Saved, which means what?

[GTW27]

We can ask ourselves this question: Am I in Christ Jesus? We could only answer for our own self. Now this is the truth that scriptures clearly says on that, that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

Those who are in Christ Jesus, who are they? Are they not those whom scriptures said, do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit?

Those who are in Christ Jesus, are they not those whom scriptures say are saved?

Those who are in Christ Jesus, are they not those whom scriptures said God had predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ?

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Blessings in Christ Jesus! Just wanted to say I recognize these words, as to how they are written and how they flow. That is a compliment to The One who gives us the words, and to the one who passes them on. Well done.

 

[Ezra]

Are you asking a question? You will have to rephrase as I really don't understand what you are saying or asking.

how are we born again and not partakers . there is only 2 types people saved or lost if saved your a partaker

 

[amadeus]

how are we born again and not partakers . there is only 2 types people saved or lost if saved your a partaker

Just like a naturally child begins immediately to partake of the necessities of his life and soon to work other things essential to maturity so must we. Failure to partake for the natural or spiritual child will stunt their growth or cause their death [physical or spiritual]

We are partake of His flesh, which I see as readily available to anyone who owns and is able to read a Bible, but also needed is the Holy Spirit, which when allowed to work in us will quicken [bring to Life] the scriptures we consume. So partake then of both the Body and Blood of Jesus. [Seeing that Blood of Jesus is the Spirit is another thing people will likely question.]

How is a person born again? By believing in God and His Son and all that entails from God's point of view... As as you have surely seen different people have different ideas about the details of that. One thing I am certain is necessary is surrender or complete subjection God.

 

[Ezra]

One thing I am certain is necessary is surrender or complete subjection God.

it is but our flesh tends to get in the way . no one is %100 complete subjection God. if we was we would not need Christ or the Holy spirit Christ left us.. the good news is when we fail / sin we have advocate. for that i am thankful we could also call it Grace

 

[amadeus]

it is but our flesh tends to get in the way . no one is %100 complete subjection God. if we was we would not need Christ or the Holy spirit Christ left us.. the good news is when we fail / sin we have advocate. for that i am thankful we could also call it Grace

Indeed the failure to surrender completely is perhaps one of our greatest failures. What is comes down to is that we cannot do even that all alone. We need to also ask for His help to surrender more completely and continue ask as long as we realize we are not quite doing as we should:

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." Matt 7:7-8

If we are really striving and asking for His help then He will take up the slack. The slack is the "grace"!

 

[Tong2020]

That is how I see it.

Much love!

And I believe that those who are in Christ Jesus see it that way which is plain and clear in scriptures. But plain as it is, not every reader of scriptures sees that.

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[Tong2020]

So then you have decided. I continue to disagree while you simply ignore the conflict your position causes as to who God is! Perhaps you are OK with that. I cannot be and unless you are able to clarify it in some way, I guess we are finished here. Thank you for the discussion.

I do respect your continued disagreement. However, I find no conflict in my position. If you think there is, I respect that as well. To the contrary, I see your position that God attracts dead people to attain to Life as that which is in conflict with scriptures. For one, I simply don't see how dead people could be attracted, unless they are first enabled by God.

And it is not that I am OK with that, rather I could only but accept scriptural truth.

Now, as a matter of clarification then, let us consider the already cited reference verses, John 10:10 and 27.

John 10:10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

As I have pointed out, the "they" in verse 10 that Jesus refers to are HIS SHEEP. He is not referring to any other, but HIS SHEEP. Now, in verse 27, it is clear that HIS SHEEP are those whom His Father has given to Him. These are them that Jesus is talking about in John 6:37, those who comes to Him. We can understand then that HIS SHEEP are they who comes to Him. In John 6:44, we can also understand then that HIS SHEEP comes to Him when the Father would had obviously drawn them to Him, the Good Shepherd. Clearly then, there could be no mistake that, those the Father draws to Jesus Christ, refer to HIS SHEEP, them whom the Father has given Him, and not refer to just anybody.

If you don't agree with that, and have arguments against it, let me know. Also, if you have any questions, you are most welcome to ask.

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[marksman]

An appeal to such reasoning does not prove anything nor thus it give justice to your accusation. It is safe to assume that everyone here post something which they think is what is right and that no one here would post something he thinks is wrong. Be that as it may, every poster is responsible for what he/she post and must be ready to give a defense or explain when asked. Anyway, if you choose not to, which is your right, no one can force you to nor is there anything that one can do about that. But then, that would be making the impression that there is no proof or defense that you can show.

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Thank you for proving my point O Righteous One!!

 

[Tong2020]

Thank you for proving my point O Righteous One!!

I am not the Righteous One, God have mercy! Again, God have mercy! I am not the Righteous One as you sarcastically exclaim. Even such a sarcasm will not escape the displeasure of the Righteous One. God have mercy!

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[marksman]

I am not the Righteous One, God have mercy! Again, God have mercy! I am not the Righteous One as you sarcastically exclaim. Even such a sarcasm will not escape the displeasure of the Righteous One. God have mercy!

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R1072

OH, that wasn't sarcasm. That is how you come across to everyone. Being autistic I can say that with all honesty because you cannot hurt my feelings.

 

[Tong2020]

OH, that wasn't sarcasm. That is how you come across to everyone. Being autistic I can say that with all honesty because you cannot hurt my feelings.

Not here to hurt your feelings sir, nor hurt anyone's feelings for that matter. I'm even sadder to hear that you even here say it's not even a sarcasm. And if it isn't, then what could that be, when every Christian knows that there is but only one Righteous One? Would you think that anyone here think that such words could come from those who are in Christ Jesus? God have mercy!

What feelings you have inside of you, no one could really know. However, such statement gives us here some clue. And apparently it's not a good feeling. Even while it is not my intention to bring you to that, please accept my sincere apology, if somehow you find me as being the cause of it. God have mercy on me, for any wrong, if any, that I might have caused.

Much love!

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R1073

 

[VictoryinJesus]

So many questions and answers? This is what I see at the moment, but it may be different tomorrow...
Who or what is hated by God? In the end of a man that which is loved continues, if there is anything. What happens to that which is hated? It is burned up.

Correct answers? Are they needed? On some things, yes, but even on deciding which ones are really needed, people disagree. Some people cannot wrap their heads around even the questions, much less the answers! God does not punish us for having a wrong answer. He may punish us for purposely doing something when we know better. What do we know and what do we only believe or hold in faith? God knows! Ultimately our judgement comes back to that one verse, which has nothing to do with our score on any theology test...

Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

We cannot make to the end alone no matter what. Only by surrendering can we make it because His strength is necessary to get us through it all...

Take hold also of that verse and the parable where two used their talents wisely and one simply buried his...

Thank God for every mountain, every valley, and every storm.

 

[bbyrd009]

I'd say that's pretty clear, unless someone wants to argue, though it SAYS that, it doesn't MEAN that, which I do hear a lot!

Much love!

well it doesnt even say that, and as evidenced it obviously violates other Scripture. This is the same reasoning that causes believers to imagine they can Quote "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" imo; "put on immortality" does not equal "become an immortal" any kind of way, wadr

 

[bbyrd009]

how are we born again and not partakers . there is only 2 types people saved or lost if saved your a partaker

understand why the publicans and prostitutes are beating you into the kingdom

 

[ChristisGod]

how are we born again and not partakers . there is only 2 types people saved or lost if saved your a partaker

may I ask you where in the bible is a partaker called saved or possesses eternal life ?

 

[Marymog]

Salvation is never by works, always by grace through faith.
1Pe 1:1-9 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, (2) Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. (3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy has begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fades not away, reserved in heaven for you, (5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. (6) Wherein you greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, you are in heaviness through manifold temptations: (7) That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: (8) Whom having not seen, you love; in whom, though now you see him not, yet believing, you rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: (9) Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

James 2:17

 

[Marymog]

And yet we are saved by grace through faith, not as a result of self righteousness or works. Eph 2:8 The thing which must be held firm to the end is faith for it is the means by which grace is accessed.

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Hmmm....So if you give in to the temptation to steal, commit adultry etc. you will, by the grace of God, still be saved?

Curious Mary

 

[Ezra]

may I ask you where in the bible is a partaker called saved or possesses eternal life ?

Colossians 1:11-13
King James Version

11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Hebrews 3:1-3
King James Version

3 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
Hebrews 3:13-15
King James Version

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

is that enough ?

 

[farouk]

Colossians 1:11-13
King James Version

11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Hebrews 3:1-3
King James Version

3 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
Hebrews 3:13-15
King James Version

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

is that enough ?

Good verses to quote, of much assurance to the believer.

 

[Ezra]

Hmmm....go if you give in to the temptation to steal, commit adultry etc. you will, by the grace of God, still be saved?

Curious Mary

you can yes you can does that mean its ok or a thumbs up to do such things? NO the key word is repent 1 john 1:9