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What you are describing is an emotional impression and disappointment when the postal votes evened things up and slowly in swing states brought in Bidens way.

This is not evidence of fraud, just counting the postal ballots to balance with the recorded ballots on the day or before. All postal ballots could have been pre-counted to stop this effect, but it is obvious this was the effect.

Claiming fraud is just that an unproven claim. I could claim you are a fantastic person, who always makes good judgements and is very social. But my claim is just a claim, because I do not know. When the evidence comes in, then that is proof.

The evidence of the vote is vote counting. To claim the counting is wrong you have to prove it, because the count can be audited and checked to make sure it is correct. This is not shutting your minds off, it is just a dream that appears to have been shattered. And of course some will believe Trump is the only president worthy of being president, whether the votes say so or not. I heard people in the UK seeing Trump as the free world hero to lead against the left. What we actually need is a hero of the middle ground who can balance a good economy with a welfare state.

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Exactly. I think the same is in the U.S., but here in New Zealand, each ballot paper has a serial number which is issued when the name of the person is checked off the Electoral Roll for the particular electorate (or maybe county in your case). We get postal ballots for local body elections (our equivalent of your City Hall), and they have a serial number connected with our name on the Electoral Roll. So I assume that the postal ballots over there would have a unique serial number along with the name of the voter, and so there would be no possibility of voter fraud. In the case of the possibility of dead people voting, in my country and postal vote has to be completed and signed, and if a vote comes in without a signature, then it is not counted, and the only other way would be if the signature is forged. Usually, when a person dies and a death certificate is issued, all the relevant officials are advised, including the Electoral Commission, and the deceased person's name is taken off the register. I suspect that the U.S. which has the same level of effective administration, would do the same when a person dies, so the effect of dead persons' votes would be minimal.
 

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What you are describing is an emotional impression and disappointment when the postal votes evened things up and slowly in swing states brought in Bidens way.

This is not evidence of fraud, just counting the postal ballots to balance with the recorded ballots on the day or before. All postal ballots could have been pre-counted to stop this effect, but it is obvious this was the effect.

Claiming fraud is just that an unproven claim. I could claim you are a fantastic person, who always makes good judgements and is very social. But my claim is just a claim, because I do not know. When the evidence comes in, then that is proof.

The evidence of the vote is vote counting. To claim the counting is wrong you have to prove it, because the count can be audited and checked to make sure it is correct. This is not shutting your minds off, it is just a dream that appears to have been shattered. And of course some will believe Trump is the only president worthy of being president, whether the votes say so or not. I heard people in the UK seeing Trump as the free world hero to lead against the left. What we actually need is a hero of the middle ground who can balance a good economy with a welfare state.

God bless you
What you are describing is an emotional impression and disappointment when the postal votes evened things up and slowly in swing states brought in Bidens way.

This is not evidence of fraud, just counting the postal ballots to balance with the recorded ballots on the day or before. All postal ballots could have been pre-counted to stop this effect, but it is obvious this was the effect.

Claiming fraud is just that an unproven claim. I could claim you are a fantastic person, who always makes good judgements and is very social. But my claim is just a claim, because I do not know. When the evidence comes in, then that is proof.

The evidence of the vote is vote counting. To claim the counting is wrong you have to prove it, because the count can be audited and checked to make sure it is correct. This is not shutting your minds off, it is just a dream that appears to have been shattered. And of course some will believe Trump is the only president worthy of being president, whether the votes say so or not. I heard people in the UK seeing Trump as the free world hero to lead against the left. What we actually need is a hero of the middle ground who can balance a good economy with a welfare state.

God bless you

Dances with gnostics, don't ignore FollowHim...He is fun!
All you have to do is tell him the truth and he goes off.
He is kinda like that wind up chicken that hops around on the table.
Doesn't make a lot of sense but fun to watch gyrate.
Besides that, picking a name like Dances with gnostics there has to be a story...aaah?

 
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OK Grailhunter - I took 'em off IGNORE - doesn't mean I will respond to 'em...

There was a movie called Dances With Wolves

I made a username = DancesWithGnostics

no big story
 

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I don't know if it was this thread or another but I wanted to interject something I found regarding Trump's promise to drain the swamp.
It was said he'd failed in that promise. I apologize for not recalling the exact thread where that appeared.
The good news is, it isn't true that he failed. :) I knew there was proof he had not done so I just had to find it from back in the day. And here it is.




Trump Administration Removes Civil Service Protection
By Thomas J. Crane on October 28, 2020
 

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OK Grailhunter - I took 'em off IGNORE - doesn't mean I will respond to 'em...

There was a movie called Dances With Wolves

I made a username = DancesWithGnostics

no big story
Am I assuming you know what Gnostics are?
FollowHim is harmless...
Definitely lefty.
 

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As far as I've heard to this point, there is still no evidence that there has been massive election fraud in the 2020 election. It seems unlikely given that Biden has the advantage of +5,300,000 votes. In court it's Trump 0, the Courts 20 when it comes to results.

If Trump has the necessary proof, all that could change, but he still needs to bring the proof to the courts. So far he hasn't done it.

If all of the allegations of massive election fraud that have been put forward as true, there would be cause to think that there's massive election fraud. Why hasn't Trump done so?

If you are a Trump supporter, now it's time to put political pressure on Trump to bring forward his proof to the courts. If Trump supporters fail to do this, they in turn will share in the partial responsibility of the result of the election. If the alleged proof of this fraud is lacking, then they will share in the moral condemnation of Trump who, in lacking proof, was shown to have falsely claimed that there was massive election fraud.
Change channels...you're listening to the wrong sources.
 

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There are Merovingian Gnostics who thought Mary Magdalene and Jesus were married - that Jesus survived the crucifixion - went to France, lived til 86, and He and MM had a bunch of kids. There are Valentinian Gnostics who weren't quite so bad, but were still hairy-ticks. I read a couple of Elaine Pagels' books - she is a tad pro-Gnostic for me. Sylvia Browne was an admitted Gnostic with a familiar spirit named Francine - she thought MM and Jesus were married also. It is said many of the apostle John's writings were against Gnosticism. Other scholars say Gnosticism did not exist yet when John wrote gospel, Revelation and 3 epistles.

Sylvia Browne predicted a virus like Covid 19 - I think in a book in 2008 - that the disease would hit in 2020 - resist all treatment - vanish suddenly on its own and return ten years later.

GNOSIS is just the Greek word for knowledge. It seems Gnostics felt they were saved by some secret knowledge, rather than by belief in Christ as orthodox Christians think.

I think Sylvia Browne died in 2013.

As far as what you assume - as Walt Whitman said - what I assume you shall assume.

I am not Gnostic - I am Neo-Middle.

And I have been rooked in a fraudulent election.
 
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Georgia Poll Worker Says She Found ‘Pristine’ Batch of Ballots That Went ‘98%’ for Joe Biden

2020 ELECTIONJack Phillips Nov 18, 2020ShareGeorgia poll worker who said she has 20 years experience in handling ballots and recounts said in a sworn statement Tuesday that she noticed an unusual batch of ballots in which the sheets had no signs of use or markings, and approximately 98 percent were marked for Democrat Joe Biden.

Only about two of the ballots from that batch were marked for President Donald Trump, recount worker Susan Voyles said. Voyles filed an affidavit in support of attorney Lin Wood’s lawsuit against Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in which she claimed that Raffensperger made changes to the state’s election policy, arguing that only Georgia’s legislature can make a change in a federal election.

Raffensperger has said on social media and in interviews that there is no evidence to suggest that fraud occurred on a wide enough scale to affect the election’s outcome. “My team secured and strengthened absentee ballots for the first time since 2005. As Secretary of State the first thing I did was push legislation that—OUTLAWED—absentee ballot harvesting in Georgia,” the secretary wrote on Facebook this week in a bid to dispute Wood’s lawsuit.

But Voyles’ allegations are sure to draw fresh attention and scrutiny to the vote-tabulation efforts in Georgia.


Georgia Poll Worker Says She Found 'Pristine' Batch of Ballots That Went '98%' for Joe Biden




Voyles said she worked at Fulton County’s Sandy Springs poll station and accepted the Fulton County Board of Elections’ request to carry out its hand recount of the election.

At one point, Voyles said she noticed a batch of ballots that “was pristine,” while noting that “most of the ballots” she observed “had already been handled; they had been written on by people, and the edges were worn,” showing obvious signs of use.

The “pristine ballot” batch, however, showed “a difference in the texture of the paper—it was if they were intended for absentee use but had not been used for that purposes,” and there “was a difference in the feel.”

“These different ballots,” Voyles added, “included a slight depressed pre-fold so they could be easily folded and unfolded for use in scanning machines.” Also, “There were no markings on the ballots to show where they had come from, or where they had been processed,” she said. “These stood out.”

“In my 20 years’ of experience of handling ballots,” she said, “I observed that the markings for the candidates on [the ‘pristine ballots’] were unusually uniform, perhaps even with a ballot-marking device.”

“By my estimate in observing these ballots, approximately 98 percent constituted votes for Joseph Biden,” she said, adding that only about two ballots went for President Trump.

Georgia’s GOP Chairman, David Shafer, noted that one of his poll watchers found a nearly 10,000-vote error in DeKalb County where “one batch was labeled 10,707 for Biden and 13 for Trump,” which is “improbable … for DeKalb standards.” Shafer said his attorneys turned over an affidavit from their monitor to the Secretary of State for an investigation.

The Fulton County Board of Elections and Raffensberger’s office have not responded to a request for comment about Voyles’ claims.

It came as Raffensberger on Nov. 15 issued a fiery statement to Trump and GOP officials about alleged election fraud on Nov. 3, describing Rep. Doug Collins (R-Ga.), who is leading efforts in Georgia on behalf of Trump, as a “failed candidate” and a “liar.”

“For the first time in the history of Georgia, Absentee ballots submitted through our electronic portal required photo ID. My team—we made that happen,” said Raffensberger, who has come under fire from other Republicans who called on him to resign from his position and accused him of mismanaging the election.

Case: Wood v. Raffensperger (1:20-cv-04651)
 

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Dances with gnostics, don't ignore FollowHim...

I'd advise don't @FollowHim, -- FOLLOW SCRIPTURE:

Matt. 15:13 He answered, “Every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up. 14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”


And having warned @FollowHim of his dishonesty, his blood is on his own head.
Bobby Jo :)
 

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There are Merovingian Gnostics who thought Mary Magdalene and Jesus were married - that Jesus survived the crucifixion - went to France, lived til 86, and He and MM had a bunch of kids. There are Valentinian Gnostics who weren't quite so bad, but were still hairy-ticks. I read a couple of Elaine Pagels' books - she is a tad pro-Gnostic for me. Sylvia Browne was an admitted Gnostic with a familiar spirit named Francine - she thought MM and Jesus were married also. It is said many of the apostle John's writings were against Gnosticism. Other scholars say Gnosticism did not exist yet when John wrote gospel, Revelation and 3 epistles.

Sylvia Browne predicted a virus like Covid 19 - I think in a book in 2008 - that the disease would hit in 2020 - resist all treatment - vanish suddenly on its own and return ten years later.

GNOSIS is just the Greek word for knowledge. It seems Gnostics felt they were saved by some secret knowledge, rather than by belief in Christ as orthodox Christians think.

I think Sylvia Browne died in 2013.

As far as what you assume - as Walt Whitman said - what I assume you shall assume.

I am not Gnostic - I am Neo-Middle.

And I have been rooked in a fraudulent lection.

lol If you get into the topic it is a can of worms.
The terms Gnostic and Gnosticism is actually Christian terms for them.
Various forms of Gnostics existed long before Christ...Greeks and Jews.
It is hard to discuss them in an informative way because we only know so much about them...secretive.

The discussion regarding Christ having a wife is mostly based on Jewish tradition. Socially and religiously the Jews were homophobic.
For the most part if a man chose not to marry it would be like a Christian spiting on a cross. There are certain exceptions but Christ does not fall into those categories. If man a was not married by the age of 20, most would think he was homosexual. Not far after that he would start to bring disgrace upon his family. But by the age of 25 or 30, the one thing he could not do would be to speak publicly about God and religion. They would simply stone him, no tolerance to that. They certainly would not have been coming to Him to ask questions or call Him teacher or master or any positive reference. They pretty much would not give Him the time of day.

So that is the discussion, but we do not know the answer. They certainly did come to Him and called Him master and teacher. We just do not know how it happened that way. The read between the line thing is that females were extremely important to Christ, but Christianity lost a lot of that, because they did not understand.

Of course the Savior of the world was delivered by a woman...
According to the Bible, only women financed His ministry.
Messiah is called the "anointed one" only females anointed Him.
At the Last Supper laying a cross His chest was John. Some point out that is not the position of two male Jews and suggest that the scriptures are calling Mary Magdalene...John, during the Last Supper and at the cross. Some say Leonardo Da Vinci knew this.
Which is another point, while the Apostles were hiding in fear and disbelief, the women were with Christ at the cross.
It was the women that initially went to the tomb...believing in the resurrection. When Christ appeared to the Apostles the first thought in their mind was that He was a ghost....they did not believe.
Most lists of females name her first.
Mary Magdalene is not her name. She is called Mary the Magdalene and some believe that Magdalene means female of the Magi. And that the Apostles named most of Christ's female followers Mary...Miriam...after His mother. Scholars call it "the muddle of the Marys." Some believe her name is actually Rosslyn...in relation to the church in Scotland.
Some believe that the treasure that the Magi gave Christ was to finance his ministry and female Magi were with Him throughout His ministry and continued to finance it.
It was Mary that was given the honor of announcing Christ's resurrection. This is big thing.

All interesting points but difficult to prove. Any direct and connective information is way outside the Bible. More questions than answers.
The Merovingian connection is another fussy area of history.
 
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Mary of MAGDALA - a location - Mary the Magdalene
I never heard of any reference to the Magi in regard to Mary Magdalene

I also think it possible that Mary of Bethany, sister to Martha and Lazarus, might be one and the same as Mary Magdalene, who had the alabaster jar and poured ointment on Jesus' head, out of whom went seven devils

Could be all the same woman, could be two or even three different ones
 

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Mary Magdalene, sometimes called Mary of Magdala, or simply the Magdalene or the Madeleine, was a woman who, according to the four canonical gospels, traveled with Jesus as one of his followers and was a witness to his crucifixion and its aftermath. She is mentioned by name twelve times in the canonical gospels, more than most of the apostles and more than any other woman in the Gospels, other than Jesus' family. Mary's epithet Magdalene may mean that she came from the town of Magdala, a fishing town on the western shore of the Sea of Galilee.

Wikipedia stuff
 

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Mary Magdalene, sometimes called Mary of Magdala, or simply the Magdalene or the Madeleine, was a woman who, according to the four canonical gospels, traveled with Jesus as one of his followers and was a witness to his crucifixion and its aftermath. She is mentioned by name twelve times in the canonical gospels, more than most of the apostles and more than any other woman in the Gospels, other than Jesus' family. Mary's epithet Magdalene may mean that she came from the town of Magdala, a fishing town on the western shore of the Sea of Galilee.

Wikipedia stuff

Back in the day Pope Gregory proclaimed her the penitent prostitute a statement that the Church has reversed.
Linked by some to the city of Magdala because that city supposedly had a lot of prostitutes.
Her being a prostitute or from Magdala is not biblical or historical.
Still more questions than answers.
 

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The apostle John was the only male disciple at the cross. Jesus tells His mother to behold her son, and John to behold his mother - and that Mary stayed with John from then on.

This affirms somewhat that Jesus' brothers (and sisters) were from an earlier marriage of Joseph, and were not Mary's own children - He would hardly need to ask John to take care of her if her own children included James and Jude and others
 

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Grailhunter, we are discussing interesting stuff - but we are far off topic for this thread, of course.

I am planning on starting a separate thread - "Mary M, the Magi, Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh"
 
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