And that's it, you found two implicit, at best, passages, and have completely ignored everything that I said earlier.
And these two passages, for starters, are meant to substantiate the most incomprehensible doctrine in all of Christendom?
No one denies the existence of the Father (God), Son (pre-eminent creation), Holy Spirit (gift from God to impower the elect). This, by no means, makes them all God.
You are unfamiliar with the principle of spiritual oneness in the Bible? Man and his wife shall become one, King David and Jonathan became one, Jesus told all his disciples to become one in the same manner the he and the Father are one.
DW, excuse me, but, you have to see how absolutely absurd you just sounded. You didn't even come with 100 miles in refuting a single thing that I said. Therefore, I will hold back from divulging anything further, until I see a bit more seriousness or competence from you. i don't mean to sound arrogant or harsh, but please appreciate why I'm taking this stance right now.
The principle of oneness is obviously a key issue in scripture, because the idea of light and darkness, being in agreement or being in fear and obedience through intimidation are key themes of creation and God.
If one accepts that Jesus was unusual to normal men, he showed an authority and understanding far beyond any other.
The key issue then is who is Jesus? When did He have a beginning?
19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Colossians 1:19
57 "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
John 8:57-58
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
John 1:14
John is telling us that the Word is Jesus, and as such He is eternal and God.
Jesus goes on to say, seeing Him is the same as seeing the Father.
It is possible to take some of the references and suggest Jesus was a man who God exalted up to a special status, but had a beginning as a man, born and created. The problem is though this fits a lot of the images, it does not fit the whole picture John paints, of Jesus being the Word and the Word being part of the Father, but appears as Jesus on earth.
Conceptually the point is does part of the Father expressed in a creation form, is that God or part of creation?
I realised everything that is eternal is God, and you cannot deny its expression as a partial expression of who He is, not the whole.
It is this point of a partial expression which is the issue. It is why Paul talks about Jesus rejecting equality with God to become a man.
Equally there is a sense in which by us gaining eternal life, when have a similarity with God. But we are created and have a beginning, Jesus did not. I realise this issue is impossible for some, like the Pharisees who wanted to stone Jesus for calling God His Father.
In one sense in our terms the issue is awareness. We see through our eyes only, not through multiple eyes of people. This defines our individuality. In the trinity, one is not saying there is one awareness or individual, but rather 3 individuals who are one.
Another thought exploration is what defines an individual and their expression. Gods word is His expressed will and concepts. Jesus as an expression of this cannot become something that disagrees with the Father, because He is Gods expression of who He is. There is no objectivity or different balance, one is the other completely. To accept this one has to agree that we are the sum of our thoughts, intentions, actions, choices. If we were identical to another person, we could be called one. If in the origins sense we were the same at source, then this is not just the same expression but the one essence in two individuals. This theme is carried on by Paul to say we should be one in thought and actions within the body of Christ. Again this was a desire Jesus expressed
22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
John 17:22
What for me is strange is the sense of outrage, that Jesus could be God.
Jesus appearing to the disciples after the resurrection, was all the signs of God rather than a human person waiting for the resurrection at the end of time. What is something unusual, is Jesus's statement that He had to leave for the Holy Spirit to come.
It was probably a question of ministry. If Jesus was there, the Holy Spirits ministry of teaching the disciples about what Jesus said and wants them to say is not needed, because Jesus could do it Himself. And the ministry of the Holy Spirit meant, thousands, millions of people can hear God speaking to their hearts at the same time, not restricted by location or time zone etc.