Denominational Buffet

[01CobraVortech]

You can come over to my mansion any time Rob..................

Jesus Is Lord.

Brother Mike, you're always welcomed at mine and you can help yourself to anything. Just don't drink out of the carton. :lol:

 

[Selene]

Well the good thing about Heaven is that we'll be one denomination and I'm certainly anxious to see what real estate the Lord has waiting for me.

My faith teaches me that God comes first before any treasures in His kingdom. I am looking forward to meeting my Father face to face someday.

God bless, brother Robster and Brother Mike.

 

[01CobraVortech]

My faith teaches me that God comes first before any treasures in His kingdom. I am looking forward to meeting my Father face to face someday.

God bless, brother Robster and Brother Mike.

I totally agree with you. There are just some awesome things to come that are just inconceivable and impossible for the mind to conceptualize. An incourrupotible, perfect body. Seeing Heaven. Seeing millions upon millions of believers gathered together. Seeing Jesus' awesome appearance. Seeing what he looks like. So many crazy things that I can't even picture. God bless you brother Selene. Hey the Lord knows that I like pools, so hopefully He installed an Olympic sized one at my place. :lol: You can take a dip anytime. I just require that you wear sandals around the pool because I imagine plenty of lawyers will be saved. :lol:

 

[fivesense]

I believe that many pastors here in CB are asked so often, "what denimination?". I can't count the times I've been asked. My answer is Christian, non-deniminational. Then they ask "well who are you accountable to?". There are two types of people in God's eyes believers and non-believers. That is the end of denominational Buffet right there.The only title I'm interested in wearing is "a sinner saved by grace.". The only Words when all is said and done is "well done my good and faithful servant" which I would win only by His grace and righteousness, certainly not on my own. Love You All In Jesus Name..

It is quite understandable to query about denominational influence when encountering a fellow believer. The effects that creedalism has had on the Body, to cripple God's Spirit, has been profound. Not a one of us, I believe, has been immune to the poison of creeds and traditions. Such is the will of God.

To the extent that we are able to be conformed to the Word in this life determines our place in the coming eon, when we have become like Him as promised to us. Whatever we held to while on earth as truth and faith will find its corresponding value there. If it was notions and men's teachings instead of a true realization of God, that part of the Word in us will avail nothing and be removed. The things of truth, those things that the Lord Himself achieved in and through us will become the useful to Him for His purposes in reconciling the universe in subjection to Himself.


No effort to know truth is useless or worthless. Every false thing revealed, every error exposed in this life will eliminate the need to be stripped off of us at the dais of Christ. Ro 14:10 And thou, why dost thou judge thy brother? or again, thou, why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand at the tribunal of the Christ;

2C 5:10 for all of us it behoveth to be manifested before the tribunal of the Christ, that each one may receive the things done through the body, in reference to the things that he did, whether good or evil;

Though we have passed out of the wrath to come, and into the life of Christ already, we must still give an account and receive what we deserve. What was evil will be addressed and rectified, was was good and according to His purpose will remain. Those who harbor unforgiveness in their hearts toward fellow saints will no doubt experience great sorrow in that day.

Being called out by someone on what denomination you affilliate yourself with may be a sign that you are carrying creedal concepts and beliefs that do not line up with the Holy Spirit, and someone is taking notice. A true and faithful son of God will sense the defect, and red flags must give way to honesty and faith towards God. Mercy triumphs over judgment, at least in the plan of God.
fivesense

 

[Selene]

I totally agree with you. There are just some awesome things to come that are just inconceivable and impossible for the mind to conceptualize. An incourrupotible, perfect body. Seeing Heaven. Seeing millions upon millions of believers gathered together. Seeing Jesus' awesome appearance. Seeing what he looks like. So many crazy things that I can't even picture. God bless you brother Selene. Hey the Lord knows that I like pools, so hopefully He installed an Olympic sized one at my place.

You can take a dip anytime. I just require that you wear sandals around the pool because I imagine plenty of lawyers will be saved.

Yes, I agree. It would be awesome to see Heaven and most especially God. By the way, I'm a female.

I know that my avatar looks very masculine, but I"m Asian. My father was Asian and my mother's ancestors came from southeast Asia. I figured that having my Chinese symbol (a tiger) represents me quite well.

Your sister in Christ,
Selene

 

[01CobraVortech]

Yes, I agree. It would be awesome to see Heaven and most especially God. By the way, I'm a female.

I know that my avatar looks very masculine, but I"m Asian. My father was Asian and my mother's ancestors came from southeast Asia. I figured that having my Chinese symbol (a tiger) represents me quite well.

Your sister in Christ,
Selene

Thanks for clearing that up young lady. Eternity is going to be full of awesomeness.

 

[fivesense]

Thanks for clearing that up young lady. Eternity is going to be full of awesomeness.

Looks like Robster is getting in on the circus guys, trying to lend gravity to overly serious folk that we become. Bet jiggyfly comes up the winner in on the lighter side, although Brother Mike is packing an arsenal.
fivesense

Yes, I agree. It would be awesome to see Heaven and most especially God. By the way, I'm a female.

I know that my avatar looks very masculine, but I"m Asian. My father was Asian and my mother's ancestors came from southeast Asia. I figured that having my Chinese symbol (a tiger) represents me quite well.

Your sister in Christ,
Selene

Female tigers bite just as hard, Selene. Don't undersell yourself or try to bamboozle us.
fivesense

 

[Brother Mike]

Looks like Robster is getting in on the circus guys, trying to lend gravity to overly serious folk that we become. Bet jiggyfly comes up the winner in on the lighter side, although Brother Mike is packing an arsenal.
fivesense

After being in the Trenches with all seriousness, and laying the smacketh down on faulty doctrine, one has find a special place where being a Christian was fun............

Jesus is Lord.

 

[fivesense]

Hello Pastorlesofm,

But there are a lot of people who say that they have the Holy Spirit in them, and still you get different interpretations. So, how can one know for certain who is correct? The fact that there are over 30,000 different Christian sects is evidence that Scripture is difficult to interpret. For example, if I were to write the following statement:

I never said that you stole money.

People reading this above statement 2000 years from now can interprete this simple statement in 4 different ways:

1) "I never said that you stole money" could imply that it was another person who made the statement.

2) "I never said that YOU stole money" could imply that the person stated that it was someone else who stole the money.

3) "I never said that you STOLE money." could imply that the person meant that the money was borrowed rather than stolen.

4) "I never said that you stole MONEY." could imply that it was not money that was stolen but something else.

If it is possible to interpret this one statement into 4 different meanings, how much more the Bible?


In Christ,
Selene

I said to my canine companion today on our walk, "Are you a hot dog?"

He said, Do you mean am I a poser, wanting to look athletic and filled with prowess, and showing off?
Or, do you mean,
Am I something you want to eat, and you better keep me away from any kids?
Or, do you mean,
My body temperature is higher than normal because of the weather and that's the kind of animal I am?

Hot has a singular meaning: opposite of cold, measured temperature
Dog has a singular meaning: a member of the genus Canis

Translation does not change the meaning of a word, interpretation does. It is how the word is used that alters the meaning.

God recorded His words in the language of Greek for a reason. Its precision. The need to interpret that for us is obvious, but when using translations of the Scrolls and vellums, much mischief has occurred. It is the unwillingness of scholars in the past and present to assign a specific corresponding word to each Greek word in the Originals, that has resulted in the confusion you speak of.

A proper concordant study of any Greek word will give the earnest student of the Scripture sufficient light to determine what God meant when He said what He did. It is not as complicated as you make it to be. It is just laziness. The Holy Spirit does not employ laziness to advance the saints in maturity.
fivesense

 

[jerryjohnson]

I said to my canine companion today on our walk, "Are you a hot dog?"

He said, Do you mean am I a poser, wanting to look athletic and filled with prowess, and showing off?
Or, do you mean,
Am I something you want to eat, and you better keep me away from any kids?
Or, do you mean,
My body temperature is higher than normal because of the weather and that's the kind of animal I am?

Hot has a singular meaning: opposite of cold, measured temperature
Dog has a singular meaning: a member of the genus Canis

Translation does not change the meaning of a word, interpretation does. It is how the word is used that alters the meaning.

God recorded His words in the language of Greek for a reason. Its precision. The need to interpret that for us is obvious, but when using translations of the Scrolls and vellums, much mischief has occurred. It is the unwillingness of scholars in the past and present to assign a specific corresponding word to each Greek word in the Originals, that has resulted in the confusion you speak of.

A proper concordant study of any Greek word will give the earnest student of the Scripture sufficient light to determine what God meant when He said what He did. It is not as complicated as you make it to be. It is just laziness. The Holy Spirit does not employ laziness to advance the saints in maturity.
fivesense

HOGWASH!

How long have you studied Greek? How long have you studied Hebrew? Do you know the different parts of speech in the Greek text that can change the meaning of a particular word?

 

[jiggyfly]

HOGWASH!

How long have you studied Greek? How long have you studied Hebrew? Do you know the different parts of speech in the Greek text that can change the meaning of a particular word?

I am a novice and only been at a couple of years. How about you Jerry?

 

[jerryjohnson]

I am a novice and only been at a couple of years. How about you Jerry?

Greek: 30 years.

Hebrew: 26 years.

Did you know that contrary to what pastorles, I think, said in a post in another topic, that the NT Greek text was written without punctuation or space between paragraphs or sentences and words? And although Greek and Hebrew are precise languages a number of the words used in the Greek NT text are only used once, or twice? And because of the differences between Classical Greek and Biblical Greek it is difficult to know the exact meaning of those words in the mind of the writer? And that Biblical Greek is even different than modern Greek?

Sometimes in our daily conversations we use words that actually mean something different in print than in the way we are using then called “figures of speech” "It's raining cats and dogs" or "I'll give you a piece of my mind" , "Break a leg." Greek and Hebrew have the same types of “figures of speech,” Paul’s use of the word “works” verses James use of the word “work.”

 

[Brother Mike]

Great, I know like 3 Greek words.......... Guess I don't measure up here..........

hasta luego.......... I think it means see you latter

Diablo: Which is a great game and I think means devil

and Christ, which is still Greek.....................

The Holy Spirit though shows me things to Come, and guides me into all truth.................

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[jiggyfly]

Greek: 30 years.

Hebrew: 26 years.

Thats fantastic, where did you study? Do you speak Greek and or Hebrew as well and if so what dialects do you speak?

 

[Selene]

I said to my canine companion today on our walk, "Are you a hot dog?"

He said, Do you mean am I a poser, wanting to look athletic and filled with prowess, and showing off?
Or, do you mean,
Am I something you want to eat, and you better keep me away from any kids?
Or, do you mean,
My body temperature is higher than normal because of the weather and that's the kind of animal I am?

Hot has a singular meaning: opposite of cold, measured temperature
Dog has a singular meaning: a member of the genus Canis

Translation does not change the meaning of a word, interpretation does. It is how the word is used that alters the meaning.

God recorded His words in the language of Greek for a reason. Its precision. The need to interpret that for us is obvious, but when using translations of the Scrolls and vellums, much mischief has occurred. It is the unwillingness of scholars in the past and present to assign a specific corresponding word to each Greek word in the Originals, that has resulted in the confusion you speak of.

A proper concordant study of any Greek word will give the earnest student of the Scripture sufficient light to determine what God meant when He said what He did. It is not as complicated as you make it to be. It is just laziness. The Holy Spirit does not employ laziness to advance the saints in maturity.
fivesense

Translation can change the meaning of a word because all languages are different. For example, in my native language, the word "He," "She" and "It" are the same. In my language, the word is "guiya." In the Hebrew language, these pronouns are also identical. The word "brother" in my native language could also mean "cousin" simply because of the extended family system. An Arab Christian told me that in her language, her word for "brother" can also mean "cousin." In the Hebrew language, it is also the same.

 

[fivesense]

Translation can change the meaning of a word because all languages are different. For example, in my native language, the word "He," "She" and "It" are the same. In my language, the word is "guiya." In the Hebrew language, these pronouns are also identical. The word "brother" in my native language could also mean "cousin" simply because of the extended family system. An Arab Christian told me that in her language, her word for "brother" can also mean "cousin." In the Hebrew language, it is also the same.

This is my point Selene, The Greek language is extremely precise, not like other languages such as your example where one word can be interpreted He, She, or It. There is very little room in its construct for the errors common in translating other languages

Each Greek word has a singular meaning, which stays the same until its usage in context. It is the context that determines meaning, not the word. The word stays the same. Black is not white, dog is not cat, these are the root and singular meanings of a word. How we use it in a sentence may change the meaning, but only as it is connected to other words. By itself, it does not change. That is the precision I am talking of.

Translating Greek cannot change the meaning of a Greek word. It means what it means, it is so precise that God chose to use it to convey His message to us for that very reason. It cannot be tampered with.

However, "scholars" may decide, due to bias,to ADD meanings to a Greek word that do not exist, in order to persuade others to see things as they do, as most modern translations of the Writings do, but that is interpretation, not translation. There is a difference.
fivesense

 

[Selene]

This is my point Selene, The Greek language is extremely precise, not like other languages such as your example where one word can be interpreted He, She, or It. There is very little room in its construct for the errors common in translating other languages

Each Greek word has a singular meaning, which stays the same until its usage in context. It is the context that determines meaning, not the word. The word stays the same. Black is not white, dog is not cat, these are the root and singular meanings of a word. How we use it in a sentence may change the meaning, but only as it is connected to other words. By itself, it does not change. That is the precision I am talking of.

Translating Greek cannot change the meaning of a Greek word. It means what it means, it is so precise that God chose to use it to convey His message to us for that very reason. It cannot be tampered with.

However, "scholars" may decide, due to bias,to ADD meanings to a Greek word that do not exist, in order to persuade others to see things as they do, as most modern translations of the Writings do, but that is interpretation, not translation. There is a difference.
fivesense

I agree. Translating Hebrew into Greek also poses a problem. Scholars have also noted that the Gospel of Matthew, for example, was originally written in Hebrew because of the many Hebrew idioms. Then later translated into Greek.

 

[jerryjohnson]

I agree. Translating Hebrew into Greek also poses a problem. Scholars have also noted that the Gospel of Matthew, for example, was originally written in Hebrew because of the many Hebrew idioms. Then later translated into Greek.

HOGWASH!

 

[jiggyfly]

HOGWASH!

You seem to wash a lot of hogs here lately. Why even comment if you have no constructive criticism to offer, no scripture no study nothing but negative opinion.

There's an old saying Jerry "if everything stinks check your mustache".

This is my point Selene, The Greek language is extremely precise, not like other languages such as your example where one word can be interpreted He, She, or It. There is very little room in its construct for the errors common in translating other languages

Each Greek word has a singular meaning, which stays the same until its usage in context. It is the context that determines meaning, not the word. The word stays the same. Black is not white, dog is not cat, these are the root and singular meanings of a word. How we use it in a sentence may change the meaning, but only as it is connected to other words. By itself, it does not change. That is the precision I am talking of.

Translating Greek cannot change the meaning of a Greek word. It means what it means, it is so precise that God chose to use it to convey His message to us for that very reason. It cannot be tampered with.

However, "scholars" may decide, due to bias,to ADD meanings to a Greek word that do not exist, in order to persuade others to see things as they do, as most modern translations of the Writings do, but that is interpretation, not translation. There is a difference.
fivesense

Very good posts Fivesense. This is where even Young's literal creates some difficulty. Dynamic translations are sometime more accurate towards conveying the original thought of the context.

 

[Selene]

HOGWASH!

Evalo Shalom.