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[justbyfaith]

The church lives under the law of Christ!

We are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21 (kjv).

But NOWHERE in the KJV does it say “ repent of sins to be Saved!

it says, "Turn from your wickedness and you will live thereby" (Ezekiel 33:19, 2 Chronicles 7:14))...which is the same thing.

Nothing but your assumptions above.

Now show us from the BIBLE where any of the above is mentioned along with the GOSPEL.

He gave Bible.

and we will commit sin.

Speak for yourself. Those who commit sin are of the devil (1 John 3:8).

 

[ChristisGod]

We are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21 (kjv).

We are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21 (kjv).



it says, "Turn from your wickedness and you will live thereby" (Ezekiel 33:19, 2 Chronicles 7:14))...which is the same thing.



He gave Bible.



Speak for yourself. Those who commit sin are of the devil (1 John 3:8).

No just his opinion without a SINGLE bible reference. Try reading with comprehension.

 

[justbyfaith]

No just his opinion without a SINGLE bible reference. Try reading with comprehension.

Go back and look at his post. He gave Bible to support his pov.

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[Ronald Nolette]

It is not faulty.

Rom 2:13, (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

We receive the Spirit by faith (Galatians 3:14).

Those who bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn them in their behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23).

There is a righteousness of God that is apart from the law, that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

Therefore, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

The spiritual mind is at peace with God; for it is subject to the law of God and cannot be otherwise (inverse of Romans 8:7).

I agree 100% with the verses. It is just your conclusion that veers from the verses you cited.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

To empower the sinner to walk in harmony with His laws (2 Peter 1:4)

Then define which laws! there are 613 in the OT and 1008 in the NEW!

I am justified by Christ apart from teh law!

My obedience is a testimony that Jesus is my justification, not my doing the law.

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 2:13
King James Version

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.


these are on the surface completely contradictory statements. But it is not the word that is lacking but peoples understanding of the context of Romans 2:13 that is lacking.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Then define which laws! there are 613 in the OT and 1008 in the NEW!

Paul and Jesus sum up the law in love and just dealings (Romans 13:9; Matthew 7:12; Matthew 22:37-40).

We only need to follow the above to fulfill the law.

I wonder why you want to supplant Paul and Jesus by adding to what they said.

 

[ChristisGod]

Go back and look at his post. He gave Bible to support his pov.

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my point stands not a single verse mentioned the gospel.

plus I'm discussing this with him, not you so I will no longer discuss another poster with you which is AGAINST the rules of EVERY CHRISTIAN FORUM.

next.................................................

 

[justbyfaith]

I agree 100% with the verses. It is just your conclusion that veers from the verses you cited.

What conclusion did I make?

I think that all I did was relate what those verses say, exactly.

If you disagree with the conclusion that you made after reading those verses together, then, well, you are disagreeing with your own conclusion!

 

[justbyfaith]

my point stands not a single verse mentioned the gospel.

plus I'm discussing this with him, not you so I will no longer discuss another poster with you which is AGAINST the rules of EVERY CHRISTIAN FORUM.

next.................................................

So, you broke the rule one last time before declaring what it was.

The post in question contained scripture to back up his pov, and that is the point that I would make.

 

[ChristisGod]

So, you broke the rule one last time before declaring what it was.

The post in question contained scripture to back up his pov, and that is the point that I would make.

you can continue arguing with yourself-

 

[justbyfaith]

you can continue arguing with yourself-

No, I gave you the last word on the issue.

 

[farouk]

Brother, the assumption many make is that belief is a one time prayer, but they misunderstand that faith in Jesus is a walk, a relationship, for the just shall live by faith. If one is truly one of His sheep, will they not endure in the faith, eyes fixed upon their beloved savior?

Do you not remember when Jesus told His disciples about two men asked by the master to go work in His fields? The first said "I will go." but didn't. The second said "No way!" but eventually went. Jesus then asked His disciples which one did the will of the Father. And we both know wht Jesus said.

I pray many people are watching, for it is when we finally come to the conclusion that we cannot trust ourselves to remain faithful because of our fickle, oft-times rebellious, disobedient flesh, that we cry out to God for brand new natures that He promises He will CAUSE to stay obedient and to continue to believe and look to Jesus as His savior.

blessings to you, BB

Gideon

@Gideons300 In North America, sometimes the idea of 'faith' is reduced to some notion of going forward at a big meeting or signing a 'decision' card or signing up to a Christian circular email list, etc. That is, a one-off action of mental assent.

Whereas Paul to the Romans, at the beginning and the end of his Epistle, speaks of 'obedience to the faith' and 'the obedience of faith'. In other words, true faith is an ongoing matter which proves its genuineness by bearing lasting fruit.

The parable of the sower shows what is true, lasting faith:

"23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." (Matthew 13.23)

 

[justbyfaith]

@Gideons300 In North America, sometimes the idea of 'faith' is reduced to some notion of going forward at a big meeting or signing a 'decision' card or signing up to a Christian circular email list, etc. That is, a one-off action of mental assent.

Whereas Paul to the Romans, at the beginning and the end of his Epistle, speaks of 'obedience to the faith' and 'the obedience of faith'. In other words, true faith is an ongoing matter which proves its genuineness by bearing lasting fruit.

The parable of the sower shows what is true, lasting faith:

"23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." (Matthew 13.23)

Very excellent.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Brother, the assumption many make is that belief is a one time prayer, but they misunderstand that faith in Jesus is a walk, a relationship, for the just shall live by faith. If one is truly one of His sheep, will they not endure in the faith, eyes fixed upon their beloved savior?

Do you not remember when Jesus told His disciples about two men asked by the master to go work in His fields? The first said "I will go." but didn't. The second said "No way!" but eventually went. Jesus then asked His disciples which one did the will of the Father. And we both know wht Jesus said.

I pray many people are watching, for it is when we finally come to the conclusion that we cannot trust ourselves to remain faithful because of our fickle, oft-times rebellious, disobedient flesh, that we cry out to God for brand new natures that He promises He will CAUSE to stay obedient and to continue to believe and look to Jesus as His savior.

blessings to you, BB

Gideon

I heard about a certain Publican that made a one- time Prayer that got him “ Justified” or to put it another way— he got saved....That singular prayer was “ Lord, have Mercy on me a Sinner!” It worked for him....why not anybody else? I KNOW it worked for me....

 

[justbyfaith]

I heard about a certain Publican that made a one- time Prayer that got him “ Justified” or to put it another way— he got saved....That singular prayer was “ Lord, have Mercy on me a Sinner!” It worked for him....why not anybody else? I KNOW it worked for me....

Jesus said,

Mat 7:21, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

No, the CORINTHIANS said that. Apparently, Paul did not agree with them that sleeping with your father's wife was lawful for them to do—1 Corinthians 5:1, Leviticus 18:8.

Paul said “ All things are Lawful to “ ME”...... Does that sound like a bunch of people said it? Lets let et the Reader decide....it’s obvious....
If Paul said it— JESUS SAID IT! Paul, unless he said otherwise , was a conduit between the Ascended Christ and the world.....The Holy Spirit used Paul as a Secretary ....simple as that ....Peter admitted that Paul was “ hard to understand” at times, but declared that everything that Paul wrote was Scripture.The Holy Spirit is behind EVERY WORD of Scripture....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The person of faith obeys the law that you say increases sin in them. I'm going with John on this one, not you.

If those of Faith are doing such a great job “ obeying” the Law, why does God have His “ Chastisement Program?” God chastises His Children and if he is NOT chastising you , you are a “ Bastard” —- none of His. If Believers are so Obedient , I guess Jesus just punishes those He Shed His Blood for to get His “ kicks”....

James is talking to Born-Again Believers when he speaks of how Sin “ entices” at times and causes EVERONE to Stumble into Sin at times....
Again.....read your Bible..

 

[Enoch111]

Has anyone else noticed that threads which discuss our salvation become so focused on sin? Why is that?

You are right. And it is because Satan -- in opposition to God -- would rather have Christians focus on sin than on righteousness. God wants us to focus on righteousness and holiness.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Paul and Jesus sum up the law in love and just dealings (Romans 13:9; Matthew 7:12; Matthew 22:37-40).

We only need to follow the above to fulfill the law.

I wonder why you want to supplant Paul and Jesus by adding to what they said.

I do have to give you credit. YOu do a masterful job of dancing around answering a simple question. But what about eating meat offered to idols?
celebrating holidays?

Yes we all know that all the law issummed up in :Love God above all, and love your neighbor as yourself! But as you know those things display themselves in doing stuff.

so for loving God how is that displayed in obedience in your life?

I know you know what I am asking so what do you do in life to show you love God. what commands do you obey?
Do you keep Sabbath to show you love God?
Do you keep the festivals to show you love God?

What do you do in action to show you are following th etwo great commands?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What conclusion did I make?

I think that all I did was relate what those verses say, exactly.

If you disagree with the conclusion that you made after reading those verses together, then, well, you are disagreeing with your own conclusion!

Wrong again. Your opinions on what those verses say show a subtle allegorical shift from what is written based on your commentary.