Illuminator
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Nowhere in any Catholic document over a 2000 year period where it is said that Mary is an object of worship. It's a stupid canard charged by angry hateful anti-Catholics bigots. Period.
Apparitions of the Virgin Mary
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If not bowing to a Plastic Mary Idol gives credit to Satan, I can't imagine what other nonsense you require in the name of what "God does."
Illuminator
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It amazes me that people comment on a video they never watched. Or worse, watch it with blinders on and invincible preconceptions.
Illuminator
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"Co" in co-redeemer, co-Mediatrix, etc. is Collaborator. Mary "assisted" in our redemption and she assists in our mediation with Christ.
This context does not give Mary equal status with Christ, or usurp Christ in anyway. She, rather, merely cooperated and collaborated with Christ.
In a sense we, too, are co-mediators every time we pray for someone. We are offering intercession/mediation for our friend when we pray for them. This does not make us God or equal with God, it only means that we are cooperating with the economy of God when he asked us to be a family and pray for each other.
In terms of Mary as co-redeemer, she did in fact, cooperate in the redemption. When she made her fiat to accept God's will for her to bear the Christ Child she was cooperating in the redemption of mankind for it was through her that the Redeemer came into the world.
The solution to problems like this is not suppression but education.
"co" just simply does NOT mean "equal to".
As for Judas, no he was NOT co-redeemer. Jesus could have been crucified without Judas' help. Jesus could have been arrested at any time whenever he was in public. In fact, Jesus mentions this in the Garden when he was arrested. Judas happened to be the instrument of Jesus' arrest, but was not necessary for Jesus' arrest. This is different than with Mary...
Mary's role was not incidental but REQUIRED. Jesus, to be incarnated, HAD to be born of a woman, otherwise he would not be human and thus could not be the redeemer.
Mary's collaboration was required; Judas' participation was not, but was incidental.
At this time the theory of co-redeemer is not Church dogma, and is not binding for belief by the faithful. But the concept should not wrinkle our shirts if we understand the nature of her role in the incarnation and the true meaning of "co".
This context does not give Mary equal status with Christ, or usurp Christ in anyway. She, rather, merely cooperated and collaborated with Christ.
In a sense we, too, are co-mediators every time we pray for someone. We are offering intercession/mediation for our friend when we pray for them. This does not make us God or equal with God, it only means that we are cooperating with the economy of God when he asked us to be a family and pray for each other.
In terms of Mary as co-redeemer, she did in fact, cooperate in the redemption. When she made her fiat to accept God's will for her to bear the Christ Child she was cooperating in the redemption of mankind for it was through her that the Redeemer came into the world.
The solution to problems like this is not suppression but education.
"co" just simply does NOT mean "equal to".
As for Judas, no he was NOT co-redeemer. Jesus could have been crucified without Judas' help. Jesus could have been arrested at any time whenever he was in public. In fact, Jesus mentions this in the Garden when he was arrested. Judas happened to be the instrument of Jesus' arrest, but was not necessary for Jesus' arrest. This is different than with Mary...
Mary's role was not incidental but REQUIRED. Jesus, to be incarnated, HAD to be born of a woman, otherwise he would not be human and thus could not be the redeemer.
Mary's collaboration was required; Judas' participation was not, but was incidental.
At this time the theory of co-redeemer is not Church dogma, and is not binding for belief by the faithful. But the concept should not wrinkle our shirts if we understand the nature of her role in the incarnation and the true meaning of "co".
She... "Mary" does nothing of the sort. She is dead. She does nothing in the way of "assisting" anybody. So "Co-" no matter what definition is put on it, does not apply to Mary.
Illuminator
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YeshuaFan1
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Mary is given the titles and priority in Catholic theology high enough to almost make her another person of the "Trinity"
YeshuaFan1
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We worship and pray to Jesus alone, not to mary, or any Apostles!
YeshuaFan1
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many Catholics do actually commit the heresy of worshiping and praying to her though!
Do you not worship and pray to the Father?
Do you not worship and pray to the Holy Spirit?
You're so brave!
Luke 16:23 says what? "And in Hades" (NASB)
"and in Hell" (KJV)
"In his torment in Hades" (Jerusalem Bible)
"in Hell" (NIV)
YeshuaFan1
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Well, ain't that special!
Not really, because everyone who has physically died "In Christ" is alive there too!
Mary is "special".... just like everyone else!
So you admit now that your claim "She is dead" was a false claim.
Rather like your other claims.
YeshuaFan1
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