The testimony of an ex Jehovah's witness Elder.

[Jane_Doe22]

And I find your stance here an attitude of enabling cults by not exposing their corruption. In Other words you are not dealing with the reality of what cults are like. The Lives they destroy, how they manipulate, and who they use as their victims.



Again, you would warn your children not to play around with witchcraft, would you not? Just because one has faith does not mean they are immune to manipulation by cults, if you delve into the link on Mystical manipulation, this man was manipulated by a mainline church preacher Not just a known cult, but a leader operating under the spirit of Leviathan. Do You even know what the Spirit of Leviathan is like? How about the spirit of Python or the spirit of Jezebel? How many lives could have been spared if they were taught what these spirits are and how they manipulate so as to avoid them? These spirits operate in churches amongst believers, not outside of them. All the apostles dealt with these false teachers/prophets/apostles in their writings to the churches. Jude even wrote with the desire to speak of their common salvation, but was forced to address "certain men who crept in unawares" (see Jude 1:3-4).

This is the role of apologetics in the first place, not to enable cultish practice but to expose it. You know this is right but your pride just does not want to admit this.

Here is a link on what the spirit of leviathan in a preacher is like:
Charisma Magazine

I acknowledge your stance, how I find it to be that hypothetically of a cult and yielding of bad fruits like Ella. I acknowledged that you once again refuse to address this. You and every other person have the right to believe as you do, no matter how good/wicked or free/trapped it brings you.

 

[David H.]

I acknowledge your stance, how I find it to be that hypothetically of a cult and yielding of bad fruits like Ella. I acknowledged that you once again refuse to address this. You and every other person have the right to believe as you do, no matter how good/wicked or free/trapped it brings you.

Setting captives free is not a bad fruit.

And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. (Galatians 2:4-5)

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Setting captives free is not a bad fruit.

And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. (Galatians 2:4-5)

Ella is captive.

 

[David H.]

Ella is captive.

In My example Mia is captive, and Ella is trying to set her free from the captivity. I Understand the point your trying to make, that being witch hunter is to be captive to Hunting witches, but There is the truth that witchcraft exists and sometimes it is better to be a witch hunter than to be captive to witchcraft itself.

Let us say, your girlfriend jane is a witch (Into witchcraft, and conjuring spirits) would you continue in that relationship knowing she is influencing you and manipulating you and doing her witchcraft on you, or would you be wary and break yourself off from that relationship? Isn't continuing in this relationship enabling witchcraft? We do not break the relationship for fear of witchcraft, but for love for the person involved in it that we do not enable their witchcraft. Fear is never the motive Love is, tough love. Just like not sharing and fellowshipping with an alcoholic by buying them a case of beer.

I Will give you a real life example of this. I had a friend, "Robert" who I used to work with. we would go out for a drink after work from time to time, and we had a good relationship. But Robert began to drink heavier and heavier, and this drinking led him to not paying his bills, he eventually lost his vehicle which was impounded. I Confronted him on his drinking and was in a position to help him get a vehicle to get him to and from work so I explained this to him, that He needed to address his drinking before i would help him, which to his credit he did, and I was all too willing to help him get back on his feet. Had he not addressed his drinking he would have been in worse shape now than before, this is how tough love works, it is having open arms for the person who is need of freedom from addiction, but not enabling that drinking itself. Having them know that you are there to help them if they will deal with this problem, but also knowing that you will not help them and enable them if They do nothing about the problem.

Before you can fix a problem, you need to know and admit their is a problem and This comes with tough love from those who the person loves the most.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

In My example Mia is captive.

Your example is a hypothetical fantasy.

Please address the REALITY. Ella is real person and a real captive. A spiritually stunted manipulator whom has meniscal faith development herself. Whom even weaponizes birthday cards to push her fear-based agenda. Whom is incapable of having relationships with her family. That's the REAL fruit "anti-cult" has yielded.

 

[David H.]

Your example is a hypothetical fantasy.

Please address the REALITY. Ella is real person and a real captive. A spiritually stunted manipulator whom has meniscal faith development herself. Whom even weaponizes birthday cards to push her fear-based agenda. Whom is incapable of having relationships with her family. That's the REAL fruit "anti-cult" has yielded.

Sound to me like you are the "Mia" in your example, and there was an Ella in your life that has done this to you??? Perhaps you are the one in need of this tough love and you are still hurt by this lost relationship???

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Sound to me like you are the "Mia" in your example, and there was an Ella in your life that has done this to you??? Perhaps you are the one in need of this tough love and you are still hurt by this lost relationship???

Notice how you once again refuse to address the REALITY situation.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Everyone who bases

Notice how you once again refuse to address the REALITY situation.

My dear Jane, the REALITY of the situation is that you belong to one of the biggest most powerful cults in the world. Your beliefs about God will not get you to heaven because your god is NOT the one true God of the Bible. The temple rituals in which you say you’ve taken part are occult rituals. The symbols that cover your temples are symbols of witchcraft/the occult.

I suppose you will say that I’m being hateful, but trust me, I speak the truth to you from the love of Jesus Christ. I pray that you will be set free from the lies you believe that hold you in bondage! Jesus, the true Jesus of the Bible, came to set the captives free!!!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Everyone who bases

My dear Jane, the REALITY of the situation is that you belong to one of the biggest most powerful cults in the world. Your beliefs about God will not get you to heaven because your god is NOT the one true God of the Bible. The temple rituals in which you say you’ve taken part are occult rituals. The symbols that cover your temples are symbols of witchcraft/the occult.

I suppose you will say that I’m being hateful, but trust me, I speak the truth to you from the love of Jesus Christ. I pray that you will be set free from the lies you believe that hold you in bondage! Jesus, the true Jesus of the Bible, came to set the captives free!!!

The praying for another's freedom from lies is mutual, Prayer Warrior.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

The praying for another's freedom from lies is mutual, Prayer Warrior.

When you find the one true God of the Bible; then, by all means, please pray for me! But don’t bother praying to your false Mormon gods on my behalf.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

When you find the one true God of the Bible; then, by all means, please pray for me! But don’t bother praying to your false Mormon gods on my behalf.

I pray my heart out to our mutual God of the Bible. I acknowledge & cherish the real faith you do have in Him. I do pray that you didn't feel the nerd to cling to falsehoods about what others believe. A disciple of Christ should always walk in light, and has no need for "anti-cult" abusive "love". You and your faith is better than that Prayer Warrior: I know you have light from Him in you.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I pray my heart out to our mutual God of the Bible. I acknowledge & cherish the real faith you do have in Him. I do pray that you didn't feel the nerd to cling to falsehoods about what others believe. A disciple of Christ should always walk in light, and has no need for "anti-cult" abusive "love". You and your faith is better than that Prayer Warrior: I know you have light from Him in you.

Hmm, interesting response. There is God’s light (as in Jesus is the light of the world), and there is the false light of the occult. Since your religion is based on the occult, I would have to say that the light you’re talking about is false light. I have NOTHING to do with that!

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Hmm, interesting response. There is God’s light (as in Jesus is the light of the world), and there is the false light of the occult. Since your religion is based on the occult, I would have to say that the light you’re talking about is false light. I have NOTHING to do with that!

You keep believing whatever it is you choose to believe. I acknowledge your choice there and the fact that I can't change it.
I'm going to follow keep Christ the best scripture & Him lead me.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

You keep believing whatever it is you believe.
I'm going to follow keep Christ.

I choose to believe the truth, Jane. I refuse to worship in a building that has occult symbols, such as pentagrams, prominently displayed on it and in it. You said that you’ve participated in the temple rituals, right?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I choose to believe the truth, Jane. I refuse to worship in a building that has occult symbols, such as pentagrams, prominently displayed on it and in it. You said that you’ve participated in the temple rituals, right?

Prayer Warrior, what you think I believe and what I actually believe are two different things. We've been over this.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Prayer Warrior, what you think I believe and what I actually believe are two different things. We've been over this.

As usual, you seem to pretend not to believe Mormon doctrines. You really should make up your mind about this if you continue to be a member of the LDS organization.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

As usual, you seem to pretend not to believe Mormon doctrines. You really should make up your mind about this if you continue to be a member of the LDS organization.

The following are two very different things:
-Actual beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
-The fiction you hear from "anti-cult" sources.

I acknowledge your right to believe what you believe. But I am also human and get very tired of repeated judgements levied at me or anyone else based on bad information.

 

[jaybird]

i have spent so many hours over the years talking scripture with the JWs that show up on the front porch. they never invite me to their church?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

i have spent so many hours over the years talking scripture with the JWs that show up on the front porch. they never invite me to their church?

Did you ask?

 

[jaybird]

Did you ask?

is that how it works? you have to ask? thats kinda weird to send someone out but not allow them to invite, why bother?