Edward Fudge: Hero Or Heretic?

[Taken]

What I can’t understand is how we all are saying something different, and we all think we are right. Myself included which is terrifying and if I’m being honest causes tremendous doubts.

IMO It is mainly:
1) not all study the same things.
2) reading is not studying.
3) lumping all together, things that are similar, but not the same, but treating them in conversation, as if they are the same.

Regarding mankind...every man is an individual, and God has a set plan to deal with each individual- his body, soul, spirit, works- Individuals may be similar...but they are accountable individually.

Many do not Know their own outcome /destiny, but are quick to dictate what will become of others or criticize a preacher based on a couple of quotes.

4) a lack of identifying Expressly what one is speaking about specifically.

Many things contribute to the point of disagreement based on what multiple people have learned/studied.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Here is a clue of what "soul" is:
Genesis 4[10] And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.[11] And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
I have more scriptures to share, and can expound on it effectively, but it is extremely contrary to how most all are taught by "church-ianity", as to what they think "soul" is.

Thanks, but what is your point?
The voice of brothers BLOOD is crying to God?
The Earth opened its mouth and received the brotherS BLOOD?
The brother had BLOOD on his hand?

And what is your point "to me" about Taught "church-inanity"?
Something General? or leveled at me specifically as if I was wrongly taught in a church?

So what specifically do You think a Soul Is?
Your quoted Scripture doesn't say.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

What is wrath if not hell? Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Hell is a place.
Wrath is an Action.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[justbyfaith]

I have already said my piece.

But I do feel the need to repeat something.

In Revelation 20:10, you need to consider that it is a very good possibility that this is speaking of the nature of what it means to be cast into the lake of fire; and is not speaking of the punishment of only the beast and the false prophet and satan; but is referring to what it will be like for all who will be cast into the lake of fire.

Chance it if you wish.

But if you are hoping to be annihilated rather than suffer eternal torments, you may be in for a shock on your day of judgment.

Because if you are wrong and chose to be wicked because you felt the consequences were less severe than you previously thought, I believe that you will find that they are more severe than you previously thought.

But go ahead and chance it, that is on you.

Just know that in teaching annihilationism, you are leading people down a path wherein they may not be deterred from entering into eternal torments; and you will be held accountable for it; and your suffering in the lake of fire will be that much worse according to the justice of the Lord: because you will be held responsible for their fate.

 

[Taken]

I have already said my piece.

But I do feel the need to repeat something.

In Revelation 20:10, you need to consider that it is a very good possibility that this is speaking of the nature of what it means to be cast into the lake of fire; and is not speaking of the punishment of only the beast and the false prophet and satan; but is referring to what it will be like for all who will be cast into the lake of fire.

Chance it if you wish.

But if you are hoping to be annihilated rather than suffer eternal torments, you may be in for a shock on your day of judgment.

Because if you are wrong and chose to be wicked because you felt the consequences were less severe than you previously thought, I believe that you will find that they are more severe than you previously thought.

But go ahead and chance it, that is on you.

Just know that in teaching annihilationism, you are leading people down a path wherein they may not be deterred from entering into eternal torments; and you will be held accountable for it; and your suffering in the lake of fire will be that much worse according to the justice of the Lord: because you will be held responsible for their fate.

Who are you speaking to?

 

[justbyfaith]

Who are you speaking to?

Everyone.

 

[Taken]

Everyone.

I don't know of anyone posting they hoped to be annihilated rather than suffer torment Forever...

 

[BarneyFife]

I have already said my piece.

But I do feel the need to repeat something.

In Revelation 20:10, you need to consider that it is a very good possibility that this is speaking of the nature of what it means to be cast into the lake of fire; and is not speaking of the punishment of only the beast and the false prophet and satan; but is referring to what it will be like for all who will be cast into the lake of fire.

Chance it if you wish.

But if you are hoping to be annihilated rather than suffer eternal torments, you may be in for a shock on your day of judgment.

Because if you are wrong and chose to be wicked because you felt the consequences were less severe than you previously thought, I believe that you will find that they are more severe than you previously thought.

But go ahead and chance it, that is on you.

Just know that in teaching annihilationism, you are leading people down a path wherein they may not be deterred from entering into eternal torments; and you will be held accountable for it; and your suffering in the lake of fire will be that much worse according to the justice of the Lord: because you will be held responsible for their fate.

I'll chance relying on the entire testimony of Scripture rather than gathering a few verses together that make God into a monster.

 

[BarneyFife]

I don't know of anyone posting they hoped to be annihilated rather than suffer torment Forever...

I do. I'll take that offer. One of the greatest joys of my life was finding out that if I somehow failed to persevere and overcome, I would only have to look forward to getting what I deserve and no more than that.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I do. I'll take that offer. One of the greatest joys of my life was finding out that if I somehow failed to persevere and overcome, I would only have to look forward to getting what I deserve and no more than that.

Actually, that helped me in mourning unsaved loved ones, that they will be annihilated, rather than be tortured FOREVER. Yikes!

 

[Taken]

I do. I'll take that offer. One of the greatest joys of my life was finding out that if I somehow failed to persevere and overcome, I would only have to look forward to getting what I deserve and no more than that.

LOL - Since you have Freewill wouldn't you rather hope to travel the Way to Salvation?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BarneyFife]

LOL - Since you have Freewill wouldn't you rather hope to travel the Way to Salvation?

Glory to God,
Taken

You find this amusing? Nice straw man, by the way. Of course I intend to overcome, but 30 years ago, I wasn't so sure. See you in the funny papers.

 

[BarneyFife]

Actually, that helped me in mourning unsaved loved ones, that they will be annihilated, rather than be tortured FOREVER. Yikes!

Thank you for that testimony, Sister.

 

[BarneyFife]

Actually, that helped me in mourning unsaved loved ones, that they will be annihilated, rather than be tortured FOREVER. Yikes!

By the way, did you know it is actually against the rules at CF to discuss annihilationism?

 

[CharismaticLady]

By the way, did you know it is actually against the rules at CF to discuss annihilationism?

Edited:
No, I didn't. I wonder why? I certainly don't believe that about Satan and his angels. Maybe that is what they are against. Would you do me a favor, and go to page 11, #209 and read my thoughts. Can you refute scripturally? These are just my reasoning; I've never heard anyone teach this, and just wonder if anyone else wondered why Peter said it would be better for someone to never be saved, than to be saved, then turn to apostasy. Same thing in Hebrews 6. I don't think it relates to Hebrews 10 though.

 

[Enoch111]

By the way, did you know it is actually against the rules at CF to discuss annihilationism?

No. I did not know that, but it is an excellent idea. Bravo to the moderators.

 

[BarneyFife]

No. I did not know that, but it is an excellent idea. Bravo to the moderators.

Yes, I'm sure you're a great champion for religious liberty.

 

[ChristisGod]

No. I did not know that, but it is an excellent idea. Bravo to the moderators.

I've been on other forums where UR is prohibited as well. Both are dangerous doctrines.

 

[Waiting on him]

No one has yet to answer a question presented, how is God just in immortalizing sin?

I believe this is an important question, and for those who have it all worked out, what say ye?

 

[ChristisGod]

No one has yet to answer a question presented, how is God just in immortalizing sin?

I believe this is an important question, and for those who have it all worked out, what say ye?

can you define what you mean by " immortalizing sin " ?