You make a choice.
Say your boss wants you to fudge the books or be fired.
What would you do?
The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS
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You make a choice.
Say your boss wants you to fudge the books or be fired.
What would you do?
BarneyFife
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You should ask the Holy Ghost. He is the Author. I try to keep the 3rd commandment.
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BarneyFife
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BarneyFife
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It is kind of a mindblower when you think about it.
But it is clear that if you fear the LORD, you shall not depart from Him (Jeremiah 32:38-40 (kjv)).
And that if you have the fear of the LORD, it is something that will endure for ever (Psalms 19:9 (kjv)).
I think that the key is to take into account those scriptures that tell you that you might fall away and realize that as long as you take them into account, and heed them, you cannot depart from God. And, since no one is able to snatch you out of His hand, that amounts to eternal security, as long as you heed the warnings of the Lord that He has given in His word.
It is kind of like if you were living on a plateau and were blind; and the Lord placed a sound-emitter at the center of the plateau, and told you that as long as you stay in range of the sound, you cannot fall over the edge of the cliff.
There are certain boundaries to walk in; and as long as we walk within those boundaries, we cannot lose our salvation.
Add to this, the fact that if you have been truly born again, you have been sealed by the Holy Spirit and that therefore He is going to motivate you to stay within those boundaries; even to the extent that you cannot violate the boundaries.
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Eternally Grateful
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I never said it was an excuse
John said if we say we have no sin we are deceived
I do not think the fact I continue to fail to love perfectly Means I am excusing my sin
but I do think as John said if we think we are without sin (perfect) we are deceived and in reality excusing the sin we are commuting yet denying (or declaring it is not sin)
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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Pray and give it to Jesus. I have been in a similar position to this, and I just walked away.
Any company that tolerates this behaviour is going down.
You did not really answer my question.
So sadly your authority or source of whats right appears unclear.
But then if you have no stake in the outcomes, what does it matter what happens or how you behave?
I know my stake and why I love Jesus and His Kingdom and the witness to working for God our lives needs to become.
My soul is Already Saved,
Because Jesus paid the price, offered me Salvation and I agreed to accept and claimed His Offer.
My Soul is Saved unto the Glory of God and my glory.
I had that happen to me. I refused. Funny how things work out. The boss kept me employed, Because I refused to cheat!
Because Jesus paid the price, offered me Salvation and I agreed to accept and claimed His Offer.
My Soul is Saved unto the Glory of God and my glory.
I had that happen to me. I refused. Funny how things work out. The boss kept me employed, Because I refused to cheat!
Just a question for you...
If I clean all of the dirt off of my body, can I say honestly that my body is without dirt?
If I am cleansed from all sin, can I therefore say that I am without sin, honestly?
Apparently there is more to this than meets the eye...
I like to apply Matthew 8:1-4 to 1 John 1:8.
The leper was cleansed completely of his leprosy....but Jesus told him to tell no man, but to show himself to the priests.
In other words, if the truth is in you, you realize that the testimony is not in what you say but in what you do.
You don't tell people that you have been cleansed...you show them.
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Would you lie to keep your kid out of jail?
Or would you do the right thing, even though your kid would go to jail?
The Consequence is obviously negative for you doing the right thing.
IOW, do you love your kid so much you would lie for him?
Or do you love your kid so much you would Not teach him to lie?
Consequences May be negative, when one does the right thing.
The negative consequence is more important than teaching a kid to lie.
Thus love is doing what IS right, regardless of the Consequences.
Eternally Grateful
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So this has gone to we can be perfect conversation (without sin) to a how we should act conversation
smh
Jesus says something very simple, we are to love Him more than anything else.
Sadly you polarise a situation where I stand back and say simply, we do that which honours the Lord.
We do not have to disclose information, so we neither confirm nor deny anything.
The problem with the idea that everything is black and white, and consequences are fair is this is not true.
As Jesus spoke to the woman caught in adultery, the question is not guilt, but what are you going to do in the future.
For those standing in judgement, where you any different at this age, and what benefit was it to treat everything like a simple situation.
Unfortunately our prisons are full of people with personality disorders and behavioural problems. Punishing them with locking them up solves nothing other than is very expensive and stops them causing trouble in the open community. But often they become drug addicts and learn how to get deeper into trouble.
So when you talk black and white, you have already got it wrong. God bless you
Eternally Grateful
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Nope
one is a state of perfection
the other is a work of sanctification which takes a lifetime
one is claiming we are sinless which John said we are decieved
the other is walking the race and allowing him who began a good work in us to Complete it
Not sure why you can not see the difference
We are not made sinless; while we can be perfected (Hebrews 10:14, 1 John 3:9, 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv); Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6).
We are perfected in that while sin still does continue to dwell in our mortal flesh, it is rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).
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