIENT history. Just consider that it hasn't been until the last hundred years or so that men have been able to travel some 60 to 600mph ("run to and fro"). And not since the mid-60's that we've had INSTANT "KNOWLEDGE" LITERALLY AT OUR FINGERTIPS (keyboard). So you can throw out the disobedient "commentators".

But as far as the scholars, there are specific instances where a handful of scholars have identified passages and texts which contradict the "Classical Interpretation", -- but they themselves were equally not able to see Modern History in sufficient hind-sight to provide a Modern interpretation.


So, H2S, you're pretty much on your own with a Bible and a History book. And remember, these "commentators" can't even count to FIVE, instead using a 4a/4b. They believe that the empire of CLAY is Revived Roman because it has a residue of Iron in it. But if memory serves me correctly, our own Pledge of Allegiance says:

... and to the Republic, for which it stands ...

... which suggests that because the Roman Empire was never conquered and never REPLACED, but simply dissolved into various kingdoms, fifedoms, cities, and regions, -- they kept the Roman Republic Senatus Populusque Romanus (Senate and the Roman People) bicameral model and eventually became the FIFTH "Divided Kingdom":

41 And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom ...
45 ... the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold ...
= 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE


Perhaps the ONLY PEOPLE who can CORRECTLY interpret Daniel and thereby Revelation, are living in our generation who haven't been poisoned by ANCIENT LIES.
Bobby Jo
 
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Thank you for responding and explaining. I actually thought I had deleted my post ( figured it was in the wrong thread as this was a link to other aspects of what you have studied ) it’s bothered me for awhile, but I just wasn’t sure how or where to address it.
Rita x

Dearest Rita,

You did WONDERFUL both for yourself and others as a reminder that we ALL need to hold each other accountable for our words and deeds. And I hope my words sufficiently addressed your concerns! :)

With my VERY BEST REGARDS,
Bobby Jo
 

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Ummmmmmm, -- I can save you a LOT of time. -- You won't find it in the commentators (theologians), and not much in the scholars. -- The angels in 12:4 & 9 commanded Daniel:

Dan. 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
... 9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

... and all the commentators interpret the fulfillments as ANCIENT history. Just consider that it hasn't been until the last hundred years or so that men have been able to travel some 60 to 600mph ("run to and fro"). And not since the mid-60's that we've had INSTANT "KNOWLEDGE" LITERALLY AT OUR FINGERTIPS (keyboard). So you can throw out the disobedient "commentators".

But as far as the scholars, there are specific instances where a handful of scholars have identified passages and texts which contradict the "Classical Interpretation", -- but they themselves were equally not able to see Modern History is sufficient hind-sight to provide a Modern interpretation.


So, H2S, you're pretty much on your own with a Bible and a History book. And remember, these "commentators" can't even count to FIVE, instead using a 4a/4b. They believe that the empire of CLAY is Revived Roman because it has a residue of Iron in it. But if memory serves me correctly, our own Pledge of Allegiance says:

... and to the Republic, for which it stands ...

... which suggests that because the Roman Empire was never conquered and never REPLACED, but simply dissolved into various kingdoms, fifedoms, cities, and regions, -- they kept the Roman Republic Senatus Populusque Romanus (Senate and the Roman People) bicameral model and eventually became the FIFTH "Divided Kingdom":

41 And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom ...
45 ... the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold ...
= 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE


Perhaps the ONLY PEOPLE who can CORRECTLY interpret Daniel and thereby Revelation, are living in our generation who haven't been poisoned by ANCIENT LIES.
Bobby Jo
Wow just ran across this.
'SkinMarks' - Google's New Tattoo That Turns Skin Into A Touchpad
 
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Wow just ran across this.
'SkinMarks' - Google's New Tattoo That Turns Skin Into A Touchpad

I've already invented the SAME THING, -- except mine is for the TV remote which I've taped to the back of my arm so that it doesn't keep falling between my chair frame and the cushion! -- I'M A GENIUS!! :cool:

:D Bobby Jo
 
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I've already invented the SAME THING, -- except mine is for the TV remote which I've taped to the back of my arm so that it doesn't keep falling between my chair and the cushion! -- I'M A GENIUS!! :cool:

:D Bobby Jo
:p
 
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