Apparitions of the Virgin Mary

[Philip James]

according to Jesus, Mary ranks as just a "woman"

Hello Candidus,

Not just any woman, but 'the woman'
Seen here:

I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel."

And again here:

A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

Jesus mother, who He shares with us here:

Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother." And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.

And spoken of by David here:

But you, Lord, are a merciful and gracious God, slow to anger, most loving and true.

Turn to me, have pity on me; give your strength to your servant; save this child of your handmaid.

Peace be with you!

 

[Illuminator]

Nonsense... Millions have gone to Fatima and were never healed.

How does that detract from the thousands that turned to Jesus and were healed??? Verified by written testimony and medical science???

Mary appearing on toast, and especially in private where no one can prove anything, is the appearance of a demon, or fake news.

No bishop has ever approved of such silly manifestations, but again, the fake news does not detract from the hundreds of authentic Marian manifestations that the most scrupulous scientific investigations cannot explain.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof! Unicorn sightings have just as much evidence!

There is no extraordinary proof for unicorns, there is extraordinary proof for miracles that is not accepted by skeptics and atheists. Science cannot prove miracles, they can only say that no natural explanation exists. Here is extraordinary proof:
Scientific Evidence for Miracles page 1: examination of the Lourdes rules for miracle acceptance.

 

[Cristo Rei]

(1) THE APPARITIONS AT MEDJUGORJE IN BOSNIA

As I've said, I am a Pentecostal Methodist, not a Catholic. But I feel led of God to defend or at least present biblical perspectives on Catholic distinctives in the hope that they can receive a fair hearing. What interests me far more are the major apparitions of the Virgin Mary. Though the RC Church accepts the authenticity of Marian apparitions at Guadaloupe, Fatima, and Lourdes (among other locales), Rome has yet to pronounce on the validity of the more recent apparitions at Medjugorje in Bosnia from 1981 to the present. I have been impressed by the testimonies of very bright acquaintances (e.g. a lawyer and a behavior psychologist) whose lives have been changed by pilgrimages to Medjugorje, sharing in the visions and experiencing miracles while there. Countless millions of pilgrims have now visited the sites of these Bosnian visions. Please watch this BBC video on the origin of these Marian visions and share your reactions:

Medjugorje Documentary - Bing video

For me, the jury is out on these miraculous apparitions at Medjugorje because of the 10 epic secrets revealed by Mary to the children. The children know the dates on which these events will be fulfilled and promise to disclose the exact dates 3 days in advance of their fulfillment. From their remarks, it seems that some of these events are truly apocalyptic!

As for myself, I visited the alleged house of the Virgin Mary atop a majestic little mountain outside of Ephesus in Turkey and I sensed the loving presence of the Holy Spirit there more powerfully than I did in my trips to biblical sites in Greece and Israel. I visited this house during a "Footsteps of St. Paul" tour out of curiosity arising from a spectacular healing miracle experienced there by a highly skeptical Methodist friend who had visited Mary's house previously. I'll share that experience in greater detail in future posts. Please watch the video before you post a reaction!

Hi have you seen this documentary? Three of the six seers are taken by scientists who conducted a whole series of tests on them...
It's very interesting...

 

[Grailhunter]

Mark 12:26-27
But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, and the God of Jacob’? “He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken.”

And Christ talked to Elijah and Moses during the Transfiguration.

I really do not understand how some can be so confused. Christ explained it Himself. I mean what does it take?

Now I can understand some of the confusion as to exactly what happens after death and where do people (souls) go. It was not well explained in the scriptures. So I give them that.

Smarter than your average bear. I can worship in a Cathedral during the Stations of the Cross...so beautiful and a wonderful blessing.

I can go to the altar with the congregation in a non-denominational church and lay hands on someone with a disease and watch the oil be applied and witness a healing.

I can stand with the Holy Ghost churches and be blessed with prophecy and tongues. I can worship the Holy Spirit and feel the presence like it is a warm wind. You can almost see the Holy Spirit move among the congregation.

I have participated in river baptisms and full dinner ritual communions.

I have washed the feet of the saints.

I have witnessed so many miracles I have lost count.

I have had angelic visitations, one that save my mom's life and one that allowed me to save the life of another that had went down in a lake at night.

The Blessed Mary appeared and spoke to me, more than once. Once in the heat of battle, telling me which way to go....the other way was hit with an RPG. She saved eight of us that day.

I can fellowship with the Catholics and the Protestants and the Mormons and have a blast. Eat like I have two stomachs.

But I can also tick you all off. I am going to explain something here that you do not know.
People debate exactly what Christ meant when he told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in Paradise.

People talk about going to heaven or hell after they die. There is even a religion out there that suggest that judgement more or less occurred before the creation of the world. Predestinationists...Yuke!

Christians are not all that well versed with shoal.
Catholics believe in a realm of Purgatory....a punishment...for those that are iffy.

Here is real deal.
You cannot go to heaven or hell before judgement....unless God takes you in bodily form. Like Enoch, Elijah, and Mary.

In the OT all the Jews were gathered with their fathers in Sheol. There are Christians that believe that the OT Jews went to hell. I can tell you for sure and certain that God is not going to give up on the Jews. It does not matter how rebellious they are, how arrogant they are, no matter how many things they have done wrong to mess themselves over, God will not give up on them. That is why I was honored to stand and fight between Israel and its enemies.

Shoal has many levels. When you die your soul does not die, it does not become dormant, it goes to Shoal. Depending on your character and sins and if you are saved or not, your soul goes to the level of like character and condition. The lower levels of Sheol are not to unlike hell. The top level is Paradise, not to unlike heaven.
Christ went to Shoal after He departed from His body on the cross to preach the Gospel to those there. Jews and everybody else. Paradise is a wonderful place. That is why Christ said to the thief that he would be with Him in Paradise.

But your final destination is not determined until judgment day and you will "stand before Christ" to be judged.

So the body dies but the soul lives on. Christ can talk to those in Sheol. This is what happened at the Transfiguration. This is why Christ said that God is not the God of the dead. So this "talking to the dead" junk is for those that do not understand...as Christ said, they are greatly mistaken.

Mary was taken in bodily form and even before that she was changed with her contact with God and Christ in her womb. Now she is an envoy of God doing the will of God. All over the world for 1955 years, prophesying, healing, performing miracles, and doing the will of Christ. I have seen her glorious presence, heard her sweet voice...one of the greatest moments of my life!

Now Bon appétit, it means nothing to me if you believe me or not. But you have been told.

 

[kcnalp]

I have no problem with you not believing what the Catholic Church believes.
Some aberrations have been seen by thousands.
People can say anything and some of those things will come back to haunt them.
Then associating Mary with demons and fake and making fun of her....better you than me.
I have no need or desire to prove any of this to you. Believe what you wish.

How do you know Mary from the Devil? Because he sweet talks you?

2 Corinthians 11
14 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, ...

 

[Grailhunter]

How do you know Mary from the Devil? Because he sweet talks you?

2 Corinthians 11
14 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, ...

lol You have a fertile mind!

 

[Illuminator]

How do you know Mary from the Devil? Because he sweet talks you?

2 Corinthians 11
14 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, ...

The devil tells people to turn to Jesus??? That is always the main theme in all Marian apparitions! A house divided against itself cannot stand!!! Do you really need the chapter and verse???
55 Critiques of John Calvin: Introduction & Master List

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

 

[Illuminator]

Abraham's Body was dead and Buried in a cave...
AND Abraham's Living Soul "WAS" in Hell!!

I doubt very much you can find a single member of this entire board to agree with this insanity. You have no credibility whatsoever to be making comments on Scripture.

 

[Illuminator]

Atheist Harvard Prof Says Supernatural Vision of Our Lady Led Him to Catholicism: She Was “Indescribably Beautiful”

[/QUOTE]

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

Mark 12:26-27
But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, and the God of Jacob’? “He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken.”

And Christ talked to Elijah and Moses during the Transfiguration.

I really do not understand how some can be so confused. Christ explained it Himself. I mean what does it take?

Now I can understand some of the confusion as to exactly what happens after death and where do people (souls) go. It was not well explained in the scriptures. So I give them that.

Smarter than your average bear. I can worship in a Cathedral during the Stations of the Cross...so beautiful and a wonderful blessing.

I can go to the altar with the congregation in a non-denominational church and lay hands on someone with a disease and watch the oil be applied and witness a healing.

I can stand with the Holy Ghost churches and be blessed with prophecy and tongues. I can worship the Holy Spirit and feel the presence like it is a warm wind. You can almost see the Holy Spirit move among the congregation.

I have participated in river baptisms and full dinner ritual communions.

I have washed the feet of the saints.

I have witnessed so many miracles I have lost count.

I have had angelic visitations, one that save my mom's life and one that allowed me to save the life of another that had went down in a lake at night.

The Blessed Mary appeared and spoke to me, more than once. Once in the heat of battle, telling me which way to go....the other way was hit with an RPG. She saved eight of us that day.

I can fellowship with the Catholics and the Protestants and the Mormons and have a blast. Eat like I have two stomachs.

But I can also tick you all off. I am going to explain something here that you do not know.
People debate exactly what Christ meant when he told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him in Paradise.

People talk about going to heaven or hell after they die. There is even a religion out there that suggest that judgement more or less occurred before the creation of the world. Predestinationists...Yuke!

Christians are not all that well versed with shoal.
Catholics believe in a realm of Purgatory....a punishment...for those that are iffy.

Here is real deal.
You cannot go to heaven or hell before judgement....unless God takes you in bodily form. Like Enoch, Elijah, and Mary.

In the OT all the Jews were gathered with their fathers in Sheol. There are Christians that believe that the OT Jews went to hell. I can tell you for sure and certain that God is not going to give up on the Jews. It does not matter how rebellious they are, how arrogant they are, no matter how many things they have done wrong to mess themselves over, God will not give up on them. That is why I was honored to stand and fight between Israel and its enemies.

Shoal has many levels. When you die your soul does not die, it does not become dormant, it goes to Shoal. Depending on your character and sins and if you are saved or not, your soul goes to the level of like character and condition. The lower levels of Sheol are not to unlike hell. The top level is Paradise, not to unlike heaven.
Christ went to Shoal after He departed from His body on the cross to preach the Gospel to those there. Jews and everybody else. Paradise is a wonderful place. That is why Christ said to the thief that he would be with Him in Paradise.

But your final destination is not determined until judgment day and you will "stand before Christ" to be judged.

So the body dies but the soul lives on. Christ can talk to those in Sheol. This is what happened at the Transfiguration. This is why Christ said that God is not the God of the dead. So this "talking to the dead" junk is for those that do not understand...as Christ said, they are greatly mistaken.

Mary was taken in bodily form and even before that she was changed with her contact with God and Christ in her womb. Now she is an envoy of God doing the will of God. All over the world for 1955 years, prophesying, healing, performing miracles, and doing the will of Christ. I have seen her glorious presence, heard her sweet voice...one of the greatest moments of my life!

Now Bon appétit, it means nothing to me if you believe me or not. But you have been told.

Was the sweet voice in koine Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew?

 

[Taken]

I doubt very much you can find a single member of this entire board to agree with this insanity.

Agree with "this" insanity?

You are saying it is "insanity" to believe;
Abraham's Body was dead and Buried?

LOL- fascinating!

You are saying it is "insanity" to believe;
Abraham's Living Soul was in hell having a conversation with an unsaved soul, whose body was also dead and Buried?

LOL- fascinating!

You have no credibility whatsoever to be making comments on Scripture.

eh, your opinion of my creditably is...
Well...utterly irrelevant!

I am not convinced you and I have the same meaning; of what Scriptures are.

I would say a Christians meaning of Scripture is Limited to Biblical Text.

Obviously, can't say for you ... if you are a Christian, if you have a limited Text of Biblical Scriptures or if you Reject or Scoff at Biblical Text as Gods Authority for men to believe and use.

Instead of telling me About me, whom you do not know...

Why not tell the forum about you...?
Your creditability...? and "your correction of Bible Text?"

You can start with...
Correcting:
Gen 25: 8-9
regarding Abraham's death and Burial

Then you can correct Jesus' Teaching of Abraham having a conversation in Hell, with a rich man.
Luke 16: 19-31

Oh, and be sure to identify "your" source you rely on for " your corrections ".

Hurry...we are waiting!

 

[Taken]

Apparitions of the Virgin Mary
OP ^

How does a person determine what they are seeing is Mary?

 

[Grailhunter]

Was the sweet voice in koine Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew?

it was in English and she did not even need an interpreter... same thing with the Angels...but thanks for asking.

 

[Candidus]

How does that detract from the thousands that turned to Jesus and were healed??? Verified by written testimony and medical science???

Prove it!

Explain the Millions of failures while you are at it!

Anecdotal "evidence" is weak. If God actually healed anybody, it was not because of Mary, but because God is merciful.
Lourdes finds cure for lack of miracles: a less strict definition

 

[Candidus]

Not just any woman, but 'the woman'
Seen here:

I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel."

And again here:

A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.

Note that none of the passages you cite say that Mary is the object of worship.

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel."

The focus is not so much "the woman" as it is the "offspring" that will strike the devil's head.

"A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars."

A highly symbolic and mystic passage from Revelation. The commentators are all over the place on the meaning of the vision. Some would say it speaks of Mary, and most believe that it represents the Church. Since the chapter in question goes on to discuss the conflict with the Dragon (a Serpent), I would be in agreement with you that this likely represents "the Woman" which is Mary.

Yet this would not elevate her to and object of worship, or Co-Redeemer status. Genesis 3:15 is the first prophecy about redemption after the Fall. The advent of Jesus could not occur without the "seed of woman," a virgin birth... a "woman"... Mary. But the "cause" of redemption is Jesus Christ, not "the woman."

There is no doubt that Scripture honors Mary, yet never elevates her to be an object of worship. I can think of no higher honor, to be thought worthy of bearing the Son of God, and he heavy burden of being responsible for the upbringing of the Messiah who would strike the death-blow to the head of the Serpent.

The focus is never the vehicle, whether it be Mary or the Holy Spirit, but the reality and work or Jesus Christ.

 

[Candidus]

Apparitions of the Virgin Mary
OP ^

How does a person determine what they are seeing is Mary?

The pictures and statues in the Roman Catholic Church of course!

 

[Candidus]

Atheist Harvard Prof Says Supernatural Vision of Our Lady Led Him to Catholicism: She Was “Indescribably Beautiful”

An unbeliever had an encounter with a demon and it converted him...

Not impressed!

 

[Candidus]

Atheist Harvard Prof Says Supernatural Vision of Our Lady Led Him to Catholicism: She Was “Indescribably Beautiful”

A vision that proves that Roman Catholicism is demonic!
BETH MOORE AND KEN SILVA DISCUSS HER DEMONIC VISION : Apprising Ministries

One Vision is as much "credible proof" as another... right?

 

[Illuminator]

Prove it!

Explain the Millions of failures while you are at it!

Anecdotal "evidence" is weak. If God actually healed anybody, it was not because of Mary, but because God is merciful.

I have repeated over and over again, that Mary doesn't heal anybody, God does. And St. Paul wasn't healed of his "thorn in the flesh", so according to your logic, because not everybody gets healed, nobody gets healed.

To those who believe, evidence is not necessary. To those who refuse to believe, no amount of evidence will suffice.

You probably have never attended a Protestant healing service where some get healed, or defy the testimony of Protestants who do get healed. It's all worthless anectodals to you. You have the faith of an atheist.

 

[Illuminator]

Candius albicans will be ignored for giving credit to Satan for the work that God does.