Sterilize Your Conscience

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• Gen 3:22 . . And Jehovah God said: The man has now become like one of
us, knowing good and evil.

Actually, the Serpent had predicted that very thing.

• Gen 3:5 . . God knows that when you eat [from the tree in the midst of the
garden] your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good
and evil.

The "knowing" spoken of here is an intuitive kind of knowing rather than an
instructed knowing. In other words: prior to tasting the forbidden fruit,
neither Adam nor his wife had a conscience; which is at least part of the
reason why the pre-fruit days in the Garden are called the era of innocence.

Now, the problem is; this newly acquired conscience of theirs wasn't from
God, it was obtained from the Serpent who, we're told, has the power of
death and the ability to tamper with the human mind and body in ways not
easily detected. (Heb 2:14, Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2)

As such, humanity's sense of right and wrong is unreliable. Due to its satanic
nature rather than divine, the human moral compass easily deviates from
true north by means of emotional, social, cultural, and ethnical influences.
We rationalize a lot too.

Although Christians are stuck with an unholy moral compass while in this
life, it's possible to at least sterilize it. According to Heb 9:1-14, Christ's
blood does this for us; and we never need to get our conscience sterilized
ever again, i.e. the one time is good for all time.

NOTE: Sterilization was part of the once-a-year Yom Kippur ritual; but as
good as that sterilization was, it was only effective for that one event. The
people had to undergo sterilization all over again the following year.
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[Nancy]

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• Gen 3:22 . . And Jehovah God said: The man has now become like one of
us, knowing good and evil.

Actually, the Serpent had predicted that very thing.

• Gen 3:5 . . God knows that when you eat [from the tree in the midst of the
garden] your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good
and evil.

The "knowing" spoken of here is an intuitive kind of knowing rather than an
instructed knowing. In other words: prior to tasting the forbidden fruit,
neither Adam nor his wife had a conscience; which is at least part of the
reason why the pre-fruit days in the Garden are called the era of innocence.

Now, the problem is; this newly acquired conscience of theirs wasn't from
God, it was obtained from the Serpent who, we're told, has the power of
death and the ability to tamper with the human mind and body in ways not
easily detected. (Heb 2:14, Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2)

As such, humanity's sense of right and wrong is unreliable. Due to its satanic
nature rather than divine, the human moral compass easily deviates from
true north by means of emotional, social, cultural, and ethnical influences.
We rationalize a lot too.

Although Christians are stuck with an unholy moral compass while in this
life, it's possible to at least sterilize it. According to Heb 9:1-14, Christ's
blood does this for us; and we never need to get our conscience sterilized
ever again, i.e. the one time is good for all time.

NOTE: Sterilization was part of the once-a-year Yom Kippur ritual; but as
good as that sterilization was, it was only effective for that one event. The
people had to undergo sterilization all over again the following year.
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Good post WH,

Amen,

"14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!"
Hebrews 9:14

I never heard of the once a year sterilization on Yom Kippur. Was that for the mind in particular?

"The "knowing" spoken of here is an intuitive kind of knowing rather than an
instructed knowing."

Yeah, this reminds me of the fact that Adam and Eve were naked, and they were ashamed. Who told them that? Their conscience's that were just awakened by Satan...?

"the pre-fruit days in the Garden are called the era of innocence. "

Wonder how long they were in the garden before they partook of the fruit...

"Now, the problem is; this newly acquired conscience of theirs wasn't from
God, it was obtained from the Serpent who, we're told, has the power of
death and the ability to tamper with the human mind and body in ways not
easily detected. (Heb 2:14, Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2)"

The Serpent is a wily one, for sure. And, some of those things mentioned, Jesus says come out only with prayer and fasting. I wonder if pastors and elders still do this for their flock that ail. I know they did when my dad was in the hospital. He still passed away but, he became a disciple of Christ several years before that! Amen.

"As such, humanity's sense of right and wrong is unreliable."

To say the VERY least...
In Him,
nancy

 

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I never heard of the once a year sterilization on Yom Kippur. Was that for
the mind in particular

According to Heb 9:13 and Heb 10:1-3, Yom Kippur's ritual was for
sanitizing both mind and body once a year.
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this reminds me of the fact that Adam and Eve were naked, and they were
ashamed. Who told them that? Their conscience's that were just awakened
by Satan...?

It's believed by a pretty large percentage of modern Christians that the so
called fallen nature is inherited from one's biological father. Oh? From
whence did Eve get it?

She was constructed with material taken from Adam's body prior to the
forbidden fruit incident. Since himself tasted the fruit after Eve was born;
then it was impossible for Adam to pass the so-called fallen nature to her by
means of procreation.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had
something to do with the change that took place in the first couple's moral
perception; but now I seriously doubt it because Eve was the first to eat it,
and when she did, nothing happened. She remained shameless and went
about in the buff as usual; Eve's self awareness was unchanged, and her
feelings about the human body remained the same. It wasn't till Adam
tasted the fruit that she began to think that full frontal nudity is indecent; so
I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious than the
chemistry of that fruit.

Ruling out Adam, and ruling out the fruit; we're left with two alternatives:
either God did it to them or the Serpent did it. My money is on the Serpent,
a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the
human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke
13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

(The death spoken of in Heb 2:14 is likely spiritual death rather than
biological death. Well, our conscience isn't biological, it's psychological, i.e.
spiritual.)

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment
that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it
takes effect. As soon as Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both
immediately set to work with the fig leaves.

FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she
tasted the forbidden fruit?

A: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into
the world, it would come via a male's actions just as life and righteousness
would later be offered to the world via a male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent do his corrupting work on people. . . in the
womb or out of the womb?

A: Adam and Eve demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm
guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5 & 58:3)
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[Nancy]

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It's believed by a pretty large percentage of modern Christians that the so
called fallen nature is inherited from one's biological father. Oh? From
whence did Eve get it?

She was constructed with material taken from Adam's body prior to the
forbidden fruit incident. Since himself tasted the fruit after Eve was born;
then it was impossible for Adam to pass the so-called fallen nature to her by
means of procreation.

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had
something to do with the change that took place in the first couple's moral
perception; but now I seriously doubt it because Eve was the first to eat it,
and when she did, nothing happened. She remained shameless and went
about in the buff as usual; Eve's self awareness was unchanged, and her
feelings about the human body remained the same. It wasn't till Adam
tasted the fruit that she began to think that full frontal nudity is indecent; so
I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious than the
chemistry of that fruit.

Ruling out Adam, and ruling out the fruit; we're left with two alternatives:
either God did it to them or the Serpent did it. My money is on the Serpent,
a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the
human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke
13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

(The death spoken of in Heb 2:14 is likely spiritual death rather than
biological death. Well, our conscience isn't biological, it's psychological, i.e.
spiritual.)

The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield his power the moment
that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me how quickly it
takes effect. As soon as Adam tasted the fruit, he and his wife both
immediately set to work with the fig leaves.

FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she
tasted the forbidden fruit?

A: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into
the world, it would come via a male's actions just as life and righteousness
would later be offered to the world via a male's actions. (Rom 5:12-21)

FAQ: When does the Serpent do his corrupting work on people. . . in the
womb or out of the womb?

A: Adam and Eve demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm
guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5 & 58:3)
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"It's believed by a pretty large percentage of modern Christians that the so
called fallen nature is inherited from one's biological father. Oh? From
whence did Eve get it?"

Ha! Good question, and it blows that theory right out of the water.

"My money is on the Serpent,
a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)"

Agreed.

"FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she
tasted the forbidden fruit?

The way I see it, both Adam and Eve were punished for directly disobeying God, Some say it was Adam's responsibility to prevent Eve from eating, and that he tell her of God's command. I see nothing scriptural that say's that it was Adam's responsibility even, to tell Eve what God said. But God gave them both dominion over everything He made, the wife being equal to the man.
It seems when reading Genesis 3:3 " 3 but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die." Notice, she doesn't say "my hubby said..." but she said that "God said".

Maybe they both had to sin as they became "one flesh" and represented all of mankind. Gosh, it could be a ton of things! Lol.

 

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• Gen 3:22 . . And Jehovah God said: The man has now become like one of
us, knowing good and evil.

Actually, the Serpent had predicted that very thing.

• Gen 3:5 . . God knows that when you eat [from the tree in the midst of the
garden] your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good
and evil.

The "knowing" spoken of here is an intuitive kind of knowing rather than an
instructed knowing. In other words: prior to tasting the forbidden fruit,
neither Adam nor his wife had a conscience; which is at least part of the
reason why the pre-fruit days in the Garden are called the era of innocence.

Now, the problem is; this newly acquired conscience of theirs wasn't from
God, it was obtained from the Serpent who, we're told, has the power of
death and the ability to tamper with the human mind and body in ways not
easily detected. (Heb 2:14, Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2)

As such, humanity's sense of right and wrong is unreliable. Due to its satanic
nature rather than divine, the human moral compass easily deviates from
true north by means of emotional, social, cultural, and ethnical influences.
We rationalize a lot too.

Although Christians are stuck with an unholy moral compass while in this
life, it's possible to at least sterilize it. According to Heb 9:1-14, Christ's
blood does this for us; and we never need to get our conscience sterilized
ever again, i.e. the one time is good for all time.

NOTE: Sterilization was part of the once-a-year Yom Kippur ritual; but as
good as that sterilization was, it was only effective for that one event. The
people had to undergo sterilization all over again the following year.
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yes, I think there is truth here. I have learned it is Gods verdict of me that matters. My own verdict fluctuates....sometimes I feel closer to God, other times I feel removed and am tempted to believe my own verdict......this is the lie!
God's verdict informs me I am infinitely precious to him and he asks that I do not call him a liar.

I can take that conclusion further; let me know what you think. The whole world is of infinite value to God.....of such value he would rather die than loose it (meaning, each individual) but people choose to believe their own verdicts.

In this light, we condemn ourselves.....and Satan feeds that view. Ultimately this exercise is called unbelief.