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[Ferris Bueller]

Where do you go for your proof? To the works of the Law. "Is Jesus producing Law Keeping in me? What say I?" Is this not what you teach?

Aren't the commands 'do not show favoritism', 'remember the orphan and the widow', 'do not steal', 'treat the alien and the fatherless with justice' (all summarized in 'love your neighbor as yourself') not the works of the law of Moses (I can provide references)? The very ones that John said show that we remain in him and him in us, showing the presence of the Spirit is within us?

1 John 3:23-24
23And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us. 24Whoever keeps His commandments remains in God, and God in him. And by this we know that He remains in us: by the Spirit He has given us.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

So that is another Mosaic Law you have jettisoned?

The Sabbath God declared to be a covenant throughout all generations! And it is the 7th day of the week. Not a state of rest- but a ceasing of labor for one day. At least according to the bible.

I didn't jettison it. I satisfied it's holy requirement when I entered into Rest through Jesus Christ. So, since I'm already at Sabbath Rest through the new way of faith in Christ I don't need to try to enter into Sabbath rest through the old way of the literal letter of the law that I'm already entered into through faith in Christ. I uphold the law of Sabbath Rest through my faith in Christ, not nullify it by my faith in Christ, just as Paul said....

Romans 3:28-31
28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

All you have doen is pick and choose which parts of teh Mosaic Law you wish to obey based on your cultural matrix.

I do not break any of them through my faith in Christ. The ENTIRE law of Moses is marked 'unbroken', and 'satisfied' for the person who believes in Christ and walks by the Spirit. No debt of law remains outstanding for the person who believes in Christ and walks by the Spirit. The problem is you can't see how that can be true if you don't literally keep the letter of the law. And so you think I'm wrong and you're right. But what's happening is you simply can't see the truth of what I'm saying. A truth that comes right out of the pages of our Bibles. But a truth that has been suppressed by a very uneducated and un-spiritual church leadership, starting with the very early Catholic church that taught that all things 'law of Moses' was categorically and without exception you trying to earn your own salvation. That's incredibly ignorant and uneducated thinking. But that is exactly what the church has brain washed us with. It's so deeply entrenched in the church that it will never be uprooted from the church before Christ comes back. Only a few will see the truth about this and understand it. And only because those few discern what the church says using the Bible, instead of using what the church says to discern the Bible. Virtually every Christian does the latter.

 

[HisLife]

The book of “Hebrews” is not dealing with the Jews exclusively. It is dealing with the brethren, Timothy expressly being mentioned as a brother (Hebrews 13:22-23).

I am in awe at the risk you people take in nullifying all the warnings in the New Testament; To think that all the good verses are for you, and all the bad ones are for the Jews; astonishing...

Hi again Glad your in awe Maybe I have your attention, First I didn't say exclusively I even quoted the Samaritan woman, But If you look at the time period There is obviously where A lot of Jews coming out of Judaism To Christianity So that context Is very important, The Jews had been brought up in A system that was drastically changing, From the shadow to the real thing, Been brought up in a temple sacrificial system where the blood of animals couldn't take away sins, to giving all that up and turning To Jesus was a big deal for the Jews especially when they where under pressure from friends and family some at the risk of excommunication or even death, Surely you see the context.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Romans 3:28-31
28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Certainly not! Instead, we uphold the law.

Can't you people see that the church is in contradiction to Paul by teaching you that since you are justified apart from the works of the law of Moses you therefore nullify the law of Moses? Paul says the opposite in the passage above. Stop misreading the Bible according to what the church teaches you and start using the Bible as the source of your discernment of what the church teaches.

 

[HisLife]

What part of Hebrews 6:1-8 makes me think they were saved? Only in that they had tasted of the heavenly gift and the powers of the age to come. What is the heavenly gift but salvation? You really think the people mentioned had never partaken of salvation?

No, To Partake Has a wide range of meaning Throughout scripture It can means to associate with, and to share in some of the benefits of that association. It doesn’t carry any inherent meaning in regards to savings benefits, it simply means to partake of some benefit or influence. Look at the difference in Language in 2 Peter 1:4 “Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”

To taste means you tried or had a tester but didn't want to eat it, My 3 year old with any new food can I taste that, tastes is Its either can I have more or no I don't like it, You can taste something and spit it out, So no the Language doesn't indicate they where saved and lost there Salvation

 

[HisLife]

No, that would be the antigospel or apostasy by works.

Semantics but Do you think There is anything Somebody that is Saved can Do To Lose There Salvation

 

[BarneyFife]

Semantics but Do you think There is anything Somebody that is Saved can Do To Lose There Salvation

Yes. They can discontinue abiding in Christ and lose their assurance of salvation. Bestowing and revoking salvation itself is God's business on His timetable.

 

[HisLife]

Yes. They can discontinue abiding in Christ and lose their assurance of salvation. Bestowing and revoking salvation itself is God's business on His timetable.

Do you think they are more powerful than God? no way, Do you think Jesus Could Lose them By there own choice, Or Worse God Would take away one He has Given To Jesus, Not gonna Happen

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

IOW you pick and choose which parts of the Mosaic Law you wish to keep then?

We have scriptural precedents that guide us into discerning whether or not a particular law finds it's fulfillment in the work of Christ or through us when we walk by the Spirit. That is how we 'pick and choose' what gets literally upheld and kept by us and what does not have to be.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It means we establish the law and why it was given ultimately in the first place. but I am not under the authority of any of the 613 commands of the Mosaic Law. What does it mean to you?

That does not answer the question. What does it mean to 'establish the law'?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You are welcome , but don’t think it necessary to “ thank” me for presenting Paul’s Gospel Of Grace to you —- I do it for purely selfish reasons....I want to see you get Saved!

Thank you, but I'm saved already. I know that for sure because I can see the Holy Spirit at work in me bringing me to obedience to God's commands and not just because I tell myself I'm saved.

1 John 3:24
24Whoever keeps His commandments remains in God, and God in him. And by this we know that He remains in us: by the Spirit He has given us.

 

[justbyfaith]

Luk 8:12, Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luk 8:13, They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

These verses indicate that someone can have saving faith (faith that saves them from their sins, Matthew 1:21, Titus 2:14) and yet fall away later.

One thing that Hebrews 6:1-8 is clear on...that if someone does fall away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance.

Perhaps this is the reason why some on here teach that repentance isn't necessary for salvation. Because they fell away and because they know that they cannot be brought to repentance; so they lie to themselves telling themselves that they can be saved apart from repentance.

Considering that He has promised to never leave you nor forsake you? Considering that He has put His seal of ownership on you? Who can go against that? God made you, and has declared you His property. You're thinking you might walk off somewhere? I don't see that.

Rom 11:20, Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21, For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22, Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

And Scripture CANNOT be broken.

Right....so the scripture that I have posted above cannot be broken. So you are going to have to try to reconcile it with your verses on eternal security.

 

[justbyfaith]

So how do you fulfill the righteous requirements of the dietary part of the Mosaic Law by walking in Christ? <fify>

We fulfill the dietary requirement on behalf of those whose consciences would be affected if we were to indulge in the breaking of the food laws.

1Co 8:8, But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

Rom 15:1, We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
Rom 15:2, Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.

 

[Brakelite]

God Promised to “FINISH the Job that HE started”........God said that if you simply “ Came to Him, with Faith in His Son, Jesus Christ”—— “HE” would Save “ YOU” to the “ UTTERMOST”......God Never says that anybody who “ asks to be Saved” will be put on PROBATION .....He say that “ Anybody that asks to be Saved “ WILL BE SAVED!”
The Monkey is on God’s back . He put it there. The most vital thing in the Universe is at Stake —— HIS WORD! If I ask God to Save me and He does not Save me.....He is a Liar .....I stake the Eternal Salvation Of myself and my Family on the Promise That “ it is impossible for God to lie”.....
“Will not the Lord Of The Universe do what is right.” I’m willing to stick my neck out just a little.... I believe God keeps His Word .That’s what Faith is.Faith is what Saves a Soul......I got that.How About you?

You are absolutely correct. God's promises are sacrosanct. Totally 100% trustworthy. If you come to Him through faith and also to His mercy and grace, you will be saved. God will keep His word.
But in the process of keeping His promises to you, does He take away your free will? Can you choose to go down a different path through sin? It may begin as a small seeming innocuous sin, like for example spending more time paying attention to the pretty neighbor than your wife. Such attention may be fun and enjoyable, and you may at first have no lustful intentions. It was just " innocent" fun. But then your feelings changed. The more time you spend, the more intimate you got. All of a sudden you've stepped over the line. You know you've stepped over the line, your wife knows because she's beginning to react unavoidably, you then have a choice. You may love Jesus... Go to church every Sunday... Read your Bible often... Pray with your children... Want to be saved even at this stage... But you still have a choice. And your choice will decide your future. The Bible says to run away from even the appearance of evil. But you are having such fun. And she's so pretty. She's also smart. And she really likes you. And you start to reason with yourself... And the wrong choice you make of your own free will turns you to a path that eventually takes you away from God altogether. You don't consciously decide you no longer want to be saved... You do decide that sin is preferable to righteousness. And at that moment, God can no longer keep His promise... Because that promise was never unconditional.
If you want to live the life of the Saved, you must refuse constantly not to live the life of the lost when temptation arises. A fall from grace isn't the result of just one offense. It is the choice to continue down a path of what you know is sinful behavior once it has been revealed to you be the holy Spirit. Your resistance to the holy Spirit in such a situation is blasphemy... The sin is unpardonable.

 

[Brakelite]

If you've turned away from what your 3rd grade teacher taught you, you need to change your mind about the path you've taken and do an about face and come back to what you know to do.

Except the 4th Commandment. Your third grade teacher taught you to remember the Sabbath. But the pupils reason among themselves and decides that the actual day is no longer holy, that the teacher is wrong.

 

[Brakelite]

The elephant in the room we're possibly dancing around is that Christians do not lose their assurance of salvation by works, good or bad, but by severing their connection with Christ, which they are free to do at any time.

Which many do through sin... Which causes a separation between you and God. The decision to separate may not be a conscious one, but the choice to sin to a point where the holy spirit is grieved at your continual reluctance to repent...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Which is why you shouldn’t do it.

And, “ of course “ it’s just as simple as that, isn’t it ? Lol....you never have an impure thought , do you......

Lol....just how “ stupid” do you think we are out here?

You aren’t fit for a discussion......later...
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[Brakelite]

Can't you people see that the church is in contradiction to Paul by teaching you that since you are justified apart from the works of the law of Moses you therefore nullify the law of Moses? Paul says the opposite in the passage above. Stop misreading the Bible according to what the church teaches you and start using the Bible as the source of your discernment of what the church teaches.

Yet you are doing exactly that to justify your rejection of the 4th Commandment. Your faith in Christ according to you nullifies the 4th.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

That's what I see in the mirror every day. I'm guessing you see something similar every day too, right? Lol.

Don’t I wish! Lol....