Hell Fire

[Taken]

Jesus gave His soul for sins.
Jesus gave His soul for sins.

Disagree

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith,Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, [/B] but a body hast thou prepared me:[/B]
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through theoffering of the
body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

As we see, a soul can die.

Body's are Mortal. They die a mortal Physical death.

Soul's are not Mortal. They can not die a mortal Physical death.

Death, like many words in Scripture-
Have TWO meanings / and Understandings.

Death "understanding", according to a man's Natural understanding- is Succession of Life.
No Life= Dead!

Death "understanding", according to Spiritual Understanding- IS Separation From God.

A man's Body- without God, is Spiritually Dead.
A man's Soul- without God, is Spiritually Dead.
A man's Spirit- Without God is Spiritually Dead.

A Saved Living soul- Shall Forever Keep Gods Life IN it.
An unsaved Living soul- IS SENT to Hell, when it's Body dies. The soul in Hell sees, feels, hears, speaks, smells...the Torments of Hell.

An unsaved soul experiences, exactly what the man Chose in his BODILY LIFE- to Be Separated From God. But God has not Departed His LIFE from that Soul- Precisely So that Living Soul Can Experience Separation From God.

While that Soul was IN the Man's BODY and the Body ALIVE...that man Experienced: Beautiful Things ON Earth;
Comfortable feeling, pleasant smells, beautiful things to see, Conversation, beautiful sounds...YET REJECTED God, who created beautiful things.

A Formed Body is Gods Creation.
Formed with Physical:
Skin, Eyes, Ears, Nose, Mouth....
Awesome----except in Creation...
NONE of those things (senses) Functioned!

UNTIL- God blew His Life into that Body.

You shoul have learned what was NOT before Known....the soul IS ALIVE Senses....
(Luke 16:19-31)

Body's are dead and buried.
The soul, With Gods Life continues Living-
(With God or without God)
With God, in Comfort.
Without God, in Torments.
And that Living soul continues with all the Senses, that were Alive, (IN the Body) are still Alive in the soul, outside of the Body.

AFTER Judgement-
Spiritual Living Saved Souls will be UNITED with its IMMORTAL raised body.
Spiritual Living Unsaved Souls will be Judged Against God-
Then Gods Life will Return To Him...
And the Body AND Soul OF that man...
Destroyed.

The Body does NOT become the soul.
The Soul does NOT become the Body.
A Body and Living Soul in a man is an ALIVE man.
A Body without a Living Soul, is a physically dead man's body.
Souls are not from Dust, do not die and return to Dust.

Jesus taught TO save Your Soul.
Your body will die, no matter what.
Body's and souls are not the same thing.

together with the body form a living soul.

Disagree.

The Body doesn't "Form" anything.
The Body is the Form of a man.
The Soul is Life from God, that causes your Body's Senses to Function.

When the Body dies...the BLOOD (LIFE OF the Body) ceases; the brain, organs, heart, tissues, bones, completely Stop functioning-
It rots. The Body knows nothing.

The Living soul...departs the Body.

Any person in Scripture "raised" from the dead...Is Because the man's soul Re-Enters the body.

And even people TODAY- are clinically pronounced Mortally BODILY Dead...and then BODILY revive.
But yet, they speak of things they Saw during that time, they were BODILY dead.

How are Two BODILY Dead and buried men Having a Conversation? (Luke 16- 19-31)

Can you answer?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Even your JW's say you're wrong.
NWT "They will be tormented day and night forever and ever".

The torment you speak about in the NWT isn't literal pain. It means restraint. This is restraint in eternal death for ever and ever

 

[kcnalp]

Look when you can form an actual argument come back and talk. There's no point in addressing your contious deflections any longer.

Gee, I hope you don't spend eternity with Satan and the worst beings who ever lived, in the worst prison ever, with no parole, thinking about all the people who warned you.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Is that why JW's twist nearly everything in the Bible?

The fact that you dig at JW like you do shows you have no reasonable scriptural answer that proves you're right in what you say.
What God said to Adam was true when he told him he would experience death. The fact that God told Adam that he was dust and would return to dust from where he came shows that death means "cease to exist" because before God took dust from the ground Adam didn't exist. Also when God used the word thou(you) in Genesis 3:19 God wasn't talking to only part of Adam he was addressing the whole person Adam.

 

[kcnalp]

The torment you speak about in the NWT isn't literal pain. It means restraint. This is restraint in eternal death for ever and ever

Well gee, I certainly hope you don't spend eternity in the worst prison ever, with the worst beings who ever lived, with no parole thinking about all the warnings people gave you.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[kcnalp]

The fact that you dig at JW like you do shows you have no reasonable scriptural answer that proves you're right in what you say.

Who told you that? Kingdom Hall maybe?

What God said to Adam was true when he told him he would experience death. The fact that God told Adam that he was dust and would return to dust from where he came shows that death means "cease to exist" because before God took dust from the ground Adam didn't exist. Also when God used the word thou(you) in Genesis 3:19 God wasn't talking to only part of Adam he was addressing the whole person Adam.

You have my condolences. According to you YOU will "cease to exist" while God's children will be with Him in Paradise. Remember you said, "death means cease to exist"?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Gee, I hope you don't spend eternity with Satan and the worst beings who ever lived, in the worst prison ever, with no parole, thinking about all the people who warned you.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

You don't really know how to give a reasonable come back to what someone says to you. All you can do is makes digs at people and try to add to scripture to try to prove what you say, interesting.

 

[kcnalp]

You don't really know how to give a reasonable come back to what someone says to you. All you can do is makes digs at people and try to add to scripture to try to prove what you say, interesting.

There are no "reasonable comebacks" to JW's who twist nearly every Scripture in the Bible.

 

[kcnalp]

It's really sad watching JW's following Kingdom Hall to everlasting fire.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Well gee, I certainly hope you don't spend eternity in the worst prison ever, with the worst beings who ever lived, with no parole thinking about all the warnings people gave you.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

No one will be conscious of anything they will all be dead after thrown into the lake of fire. Death is the opposite of life. If you have life you're conscious of your surroundings if you're dead you're conscious of nothing. You can continue to deny death and say God was lying when he told Adam he would die if he ate from the forbidden tree. As long as you and others are saying that Adam exists somewhere else and didn't cease to have consciousness you're calling God a liar.

 

[kcnalp]

No one will be conscious of anything they will all be dead after thrown into the lake of fire. Death is the opposite of life. If you have life you're conscious of your surroundings if you're dead you're conscious of nothing. You can continue to deny death and say God was lying when he told Adam he would die if he ate from the forbidden tree. As long as you and others are saying that Adam exists somewhere else and didn't cease to have consciousness you're calling God a liar.

Your opinions are given to you by Kingdom Hall. And even they say you're wrong.
Rev 29 They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

There are no "reasonable comebacks" to JW's who twist nearly every Scripture in the Bible.

You're the one that's denying death, not JW. You're the one who is saying that Adam went somewhere else and still has consciousness which means you're saying Adam still lives, not JW. So it's you who twists things in Scripture, not JW.

 

[kcnalp]

You're the one that's denying death, not JW. You're the one who is saying that Adam went somewhere else and still has consciousness which means you're saying Adam still lives, not JW. So it's you who twists things in Scripture, not JW.

Don't be lying! I've never denied death. You said all of us who die will "cease to exist". Total insanity to say that and say you believe the Bible.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Your opinions are given to you by Kingdom Hall. And even they say you're wrong.
Rev 29 They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

You can continue to say people continue to have consciousness after they pass away. However you're still saying they have consciousness somewhere else. Basically like the pagans you believe that death is just a doorway to another plain of existence and that there is in actuality no death.

 

[kcnalp]

You can continue to say people continue to have consciousness after they pass away. However you're still saying they have consciousness somewhere else. Basically like the pagans you believe that death is just a doorway to another plain of existence and that there is in actuality no death.

Why are you avoiding Scripture?
NWT They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Only those blinded by Satan and heading for Hell don't understand.

 

[kcnalp]

Death means cease to exist

You're calling Jesus a liar?
John 3:16 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Don't be lying! I've never denied death. You said all of us who die will "cease to exist". Total insanity to say that and say you believe the Bible.

Kcnalp, you're the one who says people still have consciousness after death, not any JW. You do cease to exist, you have no consciousness after you pass away. You're the one who's saying a person does have consciousness and therefore still exists not me or any JW, so you do deny death.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Why are you avoiding Scripture?
NWT They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Only those blinded by Satan and heading for Hell don't understand.

Why do you keep denying death therefore keep denying the scriptures?

 

[kcnalp]

Kcnalp, you're the one who says people still have consciousness after death, not any JW.

Have you never read the NWT? NWT Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

You do cease to exist, you have no consciousness after you pass away. You're the one who's saying a person does have consciousness and therefore still exists not me or any JW, so you do deny death.

Should I believe you or Jesus?
John 3:16 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

 

[kcnalp]

Why do you keep denying death therefore keep denying the scriptures?

That's a lie.