I'm a Christian and I support the legality of same-sex marriage

[K9Buck]

Brother if we are allowed to live our lives according to the desires of our flesh then Jesus died in vain. Also being born again of His Spirit is to put to death the lusts of the flesh, the old man, and to be holy as He is.

And that's my 2 cents worth.

Let seculars be secular. As Jesus said, let the dead bury their dead.

If some of our Christian friends had their way, there would be roving bands of religious police enforcing morality and locking up people who engage in pre-marital sex, etc. No thanks.

 

[K9Buck]

There is no such thing as the separation of church and state. Thomas Jefferson coined the phrase, but it isn't in the constitution. What is in the constitution is the establishment clause which disallows the establishment of a state religion (as in England at the time of the American revolution.) If you read the opinions of the writers of the constitution, you'll find most believed that the nation wouldn't survive without a firm rooting in religion (and most of them were free Masons first, Christians second.)

I understand. I believe government should stick to building roads, running the defense department, etc. while staying out of the way of private citizens. I oppose their involvement in many things, including state marriage licenses. I oppose the concept of government imposing its moral views upon greater society. Many Christians seemingly support living under a theocracy, as long as it's a Christian theocracy. But what if it's an Islamic theocracy or a Buddhist theocracy or a Hindu theocracy? Then, suddenly, those same Christians then agree with me that government should stay OUT of such things.

 

[K9Buck]

I can say that "I'm a Christian and I support Unicorn marriage," and I would be saying the same thing as declaring that I support same-sex "marriage."

Neither exist.

I said that I support the legality of same-sex marriage, not the practice itself.

 

[Grailhunter]

Surely I think you're a bit off. There's pills for that though.

All I need is a pill for talking to stupid people.

 

[K9Buck]

Should we outlaw religions that believe in pedophilia and ritual human sacrifice?

Again, pedophilia and human sacrifice victimizes an innocent third party. Worshiping another "god" does not.

If you're saying that all of our laws need to be based on Christianity, then why stop at forbidding same-sex marriage? Why are you not advocating for changing the U.S. Constitution to state that America is a Christian nation and that all behavior must comply with Christianity?

 

[K9Buck]

Certainly, you would be uncomfortable living eternally in Heaven's Theocracy! God will certainly not allow you into His Presence if you find Him and His will to be so odious to your desires.

I'm starting to get the feeling that engaging you is a fruitless effort. NOWHERE did I advocate for any behavior that defies God's wishes. I've simply expressed a willingness to permit others to live their lives as they like, provided they're not hurting another.

 

[K9Buck]

Jesus is the Author of the Bible.

If you're being honest, don't you find it remarkable that, in the gospels of the 4 disciples, Jesus isn't quoted on anything pertaining to homosexuality?

 

[K9Buck]

I think you are closing your ears to my argument. My point was that it will spill into the streets eventually...

That reminds me of the argument that led to our involvement in the Vietnam War. If we don't stop it there, it will spread throughout southeast Asia and then throughout the entire world.

It seems more common to hear of heterosexual couples having sex in public than it is for same-sex couples. Should we ban heterosexual sex in the bedroom in order to prevent from "spilling into the streets"?

 

[Grailhunter]

If you're being honest, don't you find it remarkable that, in the gospels of the 4 disciples, Jesus isn't quoted on anything pertaining to homosexuality?

Ok, besides the obvious, why do you think that Christ would be talking to Jews about homosexuality?

 

[michaelvpardo]

I understand. I believe government should stick to building roads, running the defense department, etc. while staying out of the way of private citizens. I oppose their involvement in many things, including state marriage licenses. I oppose the concept of government imposing its moral views upon greater society. Many Christians seemingly support living under a theocracy, as long as it's a Christian theocracy. But what if it's an Islamic theocracy or a Buddhist theocracy or a Hindu theocracy? Then, suddenly, those same Christians then agree with me that government should stay OUT of such things.

Many Christians believe the Bible. Jesus lived under a pagan authority, yet said that Pilates authority came from God. Many Christians take the biblical view that our citizenship is in heaven and that God is our king and Jesus is our Lord, but believe the biblical admonitions to obey the authority. Many Christians believe the biblical mandate to look for Christ's return in glory, the resurrection of our bodies, and a millennial kingdom ruled by God. Then there is the Masonic corruption of biblical doctrine, their prophecy of a worldwide kingdom of free and righteous men living in brotherhood. A kingdom that they will build on Earth (it sounds almost biblical and they delight in using biblical symbolism without accepting its literal meaning.) Not everything or everyone that calls themselves Christian knows the Lord, but so it was foretold and so were the angels instructed to wait upon that day.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Let seculars be secular. As Jesus said, let the dead bury their dead.

If some of our Christian friends had their way, there would be roving bands of religious police enforcing morality and locking up people who engage in pre-marital sex, etc. No thanks.

We must come out of her, the Lord says...Now is the time to choose to be separated from the world. We cannot embrace the immortality of the evil of this world and hold on to His Truth.
That isn't saying not to love them, we should love everyone and hate the sin. Pray for those bound up in those things that are done in disobedience to His Word....IMHO

 

[K9Buck]

Would you prefer the opposite and have the unbeliever force their ways upon us?

I've addressed that repeatedly in this thread by pointing out that no one here would want to live under an Islamic theocracy.

A theocracy ran by a man or a group of men (oligarchy) would be, fundamentally, a totalitarian regime and a police-state. One day we will live under a theocracy, but it will be headed by Jesus rather than someone like Jim Jones or Jim Bakker. Would it be accurate to say that, some Christians have NO PROBLEM with a police-state, as long as they're the ones running it?

 

[K9Buck]

We must come out of her, the Lord says...Now is the time to choose to be separated from the world. We cannot embrace the immortality of the evil of this world and hold on to His Truth.
That isn't saying not to love them, we should love everyone and hate the sin. Pray for those bound up in those things that are done in disobedience to His Word....IMHO

Of course. I submit to all of that.

Serious question.

Should we incarcerate people involved in immoral behavior, such as pre-marital sex, homosexual sex, worshiping a false "god", etc.?

 

[K9Buck]

Many Christians believe the Bible. Jesus lived under a pagan authority, yet said that Pilates authority came from God. Many Christians take the biblical view that our citizenship is in heaven and that God is our king and Jesus is our Lord, but believe the biblical admonitions to obey the authority. Many Christians believe the biblical mandate to look for Christ's return in glory, the resurrection of our bodies, and a millennial kingdom ruled by God. Then there is the Masonic corruption of biblical doctrine, their prophecy of a worldwide kingdom of free and righteous men living in brotherhood. A kingdom that they will build on Earth (it sounds almost biblical and they delight in using biblical symbolism without accepting its literal meaning.) Not everything or everyone that calls themselves Christian knows the Lord, but so it was foretold and so were the angels instructed to wait upon that day.

Thank you for the reasoned response.

I created this thread to present a case for supporting the legality of same-sex marriage, albeit not its practice. Some here cannot, apparently, delineate the difference.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Of course. I submit to all of that.

Serious question.

Should we incarcerate people involved in immoral behavior, such as pre-marital sex, homosexual sex, worshiping a false "god", etc.?

No....let's clarify something....are you speaking of those who are unsaved? Or are you including Christian's and non-Christians in same sex marriage?

 

[K9Buck]

Ok, besides the obvious, why do you think that Christ would be talking to Jews about homosexuality?

I don't know. For that matter, what did Jesus say about murder, rape, theft, extortion, kidnapping, etc.? I concede that my knowledge of the 4 gospels is lacking.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Of course. I submit to all of that.

Serious question.

Should we incarcerate people involved in immoral behavior, such as pre-marital sex, homosexual sex, worshiping a false "god", etc.?

I don't think any life choices a person makes that only affects them should be punished with imprisonment. Only those things that cause harm or death or loss of property for others should be punishable by imprisoning them.

 

[kcnalp]

If you're being honest, don't you find it remarkable that, in the gospels of the 4 disciples, Jesus isn't quoted on anything pertaining to homosexuality?

You don't believe Paul who wrote most of the NT? Paul said he got it directly from Jesus.

Romans 1:26-28 (NKJV)
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

 

[K9Buck]

No....let's clarify something....are you speaking of those who are unsaved? Or are you including Christian's and non-Christians in same sex marriage?

I'm not sure that I follow your question. Please allow me to make an analogy.

I personally believe that recreational sky-diving is immoral. Why? Because one is taking a wholly unnecessary risk with their life. However, I support that it is LEGAL to participate in such an activity. I can speak to a sky-diver and implore them NOT to do it and that God wants them to stay healthy and NOT take unnecessary risks so that they can spread the good news of Jesus.

I have the same view of same-sex marriage. Yes, it is immoral, but we Christians should permit non-Christians to be free to live as secularists, provided their behavior does not harm an innocent third party. In other words, that means abortion, pedophilia, bestiality, murder, rape, kidnapping, etc. are FORBIDDEN.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I'm not sure that I follow your question. Please allow me to make an analogy.

I personally believe that recreational sky-diving is immoral. Why? Because one is taking a wholly unnecessary risk with their life. However, I support that it is LEGAL to participate in such an activity. I can speak to a sky-diver and implore them NOT to do it and that God wants them to stay healthy and NOT take unnecessary risks so that they can spread the good news of Jesus.

I have the same view of same-sex marriage. Yes, it is immoral, but we Christians should permit non-Christians to be free to live as secularists, provided their behavior does not harm an innocent third party. In other words, that means abortion, pedophilia, bestiality, murder, rape, kidnapping, etc. are FORBIDDEN.

Well then we would be playing God...of course people should have free will...but I would not support their choices by advocating for them or voting for laws to enable them.