Shall we discuss this?

[mjrhealth]

No, I believe Jesus is God just as the Bible insists!

Isaiah 9:6-7
6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace

Well Jesus insisted He was not...

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

and again

Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

If God honored Himself Hew would be an unrighteous God, like a man crowning Himself, there would be no honour in that.

You dishonour Christ and God

Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh_5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

 

[kcnalp]

Well Jesus insisted He was not...

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

and again

Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

If God honored Himself Hew would be an unrighteous God, like a man crowning Himself, there would be no honour in that.

You dishonour Christ and God

Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh_5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

None of that smokescreen proves that Jesus isn't God.

John 3:13 (NKJV)
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

Jesus is God!

 

[mjrhealth]

None of that smokescreen proves that Jesus isn't God.

John 3:13 (NKJV)
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

Jesus is God!

It says son of man doesnt say God, your improvising, why you so angry, about Jesus being who God says He is..

Mat_17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

are you going to call God a liar too.

 

[kcnalp]

It says son of man doesnt say God, your improvising, why you so angry, about Jesus being who God says He is..

Mat_17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

are you going to call God a liar too.

"The Son of man" is Jesus. He is omnipresent because He is God.
"the Son of Man who is in heaven"

 

[mjrhealth]

"The Son of man" is Jesus. He is omnipresent because He is God.
"the Son of Man who is in heaven"

He is now, wasnt before His resurrection.

 

[kcnalp]

He is now, wasnt before His resurrection.

You can't be serious. Did you read any of that?

 

[mjrhealth]

You can't be serious. Did you read any of that?

Yes , ill leave you to dispute with God, Aw coomon God you never really had a son, it was you all along, you where deceiving us... Is that who God is really.

 

[kcnalp]

Yes , ill leave you to dispute with God, Aw coomon God you never really had a son, it was you all along, you where deceiving us... Is that who God is really.

I never said God doesn't have a Son. And the Son said, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father".

 

[mjrhealth]

I never said God doesn't have a Son. And the Son said, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father".

YEp because HE is the Image of the father, in that all Hie is, is all that God is, God is Love, so therefore Christ to, is love, are we not created too in Gods image?? are we God, yet we are created to become like Christ, sons of God, Just like JEsus.

 

[kcnalp]

YEp because HE is the Image of the father, in that all Hie is, is all that God is, God is Love, so therefore Christ to, is love, are we not created too in Gods image?? are we God, yet we are created to become like Christ, sons of God, Just like JEsus.

You didn't explain how Jesus is on earth and in Heaven at the same time.

John 3:13 (NKJV)
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

 

[mjrhealth]

You didn't explain how Jesus is on earth and in Heaven at the same time.

John 3:13 (NKJV)
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

His word that proceeded out of His mouth returend to Him just as was prophesyed

 

[kcnalp]

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

His word that proceeded out of His mouth returend to Him just as was prophesyed

Try again. You know you can't explain it.

"You didn't explain how Jesus is on earth and in Heaven at the same time."

John 3:13 (NKJV)
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

 

[mjrhealth]

Try again. You know you can't explain it.

"You didn't explain how Jesus is on earth and in Heaven at the same time."

John 3:13 (NKJV)
13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

It doesnt say He is in Heaven at teh same time, it says, if it you can read, than He came from Heaven and went back to heaven, Your clutching at straws trying to justify a lie.

 

[kcnalp]

It doesnt say He is in Heaven at teh same time,

"the Son of Man who is in heaven"

 

[john t]

Since this is my first post here, I will not accuse, but I will attempt to ask questions.

The OP of thread is reminiscent of another poster with the same user name on another forum. On that forum, the poster with the same user name was assuredly not believing in the Trinity. I believe he was a Oneness person.

In the same vein, I see another poster posting in theology of COGIC which has a modalistic view of Jesus Christ

Neither the Oneness nor the COGIC are trinitarian, so I am wondering what sort of standards does this site have regarding the historic creeds, such as the Apostle's Creed, and permitting those who do not believe in the trinity to call themselves Christians?

No, I am NOT attempting to derail, nor to debate. Simply, I seek information, and I apologize if this is in the wrong forum. Therefore, I will not respond to those wanting to "go to war" on that issue. However, I am trying to get the "lay of the land" here.

 

[mjrhealth]

"the Son of Man who is in heaven"

Well after His resurection where did you think He went to...

 

[kcnalp]

Well after His resurection where did you think He went to...

It was WAY before His resurrection. Have you ever read the NT?

 

[john t]

He is now, wasnt before His resurrection.

Have you read John 1:

2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”)
16 And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

Hebrews 1:
1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.


5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my Son,
today I have begotten you”?


It does not agree with your theology, as expressed in the quote above. In other words, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Living God was IN HEAVEN WITH HIM DURING CREATION

 

[mjrhealth]

Have you read John 1:

2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”)
16 And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

Hebrews 1:
1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.


5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my Son,
today I have begotten you”?


It does not agree with your theology, as expressed in the quote above. In other words, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Living God was IN HEAVEN WITH HIM DURING CREATION

Actually Jesus Himself wasnt, bible doesnt say that, it says His word was, now this is not what was asked, so you should look before jumping off that board, as for theology that is learned men speak, i have big words you must believe me, I am no Theologian, could care less for it. It was not "Jesus" that became flesh it was His word, and that what was born became Jesus the Son of the Living God.

 

[mjrhealth]

It was WAY before His resurrection. Have you ever read the NT?

Your not reading my posts are you, love you pashin but its very deluded.