Mark of the Beast?

[Heart2Soul]

I know this is a topic that has been discussed endlessly among Christians but if you will endure one more thread I have been searching this for a while now.

What first caught my attention and got my mind to seek a deeper understanding was the scripture in
1 Kings 10:14
14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.

If we look back at the law for kings in Deuteronomy 17, It prohibits the king from multiplying horses and chariots, wives, and wealth. This is exactly what Solomon is doing in 1 Kings 10-11. Chapter ten begins by commending his great wisdom, but then steps through his decline - that is, he begins violating the rules for kings by multiplying gold (666 talents a year), multiplying horses and chariots, and finally multiplying wives who turn his heart away from following Yahweh. He sets up centers of false worship for all the foreign gods of his wives. So, the number 666 is associated with Solomon in his fall, his abuse of power, and his turning away from true worship of Yahweh.

In Revelation, Jesus sets up worship interactions under the symbol of business transactions - buying and selling.

I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.

This is picked up in chapter 13 with reference to worship in the false temple - the image set up by the beast which must be worshiped on pain of death. Everyone must worship the image, but no one may do so without the mark. The buying and selling referred to here is of the same kind established by Jesus in chapter 3. It is worship - spiritual transactions.

Now go to Nebuchadnezzar....
Daniel 3:1 1King Nebuchadnezzar made a golden statue sixty cubits high and six cubits wide, and he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon.

King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its breadth six cubits... And the herald proclaimed aloud, “You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, that when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace.”

Nebuchadnezzar is acting as a beast (and later, even more so) and sets up an image to be worshiped. Again, we have six and sixty associated with worship of a false image on pain of death.

All of this comes together in the name and number of the man - 666. This sums up man in his fallen state. The number carries with it the fallen glory of Solomon, his degraded wisdom, his failure to follow the word of God, his abuse of power, and his allowing himself to be turned aside to the worship of impotent gods.

Now let's move to the NT:
1 Timothy 6:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

There are more scriptures but here is my point...
wealth was the downfall of Solomon, Nebuchadnezzar, and according to 1 Timothy caused many to err from the faith when they coveted it.
Money is an idol to so many people.

So now to today's economy....if the U.S. economy collapses the whole world economy collapses....
Digital money is now being sold and bought as a world currency....(bitcoins for one)
Is it possible that the mark of the Beast will be this world currency in the form of digital money?

any thoughts?

 

[Joseph77]

Partly.
i.e. to fulfill all Scripture that is written, there's a few more , or many more, details also.

Is it possible that the mark of the Beast will be this world currency in the form of digital money?

any thoughts?

Looking 'back', as the messengers of God, and the permanent disciples, honestly and eagerly expected Jesus to return in their own lifetimes,
and they were taught by God the Father and by Jesus,
and neither God nor Jesus corrected them in their thinking and hopes,
and as God and Jesus showed in the Word ,
that the Ekklesia are to EAGERLY WATCH FOR JESUS' RETURN DAILY,

it may be even more simple than everyone thinks....

Since all this together indicates that Jesus could have returned in the Apostle's Lifetimes, as they thought, as they were taught and they were trained by Jesus,

so the fulfillment may have already , or had to be already, accomplished then, right ?

 

[Base12]

Is it possible that the mark of the Beast will be this world currency in the form of digital money?

It depends what this World Currency will be...

1 Corinthians 7:23
"Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men"

What kind of Money did Jesus use to purchase the Saved?

 

[Base12]

So, the number 666 is associated with Solomon in his fall, his abuse of power, and his turning away from true worship of Yahweh.

Alchemists have long yearned to turn Lead into Gold...

 

[Joseph77]

Alchemists have long yearned to turn Lead into Gold...

And lo and behold, in the last hundred or so years,

turning tiny amounts of toxins INTO HUMONGOUS PROFITS has been accomplished ! (at the cost of many lives,

trillions of dollars, and creating enormous suffering needlessly. )

 

[Base12]

Now go to Nebuchadnezzar....
Daniel 3:1 1King Nebuchadnezzar made a golden statue sixty cubits high and six cubits wide, and he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon.

The Mark of the Beast is associated with receiving a new identity...

Daniel 1:7
"Unto whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave unto Daniel the name of Belteshazzar; and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; and to Mishael, of Meshach; and to Azariah, of Abed–nego"

Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah all had their identities changed before being told to worship the Beast Image.

 

[Joseph77]

God's Preciousness in Jesus, His Absolute Purity and Unspotted Righteousness

What kind of Money xxxxxxxxxxxx

and FILTHY LUCRE should NEVER be associated with each other.

 

[Heart2Soul]

It depends what this World Currency will be...

1 Corinthians 7:23
"Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men"

What kind of Money did Jesus use to purchase the Saved?

Blood

 

[Heart2Soul]

The Mark of the Beast is associated with receiving a new identity...

Daniel 1:7
"Unto whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave unto Daniel the name of Belteshazzar; and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; and to Mishael, of Meshach; and to Azariah, of Abed–nego"

Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah all had their identities changed before being told to worship the Beast Image.

Yes which is copying what Jesus said about being given a new name.

 

[Heart2Soul]

So it is most likely linked to gold or the value of purchasing and selling....a monetary system?.....
Never mind you just said in your post it had to do with a new identity

 

[Joseph77]

As written: without the mark, you can neither buy nor sell,
and whoever refuses to worship the beast (to serve the beast, to go along with the politics/ religion/ etc) , is executed.

 

[Joseph77]

Revelation 13:15 - Bible Gateway
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation 13:15
This beast was also given the ability to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast spoke and caused whoever did not worship the image of the beast to be killed. ESV And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship ...

 

[Heart2Soul]

Now this is copy and paste from the Biblical Hermeneutics site: Significance of Solomon's 666 talents of gold?
(so was some of the stuff in my OP)
This is also mentioned in 2 Chronicles 9 verse 13. This chapter showcases the zenith of Israel power and wealth, with Solomon collecting 666 talents of gold per year. It's generally read as a coincidence with the New Testament Book of Revelations reference to 666 as the mark of the beast.

REVELATIONS chapter 13 verse 18:

[16] Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, [17] so that no one can buy or sell who does not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. [18] This calls for wisdom: let anyone with understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six. [NRSV]

It's possible to read this as a prophesy connected with the same numerical accounts written in 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles. Today, what we call the "Greek Septuagint" would have been considered holy scriptures by those practicing Judaism within most of the Roman Empire, including it's sect of Christianity. The entire New Testament was written in Greek, and it's canon added to that of the Septuagint. Those Scriptures accounting for Solomon's Gold were available to the Apostle Paul and the author of Revelations.

We may ask why the author of Revelations use 666 as the code of for the mark of the Beast. There are 2 choices, either it was an arbitrary number, or it was relevant to something else. If it was relevant to something else, then it could be referencing Solomon's Gold.

Reading Revelations chapter 13 verse 18 we see a couple of possible coincidences ...or relevancies. If it is to be read as relevant to Solomon's Gold then we can look at similarities to the Chapter and Verse structure, like so...

2 Chronicles chapter 9 verse 13. (a) 666 occurs in chapter 13 of Revelations but verse 13 in Chronicles.

(b) 666 occurs in verse 18 of Revelations but 2 Chronicles chapter 9 in Chronicles. 2 X 9 = 18

(c) 6 occurs 3 times. 18 divided by 6 = 3. 3 "6s" are Arabic numerals for 666.

(d) Arabia is also providing Gold to Solomon, as mentioned in the verse from 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles.

(E) During the era when the New Testament was written, Greek was common written language of the Roman Empire, because Alexander the Great had previously established Greek Culture and the Greek Language as the International Language of his empire. That held true during the Roman Empire, except that the persons running Government, who were considered the wise ones, and their legal administrators, used the Latin Alphabet and wrote Roman Law in Latin.

... it was common to use Code during the Roman Empire, where numbers were associated with letters, in their order within the proper alphabet. When reading Revelations as supernatural prophesy, it's possible to believe that the code was written for modern times, and only fully understandable at the "proper time".

... for instance, if hypothetically it were relevant to today, as supernatural prophecy, we could attempt to crack the code, like so...

... first lets consider the instructions within Revelations. a) we need to calculate the number. b) it requires someone with "wisdom". c) and it lets us know that everyone who follows the beast will have the mark on their forehead or arm.

... --in Roman times, voting was common for politicians. Someone who votes would receive a mark on their forehead or arm so they wouldn't vote twice. -- it requires "wisdom" someone who can read the Latin alphabet to associate numbers to letters. Solomon collected Gold from Arabia, so lets try Arabic numerals 666. Lets try associating the digits to Latin characters: many have tried that and failed. Let's try the 18th character because the verse in Revelations was the 18th verse. That gives an (R). Revelations says we need to "calculate the number" lets try that. Revelations says that it's the number of the name. Let's also try that: A full name has three names, first middle and last. Let's divide the whole name by 3, from 18, to get 6 for each name: first, middle and last. or in Arabic numerals 6-6-6.

So, (R) would be representative of the 18th verse. We can calculate a political name for someone with the mark of (R) and get 6-6-6. And, we can figure that everyone who votes for the Politicians with the mark of the (R) as receiving the politicians through their voting mark for the (R) candidate. They would not be able to buy or trade unless they endorsed the (R) political movement, or The Beast. And, the Beast would be trying to replicate Solomon's Gold at all cost.

There, that's an example of how to crack the code assuming it is relevant to Kings and Chronicles. And that it supernaturally was relevant to today's day and time. (R) would be the actual mark of the Beast, and it has to be calculated, and it has to be the number of the name. And it requires wisdom (Knowledge of Latin alphabet, and the ability to associate with Arabic numerals, which of course today everyone can do that.)

 

[Heart2Soul]

Revelation 13:15 - Bible Gateway
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation 13:15
This beast was also given the ability to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast spoke and caused whoever did not worship the image of the beast to be killed. ESV And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship ...

Thanks for sharing....let's talk specifically about the mark.

 

[Base12]

So it is most likely linked to gold or the value of purchasing and selling....a monetary system?.....

In my humble opinion, there is only one thing that makes God so angry as to destroy the Human Race...

Genesis 6:12
"And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth"

Whatever the Mark of the Beast is, I believe it will be related to what happened before the Flood with the corruption of flesh. That was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Look at Sodom and Gomorrah...

Jude 1:7
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire"

What happened there?

Jude 1:6
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day"

See the pattern?

Fast forward to today...

Luke 17:26
"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man"

What will that be like?

Daniel 2:43
"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay"

No other verse in the Bible lays it out so succinctly. Transhumansim is the line that God won't let us cross. Time and time again.

Thus, the Mark is Transhumanism.

What did Manasseh do that finally made god angry?

 

[Helen]

I know this is a topic that has been discussed endlessly among Christians but if you will endure one more thread I have been searching this for a while now.

What first caught my attention and got my mind to seek a deeper understanding was the scripture in
1 Kings 10:14
14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.

If we look back at the law for kings in Deuteronomy 17, It prohibits the king from multiplying horses and chariots, wives, and wealth. This is exactly what Solomon is doing in 1 Kings 10-11. Chapter ten begins by commending his great wisdom, but then steps through his decline - that is, he begins violating the rules for kings by multiplying gold (666 talents a year), multiplying horses and chariots, and finally multiplying wives who turn his heart away from following Yahweh. He sets up centers of false worship for all the foreign gods of his wives. So, the number 666 is associated with Solomon in his fall, his abuse of power, and his turning away from true worship of Yahweh.

In Revelation, Jesus sets up worship interactions under the symbol of business transactions - buying and selling.

I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.

This is picked up in chapter 13 with reference to worship in the false temple - the image set up by the beast which must be worshiped on pain of death. Everyone must worship the image, but no one may do so without the mark. The buying and selling referred to here is of the same kind established by Jesus in chapter 3. It is worship - spiritual transactions.

Now go to Nebuchadnezzar....
Daniel 3:1 1King Nebuchadnezzar made a golden statue sixty cubits high and six cubits wide, and he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon.

King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its breadth six cubits... And the herald proclaimed aloud, “You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, that when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into a burning fiery furnace.”

Nebuchadnezzar is acting as a beast (and later, even more so) and sets up an image to be worshiped. Again, we have six and sixty associated with worship of a false image on pain of death.

All of this comes together in the name and number of the man - 666. This sums up man in his fallen state. The number carries with it the fallen glory of Solomon, his degraded wisdom, his failure to follow the word of God, his abuse of power, and his allowing himself to be turned aside to the worship of impotent gods.

Now let's move to the NT:
1 Timothy 6:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

There are more scriptures but here is my point...
wealth was the downfall of Solomon, Nebuchadnezzar, and according to 1 Timothy caused many to err from the faith when they coveted it.
Money is an idol to so many people.

So now to today's economy....if the U.S. economy collapses the whole world economy collapses....
Digital money is now being sold and bought as a world currency....(bitcoins for one)
Is it possible that the mark of the Beast will be this world currency in the form of digital money?

any thoughts?

I'm not good at this sort of thing...but watching with great interest.

 

[Base12]

BTW...

I believe the Mark of Cain is the same as the Mark of the Beast.

 

[Joseph77]

It looks like, as on most forums, you will get a lot of misleading answers, instead of truth, talking about the mark.

What God reveals to His children, in His Word , is perfect, and simple , and true.

Thanks for sharing....let's talk specifically about the mark.

 

[Heart2Soul]

In my humble opinion, there is only one thing that makes God so angry as to destroy the Human Race...

Genesis 6:12
"And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth"

Whatever the Mark of the Beast is, I believe it will be related to what happened before the Flood with the corruption of flesh. That was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Look at Sodom and Gomorrah...

Jude 1:7
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire"

What happened there?

Jude 1:6
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day"

See the pattern?

Fast forward to today...

Luke 17:26
"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man"

What will that be like?

Daniel 2:43
"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay"

No other verse in the Bible lays it out so succinctly. Transhumansim is the line that God won't let us cross. Time and time again.

Thus, the Mark is Transhumanism.

What did Manasseh do that finally made god angry?

child sacrifice; building altars to foreign gods in high places; erecting Asherah poles within the temple; worshipping the stars and heavenly bodies; and using fortune telling, omens, mediums, sorcery, and necromancers.

Okay you mentioned that before....(sorry I forgot).....but I can't help but believe it is associated somehow to what is the ROOT of ALL EVILS....

 

[Heart2Soul]

@Base12 is there any relevance to what this person said in post 13?