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Why does the devil love to trap people in the old sabbath? Cos it’s of the first creation and he owns it but hates the new creation in Christ Jesus!

the sabbath was for the Jews to keep, we are Christians not jews
There is neither Jew nor Greek but all are one in Christ

the ceremonial law was fulfilled

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary tous, and took it out of the way, nailing it tohis cross;
 

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The Seventh-day Adventist movement is in nearly every country on earth.

"... Countries and Areas of the World as Recognized by the United Nations 235
Countries and Areas of the World in Which Seventh-day Adventist Work is Established 213..."
- Seventh-day Adventist World Church Statistics 2018 | Adventist.org

"... This entry lists Seventh-day Adventist membership worldwide as of 2004. Membership is defined as baptised and active...." -
Countries Compared by Religion > Seventh-day Adventist Membership. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

There is only one other religion that is even close.

whatever it’s not universal and has a founder other than Christ
Man made fundamentalist religion
 

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I think you are referring to some few Cathari, but even then there is a stigma associated with them, that is generally not true.

Never the less, I mentioned the Albigensi. Voltaire (the ever consumate Jesuit noted):

"... [page 60] Auricular confession was not received so late as the eighth and ninth centuries in the countries beyond the Loire, in Languedoc and the Alps -- Alcuin complains of this in his letters. The inhabitants of those countries appear to have always had an inclina- [page 60-61] tion to abide by the custom of the primitive church, and to reject the tenets and customs which the church in its more flourishing state judged convenient to adopt. ...

... [page 77] Those who were called Manicheans, and those who were afterwards named Albigenses, Vaudois, Lollards, and who appeared so often under different names, were remnants of the first Gaulish christians, who were attached to several ancient customs, which the church of Rome thought proper to alter afterwards; as likewise to certain vague opinions, which that same church adopted in process of time; for example, these primitive Christians knew nothing of image-worship. They had never been enjoined auricular confession. We must not suppose, that, in the time of Clovis, or those preceeding his reign, the inhabitants of the Alps were adepts in the dogma of transubstantiation, and such like. ..." - The works of M. De Voltaire. Translated from the French. With Notes, Historical and Critical. By T. Smollett, M.D. T. Francklin, M.A. and Others. Volume the Twenty-Second. LONDON: Printed for J. Newbery, R. Baldwin, W. Johnston, S. Crowder, T. Davies, J. Coote, G. Kearsley, and B. Collins at Salisbury. MDCCLXIII (1763) pages 60-61, 77 - The Works of M. de Voltaire: Additions to the essay on general history. v. 32-33. Miscellaneous poems

now your quoting atheists

which SDA founder was an apostle?
 

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The sabbath was for the Jews under the mosaic covenant now fulfilled but the Jews are the enemies of Christ and continue to blasphem Him to this very day, we want nothing to do with the Jews or there outdated religion including their Passover, sabbath or holidays
 

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I think you are referring to some few Cathari, but even then there is a stigma associated with them, that is generally not true.

Never the less, I mentioned the Albigensi. Voltaire (the ever consumate Jesuit noted):

"... [page 60] Auricular confession was not received so late as the eighth and ninth centuries in the countries beyond the Loire, in Languedoc and the Alps -- Alcuin complains of this in his letters. The inhabitants of those countries appear to have always had an inclina- [page 60-61] tion to abide by the custom of the primitive church, and to reject the tenets and customs which the church in its more flourishing state judged convenient to adopt. ...

... [page 77] Those who were called Manicheans, and those who were afterwards named Albigenses, Vaudois, Lollards, and who appeared so often under different names, were remnants of the first Gaulish christians, who were attached to several ancient customs, which the church of Rome thought proper to alter afterwards; as likewise to certain vague opinions, which that same church adopted in process of time; for example, these primitive Christians knew nothing of image-worship. They had never been enjoined auricular confession. We must not suppose, that, in the time of Clovis, or those preceeding his reign, the inhabitants of the Alps were adepts in the dogma of transubstantiation, and such like. ..." - The works of M. De Voltaire. Translated from the French. With Notes, Historical and Critical. By T. Smollett, M.D. T. Francklin, M.A. and Others. Volume the Twenty-Second. LONDON: Printed for J. Newbery, R. Baldwin, W. Johnston, S. Crowder, T. Davies, J. Coote, G. Kearsley, and B. Collins at Salisbury. MDCCLXIII (1763) pages 60-61, 77 - The Works of M. de Voltaire: Additions to the essay on general history. v. 32-33. Miscellaneous poems

only God can be worshiped
There is and has never been a teaching to the contrary

confession is from the beginning and in the Bible
Jn 20:21-23

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 

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faith alone does not save either Mk 16:16
God must not have foreseen Sub-Saharan Africa's average of 5% rainfall per year. While the surface water, approximately 2/3rd's of the land area, lakes, etc... are so highly polluted as to make them not potable.
Let's read that scripture.
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Notice that which is omitted in the conditional teaching of that sentence? It does not say, but whoever does not believe nor is baptized shall be condemned.
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behold I make all things new
Revelation 21:5. And it actually reads in the ESV, “Behold, I am making all things new.” The verb is present tense in the Book of Revelation. That chapter is speaking to and of the new heaven and the new earth, which is not yet arrived.
The New Heaven and the New Earth
Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. (Continues:Revelation 21 MOUNCE;ESV - Then I saw a new heaven and a new - Bible Gateway )
including the sabbath and the Passover
Where does the chapter 5 have that written?

Do Christians have to keep the old Passover also?
Do you know what Passover is?
If so then you know the answer.
 

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God must not have foreseen Sub-Saharan Africa's average of 5% rainfall per year. While the surface water, approximately 2/3rd's of the land area, lakes, etc... are so highly polluted as to make them not potable.
Let's read that scripture.
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Notice that which is omitted in the conditional teaching of that sentence? It does not say, but whoever does not believe nor is baptized shall be condemned.
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Revelation 21:5. And it actually reads in the ESV, “Behold, I am making all things new.” The verb is present tense in the Book of Revelation. That chapter is speaking to and of the new heaven and the new earth, which is not yet arrived.
The New Heaven and the New Earth
Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. (Continues:Revelation 21 MOUNCE;ESV - Then I saw a new heaven and a new - Bible Gateway )
Where does the chapter 5 have that written?

Do you know what Passover is?
If so then you know the answer.

Acts 8
Philip preached Jesus to the eunuch!

Obviously Philip preached “FACAGA”

How did the eunuch know about baptism?

Why did the eunuch so greatly desire baptism?
(If it’s only symbolic, an outward sign)

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
 

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Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptism!
 

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Mark 16:16

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

There are two statements and cannot contradict each other!

Nor can one be used to deny the other!

No scripture twisting here!

Requirements?

Those who are being saved?

Absolute requirement of both faith and baptism!

And it is baptism that is the Christian initiation into the new covenant of grace, baptism is the outward sign of the new covenant!

Those not being saved?
Nothing is required, if you reject the first requirements of those being saved why bother to mention the second?

Faith and baptism are required for salvation! See acts 8
 

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Baptism!

Old Testament pre-figures of baptism.

Psalm 36:9
For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

Song of Solomon 4:15
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

Isaiah 41:18
I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put withi n you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

New Testament

Matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

( Disciples by baptism not faith alone)

Mk 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Mark 16:16
he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

Jn 1: 11
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Baptism)

John 1:26
John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6
And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)

John3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

John 4:4
When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Baptism)

Acts 8:36
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Philip preached Jesus and the result is justification by baptism!

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:5 
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Gal 4:19
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptism)

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)

1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
 

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still says “all” not a few SDA’s after 1850
Who said that the Seventh-day Adventist movement said that Luke 2:10 only meant us? Luke 2:10 is for all peoples everywhere, even as Revelation 14:6-7, which we preach is for.

You have a gross misunderstanding of the Seventh-day Adventist movement's position. Where did you learn those errors?

The Seventh-day Adventists do not teach that all called Seventh-day Adventists are Christians, saved or going to Heaven (some are lost even now, there are Tares, presently among the wheat, church militant), and we do not teach that there are not real Christians among the other labels out there. There are true Christians in many places (even within Catholicism), not yet, of this fold, but there is an exchange happening even now, and soon, all those who are truly Christian, will make their stand with us.

If you would read The Great Controversy 1911, you would see that that is always what we have stated.
 

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faith alone does not save either Mk 16:16

behold I make all things new including the sabbath and the Passover

Do Christians have to keep the old Passover also?
Christians keep this Passover:

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.​

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that wiki historical fact

The Seventh-day Adventist Church had its roots in the Millerite movement of the 1830s to the 1840s, during the period of the Second Great Awakening, and was officially founded in 1863.

typical fundamentalism
Based on pride presumption and arrogance

William booth did not found the Salvation Army either
Apples to Oranges in regards Salvation Army, and Seventh-day Adventists. A real non-sequitur. There were many false prophets that arose in Israel, even during the time of true prophets, but that that is so, doesn't make the true prophets related to the false. Jeremiah waged battle against false prophets (e.g. Hananiah, Jer.28:13) in his day, but does that make Jeremiah a false prophet?

The Seventh-day Adventist movement did not "originate" with William Miller, nor the Millerite movement, nor even with the Advent movement after, but as stated, we claim that which was before Miller, even Luther, Huss, Jerome, Zwingli, Patrick of Ireland, Colomba, Wycliffe, etc, etc.

See for yourself what we actually teach:

 

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Acts 8
Philip preached Jesus to the eunuch!

Obviously Philip preached “FACAGA”

How did the eunuch know about baptism?

Why did the eunuch so greatly desire baptism?
(If it’s only symbolic, an outward sign)

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Question: How many types of Baptism are there referenced in the scriptures?
 

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Who said that the Seventh-day Adventist movement said that Luke 2:10 only meant us? Luke 2:10 is for all peoples everywhere, even as Revelation 14:6-7, which we preach is for.

You have a gross misunderstanding of the Seventh-day Adventist movement's position. Where did you learn those errors?

The Seventh-day Adventists do not teach that all called Seventh-day Adventists are Christians, saved or going to Heaven (some are lost even now, there are Tares, presently among the wheat, church militant), and we do not teach that there are not real Christians among the other labels out there. There are true Christians in many places (even within Catholicism), not yet, of this fold, but there is an exchange happening even now, and soon, all those who are truly Christian, will make their stand with us.

If you would read The Great Controversy 1911, you would see that that is always what we have stated.

don’t buy any phony great awakening or any charismatic non-sense

how is SDA

universal?
Founded by Christ?
On the apostles?
 

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Christians keep this Passover:

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.​

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that’s the new covenant Passover in the body and blood of Christ the holy sacrifice of the mass the propitiatory sacrifice

so you need the new sabbath too
Sunday the Lord’s day
 

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Apples to Oranges in regards Salvation Army, and Seventh-day Adventists. A real non-sequitur. There were many false prophets that arose in Israel, even during the time of true prophets, but that that is so, doesn't make the true prophets related to the false. Jeremiah waged battle against false prophets (e.g. Hananiah, Jer.28:13) in his day, but does that make Jeremiah a false prophet?

The Seventh-day Adventist movement did not "originate" with William Miller, nor the Millerite movement, nor even with the Advent movement after, but as stated, we claim that which was before Miller, even Luther, Huss, Jerome, Zwingli, Patrick of Ireland, Colomba, Wycliffe, etc, etc.

See for yourself what we actually teach:


All heretics
All fake prophets
All their doctrines condemned by the holy apostles in the sacred councils in the one true church founded by Christ
 

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who cares there is only one that matters
Christian baptism with fire and the HS
Eph 4:5
Baptism with water means nothing then?
The Anathema's, FACAGA, are not so per the RCC?
Lumping them together like that, FACAGA(FaithAloneChristAloneGraceAlone), is not 'alone'. It is a triune unit. FaithChristGrace.