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[Michiah-Imla]

Everyone of you guys have thoughts that would “ shame Hell”

Ephesians 2:3 KJV
[3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

The question is:

1. Are you fulfilling those thoughts?

2. Or are you doing this:

2 Corinthians 10:5 KJV
[5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

3. And this:

Romans 12:2 KJV
[2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Or has this happened to you; projecting your deficiency on others:

Romans 1:28-32 KJVS
[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, [30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I'm not taking any chances that I will be forgiven if I don't confess my sins. If I were to gamble on that and lose, I would end up having some sins not be forgiven. So, I seek to walk in the light as He is in the light so that He can pinpoint all of my sins; and hopefully, I will be all caught up by the time I reach the end of my life.


And it is this “ Not Take any Chances” approach to Salvation that could see to it that you are never Saved at all.
The Gospel Of Paul that you WILL BE JUDGED BY has Two Parts to it ( for the sake Of argument, let us set aside the “ Resurrection” part for the time being.....that is the second part of the Two things one MUST Believe to be Saved and nobody seems to have a problem with that half of the Equation)
Let us single out that First Part .......The First part is that Jesus died for your sins—- ALL of them.If this were not true, had Jesus NOT died for ALL of Of your sins , Paul would indeed have to incorporate all of the things that you say must be done.But He didn’t .NO talk of having to confess or repent of the rest of your life’s sins.NO talk of the Necessity to stay “ Caught Up” on all of your life’s Sins, lest you be damned....
If Paul maintains that Trusting in his two-part and two-part “ ONLY” “ Gospel Plan to get one made “ Fit For Heaven” turns out to have left out the things that “You” mention , and the things that you concentrate on turned out to be Determining Factors in Salvation.....Paul would have been “Beyond” Evil to have left them out !
If it were not Bad “ enough” that Paul left out your Essential Additions —- he actually goes much farther to insure your Damnation if what you say is True! He maintains that you can add nothing to his way or you will be Scarily considered , “Fallen from Grace ! “ Yikes !
And as if “ this” were not enough to steer a person wrong —- He Goes on to say if you TEACH any additions to his Two Conditions Only Version Of Salvation , you are “ Accursed”— Damned forever by God.....Double Yikes!
It seems that a person must make a decision — go with Paul’s Version Of the Way to Heaven — The Gospel Of 1cor.15:1-4 , which appears to be a “Gamble” for somebody that lacks Faith because it “REQUIRES NOTHING “ from you , other than BELIEVING it.....or go with the Way to Heaven that appears to be “ safe” —- the way that does not require you to have Faith and Faith alone....no need to PROVE you have Faith by “Letting go and letting God”—- “THAT” would require Courage ..... a Type Of “ Courage” BASED on whether God keeps His Word or Not.THAT is FAITH .A Faith tested by being “ Tried in the Fire” ....
Is your so- called “Faith” in YOU and your ability to perform the things that Paul never even “ MENTIONED” —- the things you do for “God ? ” Or is your Faith in the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing - a Gospel That is totally dependent on what God did for “you?”.......Some say the choice you are forced to make in that regard Is the difference between Heaven and Hell . I buy that. How about you?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Tricky verse to base your view on there If you wear performance-based Glasses this is a scary scripture. It is dealing with Hebrews

The book of “Hebrews” is not dealing with the Jews exclusively. It is dealing with the brethren, Timothy expressly being mentioned as a brother (Hebrews 13:22-23).

I am in awe at the risk you people take in nullifying all the warnings in the New Testament; To think that all the good verses are for you, and all the bad ones are for the Jews; astonishing...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Don't Speak To mine She thinks I'm great. She is the worst one to ask I ask her often She just gets excited and says there is nothing I can change Im Great the way I am....For a genius that might be her shortcoming, As For Myself Lord Help Me...You Nailed it BB Its Pride, Love for themselves, I Really Think They Don't See or understand Grace, They Think they are doing fine, Delusional if you ask me, Its all About His Grace, His Grace is sufficient, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift do they not understand...Mind Boggles

These types do not understand Grace because Grace-has-never been granted to them.....without God’s Grace they are Lost....They are unconcerned .....They put their TRUE Faith NOT in Jesus, and in Him ALONE —- They put their Faith in their “ Good Moral Guy” Performance and in their Super Memories to keep their “Lucky Repentance” Slate up to date.....
It does not matter what particular form it takes...They are ALL additions to Paul’s Gospel of pure Grace ....False, Perverted Gospels That damn all that promote them as the Way to be Saved....
Don't take My Word for ANYTHING ....Galatians is so clear....so easy to understand ....read it....THEN tell me that I am wrong ....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Ephesians 2:3 KJV
[3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

The question is:

1. Are you fulfilling those thoughts?

2. Or are you doing this:

2 Corinthians 10:5 KJV
[5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

3. And this:

Romans 12:2 KJV
[2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Or has this happened to you; projecting your deficiency on others:

Romans 1:28-32 KJVS
[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, [30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

One lustful, impure thought makes you the equal of an Adulterer .If you break one Commandment , you are as guilty before a Holy God as the man who broke them all.....you wanna discuss the thousands of “ Sins Of Omission” That you are guilty of....
You just can’t see it, can you ? God has got you , me, and everybody else trapped like the Rats that we are . Fortunately, God has provided a “ Loophole” for us Sinful Rats.....you don’t have to be “ Perfect” and you don’t even have to “ Pretend” to be Perfect.....all you have to do is accept a free gift. The Gift is Grace .....a Grace That stems from a Love That is beyond human comprehension .
It’s like God is saying .....”look , you Fallen Dummies ! Can’t you GET it? You can’t do a thing to get Salvation ! I’ve made up my mind to just GIVE IT TO YOU! Why won’t you just RECEIVE a FREE GIFT ? Especially knowing the fact that if you REJECT IT , I am going to send you to Hell !” Yes, Pride boggles the mind, doesn’t it?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

One lustful, impure thought makes you the equal of an Adulterer

Which is why you shouldn’t do it.

..you wanna discuss the thousands of “ Sins Of Omission” That you are guilty of...

No. Because God took them away when I repented and believed the gospel.

all you have to do is accept a free gift

I accepted the gift years ago.

It’s like God is saying .....”look , you Fallen Dummies ! Can’t you GET it? You can’t do a thing to get Salvation

Yes, I know this.

Why won’t you just RECEIVE a FREE GIFT ?

I have received it.

Now that that’s out of the way:

Here’s the evidence that you have not received the gift in vain:

1 John 1:6 KJV
[6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth

Ephesians 5:8 KJV
[8] For ye were once darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light

But it’s impossible for you to walk in the light because you have voided the law to yourself:

Proverbs 6:23 KJV
[23] For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life

Thus showing that you do not love the Lord:

John 14:15,21 KJV
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.

[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Now go get the word back from the enemy that has taken it from you and put it into your heart and hide it there where the enemy cannot find it.

Deuteronomy 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart

Job 22:22 Receive, I pray thee, the law from his mouth, and lay up his words in thine heart.

Ezekiel 3:10 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears.

Psalms 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Romans 3:31
31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Please explain to us why we can ignore this verse of scripture.

Why d o you ignore the verse that says the law is a school master and we are no longer under a schoolmaster?
YOu yourself have declared that we can ignore some of teh Mosaic Laws because of cultural advancements. Why do you ignore them? That verse says THE law not just most of it!

Could it be your understanding is off? The bible does not contradict itself. So if we are no longer under the law but yet faith upholds the law- what say you? (hint: 1 cor. 15:56)

EVERYBODY knows you are not made righteous by keeping laws. The church does not need to be reminded of this. The problem is we've gone the complete other way and decided that since you aren't made righteous by the law you don't have to uphold the law. You just have to have warm fuzzy feelings for everyone. And look what a worthless do nothing church that teaching has created.

And yet you have declared that you do not uphold parts of the law because they are no longer culturally required! How do you keep the Sabbath?

What law? Be circumcised? Or, love your neighbor as yourself? Please explain what the law being a school master means.

All 613 commands God gave Moses are called "THE LAW".

You forget the law was not made for a righteous man. and we are righteous in Christ! when we walk in the spirit we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh!

Gal. 3:

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I beg to differ.

We are not any longer under any kind of law but we are under grace (Romans 6:14).

There is only one verse that defines sin as a law anymore, and that is Romans 8:4. Walking according to the flesh is what we would now define as sin.

Romans 8
King James Version

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

We live under the law of the Spirit which has a totally different dynamic than the Mosaic Law.

Really?

Mat 5:17, Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19, Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20, For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Yes REally!!

fulfill:
plēroō (Key)
Pronunciation
pla-ro'-o (Key)

Part of Speech
verb
ἐπλήρου — 1x
ἐπληροῦντο — 2x
ἐπληροῦτο — 1x
ἐπληρώθη — 7x
ἐπλήρωσαν — 2x
ἐπλήρωσεν — 4x
πεπληρώκατε — 1x
πεπλήρωκεν — 2x
πεπληρωκέναι — 1x
πεπλήρωμαι — 2x
πεπληρωμένα — 1x
πεπληρωμένη — 3x
πεπληρωμένην — 1x
πεπληρωμένοι — 4x
πεπληρωμένους — 1x
Πεπλήρωται — 1x
πεπλήρωται — 3x
πληροῖς — 1x
πληρούμενον — 1x
πληρουμένου — 1x
πληροῦν — 1x
πληροῦσθε — 1x
πληροῦται — 1x

Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: fulfil (51x), fill (19x), be full (7x), complete (2x), end (2x), miscellaneous (9x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
   
   1. to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
      
      1. I abound, I am liberally supplied
         
2. to render full, i.e. to complete
   
   
   1. to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
      
      
   2. to consummate: a number
      
      1. to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
         
         
      2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
         
   3. to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
      
      
      1. of matters of duty: to perform, execute
         
         
      2. of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
         
         
      3. to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment
         

Hebrews 8:12-13
King James Version

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

old:
Transliteration
palaioō παλαιός (G3820)

Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: wax old (2x), make old (1x), decay (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage G3820; to make (passively, become) worn out, or declare obsolete:—decay, make (wax) old.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Was Alfreds handsome portrait supposed to be “ you” or was it supposed to be “me” ....I can’t respond properly until I know who that handsome devil is !!

That's what I see in the mirror every day. I'm guessing you see something similar every day too, right? Lol.

Regardless .....if you want to hear a song that I actually recorded....Google this—- “you tube Alfred e Neuman song it’s a gas”....it will bring tears to your eyes

I've made a cover of that song many times, lol. Especially around the holidays.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why d o you ignore the verse that says the law is a school master and we are no longer under a schoolmaster?

I don't ignore it. I know what it actually means. And it doesn't mean I don't have to uphold it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

YOu yourself have declared that we can ignore some of teh Mosaic Laws because of cultural advancements. Why do you ignore them?

Because they just don't apply to my situation. For example, I don't crap on the ground. I don't own a field. And I don't own any servants.

That verse says THE law not just most of it!

Upholding the law means you're not in violation of any of it. By believing in the work of Christ, and walking by the Spirit, a person does not violate any law of Moses. And so it is in that way that it is 'kept' by the obedient believer. Not the disobedient believer. And surely not the unbeliever. They do not uphold the law.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Could it be your understanding is off? The bible does not contradict itself. So if we are no longer under the law but yet faith upholds the law- what say you? (hint: 1 cor. 15:56)

The mistake you are making is thinking that 'not being under the law' means you don't have to keep any of it. That's what the church teaches. But not being under the law means 1) I no longer have to approach God through foods and ceremonies and earthly priests. I don't need to because I'm already brought near to God through Christ, the New and better Sacrifice and Priest. And so I'm not 'under' the law that way. And 2) I'm not under the law in that I have the Perfect and Everlasting Sacrifice of Christ and his ministry covering all my transgressions of the laws that remain for me to keep, and so I'm not under the condemnation of the law. And 3) because I'm a new creation that is actually now able to keep the laws that remain for me to keep I'm no longer under the power of the law to arouse and increase sin in me. All these are what it means for the believer to not be under the law anymore. But in no way does not being under the law anymore mean I do not have to keep the laws that remain for me to keep, summarized in the royal law 'love your neighbor as yourself'. Once you understand this you'll see how the Bible does not contradict itself when it says you are not under the law, yet you uphold the law.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And yet you have declared that you do not uphold parts of the law because they are no longer culturally required! How do you keep the Sabbath?

Not having to literally keep the Sabbath any more is not a cultural issue. The believer does not have to keep the literal Mosaic Sabbath because he is already brought near to God in Sabbath Rest through the work of Jesus Christ. Why keep a law telling you how to enter into Sabbath rest when you are already in Sabbath rest through Christ to God's complete and total satisfaction? That is why that particular law, and laws similar to it, have been laid aside as unneeded and obsolete now (Hebrews 8:13). Not destroyed, not broken, not trampled on, just not needed anymore. God even calling it 'satisfied' and 'fulfilled' for the believer.

And, obviously, all the remaining laws summarized in 'love your neighbor as yourself' that still apply to us culturally are not satisfied by Christ on the cross and his ministry in the heavenly tabernacle, but rather by and through us as we submit to the Holy Spirit within us. And so in all these things the law is upheld by the obedient believer, not cast down and trampled on and allowed to be broken by the believer as the church teaches.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

All 613 commands God gave Moses are called "THE LAW".

You forget the law was not made for a righteous man. and we are righteous in Christ! when we walk in the spirit we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh!

Yep! And so it is that when we believe in Christ and we walk by the Spirit we uphold all the righteous requirements of the law. And when we fail, the blood of Christ cleanses us so that we aren't under the condemnation of the law. And so the righteous man is not under the law. But the unbelieving, unrighteous man, he is the one who is under the law, just as God himself ordained. That mission and function of the law is for the unrighteous man, not the man made righteous in Christ.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Think about this. Does you and I no longer being under our 3rd grade schoolmasters mean we are now free to not obey everything they taught us? Or does it mean that we are not under our schoolmasters because we have grown up into capable bodies and minds and have within us the power and the motivation and the skill to do what they taught us? All the things they hammered us with from the outside are now written on the inside of us. But there are tools that those schoolmasters used to get us to where we're going, and where we're now at, that we simply don't need anymore.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Because they just don't apply to my situation. For example, I don't crap on the ground. I don't own a field. And I don't own any servants.

By the way, this doesn't mean I can't learn spiritual truths, or similar literal truths from these laws that don't apply to my particular situation or culture.

 

[Brakelite]

Yep! And so it is that when we believe in Christ and we walk by the Spirit we uphold all the righteous requirements of the law. And when we fail, the blood of Christ cleanses us so that we aren't under the condemnation of the law. And so the righteous man is not under the law. But the unbelieving, unrighteous man, he is the one who is under the law, just as God himself ordained. That mission and function of the law is for the unrighteous man, not the man made righteous in Christ.

Unless you ignore the law or the parts you disprove of then you can avoid that sense of "failure" and have no need to repent right?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Unless you ignore the law or the parts you disprove of then you can avoid that sense of "failure" and have no need to repent right?

If you've turned away from what your 3rd grade teacher taught you, you need to change your mind about the path you've taken and do an about face and come back to what you know to do.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

It is a works Gospel if you say you can lose salvation by your works

Not when you understand that your works are simply the expression of your faith.

Galatians 5:6 - The only thing that matters is faith expressing itself through love.

Your works are the outer, visible manifestation of your faith. No changed life of holy works signifies no faith. And no faith means you aren't going to be saved when Jesus comes back. You're living in unbelief.

It doesn't matter if it's true that the person who goes back to his life of unbelieving sinning is because he never had salvation in the first place or that it lost it. We each can decide that for ourselves and spare us all the endless, meaningless debate, lol. What we do know without doubt or contention is that you can't be an unbeliever living in sin when Jesus returns and be ushered into the kingdom. That person will go to the left and into the lake of fire. So don't play around with once saved always saved games and contentions and miss what really counts (faith expressed in the obedience of love). Focus on the irrefutable fact that if you die in unbelieving sin you do not have saving faith and so you will not be saved when Jesus comes back. That's where the focus needs to be. What good is it to settle the mystery of once saved always saved just for you to be sent into the lake of fire because you didn't focus on what really matters? Too many people are taking false assurance from a once saved always saved theology that they are saved instead of taking assurance that they are saved from whether or not they have the Holy Spirit in them in a changed life that obeys God, the way the Bible says you know for sure if you are saved or not.

1 John 3:24
24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

[BarneyFife]

It is a works Gospel if you say you can lose salvation by your works

No, that would be the antigospel or apostasy by works.