I am mad..needed to vent

[Nancy]

Now might not be the best time to be giving you advice, since you may not be wanting to hear any right now, but I know in the case of the election it would have taken far more prayers than just yours. The entire church needed to get serious before God, and I've never seen that happen in my entire lifetime of 56 years, which is why I was warning everyone repeatedly that things were likely not going to turn out well. I can't speak to your other situations, but I know in the case of the election I wouldn't be too hard on myself as if I hadn't done enough. I think many Catholics in particular betrayed a pro-life President and instead chose to vote for a proponent of infanticide, so it goes without saying most of them likely didn't pray.

But just relax. I believe very strongly He answers prayers, but they have to be in keeping with His will. That's where the real rub comes in.

My apologies if I responded when you weren't even wanting a response. Just thought I'd comment.

God bless, and peace be with you.
- H

Agreed brother,
We cannot forget either, that without "faith" or believing...without seeing in peace that it will happen...IF we know it is His will...it is impossible to please Him.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Agreed brother,
We cannot forget either, that without "faith" or believing...without seeing in peace that it will happen...IF we know it is His will...it is impossible to please Him.

I think one of the interesting things I learned (among many) this election season, Nancy, was that God's will will not interfere with the will of nations, or even the desires of the church. If either want something else, He will grant them what they desire instead. Likewise, if the church knows His will but does not want it bad enough to invest in prayer for it, they will not receive the blessings that were intended for them.

It's been an education. But yes, there comes a peace when you know not only what the will of God is but the spiritual state of the church, here and abroad. You know what's going to happen and why, so for the most part you just sit back and watch it come to pass, and trust that the God who reveals all things also has more in store; both judgments and blessings, depending on what the will of the church and the nations is in the future.

But God is always in control. :)

 

[Nancy]

I think one of the interesting things I learned (among many) this election season, Nancy, was that God's will will not interfere with the will of nations, or even the desires of the church. If either want something else, He will grant them what they desire instead. Likewise, if the church knows His will but does not want it bad enough to invest in prayer for it, they will not receive the blessings that were intended for them.

It's been an education. But yes, there comes a peace when you know not only what the will of God is but the spiritual state of the church, here and abroad. You know what's going to happen and why, so for the most part you just sit back and watch it come to pass, and trust that the God who reveals all things also has more in store; both judgments and blessings, depending on what the will of the church and the nations is in the future.

But God is always in control. :)

Amen.
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
Romans 8:28

 

[historyb]

What is your sickness?

I have been disabled all my life, pray after pray bupkis. My wife gets dizzy when she lays down, been praying and had prays, bupkis. Prayed for my parents to get better and not die, bupkis. Now not every prayer is bupkis just mine, my mom had the Church pray when I was little I was very sick and got better. I was saved several times from injury but when I pray nothing. Prayed that Satan would not win in this election, it appears Satan won. 75 million plus voted for President Trump out of that number conservatively somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 million plus prayed for a victory of God over Satan, it appears like bupkis happened.

 

[historyb]

So it seems all the time. There was a time this week I was very, very tempted to check it all and walk away. As Data said from one of the Star Trek First contact I was tempted for "Zero-point-six-eight seconds" to me that was an eternity but where would I go? No where so I stay even if I am miserable. Even if that sounded depressing I am better after going to Church on the Baptism of the Lord Sunday, renewing our Baptismal vows, and the most important thing taking Christ in the Eucharist

 

[reformed1689]

I have been miraculously healed a number of times but I still have a persistent cough and have lost count of the times people have prayed for me to be healed of it over many years. I know God heals, cos he healed me but I also know he doesn't heal every time.

So if you know God does not heal every time why do you think prayer does not work?

 

[quietthinker]

So it seems all the time. There was a time this week I was very, very tempted to check it all and walk away. As Data said from one of the Star Trek First contact I was tempted for "Zero-point-six-eight seconds" to me that was an eternity but where would I go? No where so I stay even if I am miserable. Even if that sounded depressing I am better after going to Church on the Baptism of the Lord Sunday, renewing our Baptismal vows, and the most important thing taking Christ in the Eucharist

How is it hb that your reference is science fiction?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So it seems all the time. There was a time this week I was very, very tempted to check it all and walk away. As Data said from one of the Star Trek First contact I was tempted for "Zero-point-six-eight seconds" to me that was an eternity but where would I go? No where so I stay even if I am miserable. Even if that sounded depressing I am better after going to Church on the Baptism of the Lord Sunday, renewing our Baptismal vows, and the most important thing taking Christ in the Eucharist

Data 0.68 seconds haha !
You know I was prejudice of Robots and the like, maybe not B9 on Lost in Space.

But I was recording Star Trek off TV and watching it and my baby would come and bag me for watching it, but one day she sat down and watched with me and then the next time and then she was hooked and went mad about it all, haha ! well she loves Data and I was like Data ! but she pointed out the reason why and yes then I too had more respect for Data I was some what prejudice of him to bother to look, he is a great actor, 2 points that I love much about him that my nipper hates and will not watch, is when Data the man was acting dumb as his 3rd brother the acting was superb and when Data sacrifice himself was brilliant.

People may bag such shows but such shows can activate the mind somewhat, funny that only the original and The next Generation is that way, but the rest is crap but for 7 of 9 only makes that other show, without her it's a total flop of boring people.

Inspiring is the word ! we all need inspiration and when we are down such gives us strength to carry on, I seen my dad cop it his whole life really badly in business but I could not believe that he got up again and again, he worked with me laying pavers at the age 70 with bad emphysema, he would fall to the ground gasping and then get back up again all day and keep going, and he drove a hour to that job and a hour back as well and he was more productive than most 20year olds at that.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Was my dad mad ?
Well I had this old Tiler say to me in Darwin, You don't have to be crazy to be a Tiler, But it sure as hell helps. we laughed ! truer words could no be spoken.

I said to my elder brother who is a Tiler, I said if I was a government worker in the social dole system and he came to see me, I would put him on the mental pension directly, I know one has to be out of there mind to do that work in fact.

 

[quietthinker]

hmmmmm, now we know Reggie!

 

[historyb]

But I was recording Star Trek off TV and watching it and my baby would come and bag me for watching it, but one day she sat down and watched with me and then the next time and then she was hooked and went mad about it all, haha ! well she loves Data and I was like Data ! but she pointed out the reason why and yes then I too had more respect for Data I was some what prejudice of him to bother to look, he is a great actor, 2 points that I love much about him that my nipper hates and will not watch, is when Data the man was acting dumb as his 3rd brother the acting was superb and when Data sacrifice himself was brilliant.

His sacrifice was indeed brilliant and did make me emotional, I was partial to spot :) Bret Spinner was on Frasier and he met Frasier's ex wife and he was almost the same color as Data, not as heavy makeup but you could see the white real good and it was great and the bit was funny

People may bag such shows but such shows can activate the mind somewhat, funny that only the original and The next Generation is that way, but the rest is crap but for 7 of 9 only makes that other show, without her it's a total flop of boring people.

I agree about 7 of 9. I liked Enterprise because I already loved Quantum Leap so I was already predisposed to like it with Scott Bakula as Captain. My favorite was Tripp and I hated the end and what they did. The books though fixed that mistake.

 

[historyb]

Thank you everyone. I just needed to vent, while I am better I take one day at a time

 

[WaterSong]

I have been disabled all my life, pray after pray bupkis. My wife gets dizzy when she lays down, been praying and had prays, bupkis. Prayed for my parents to get better and not die, bupkis. Now not every prayer is bupkis just mine, my mom had the Church pray when I was little I was very sick and got better. I was saved several times from injury but when I pray nothing. Prayed that Satan would not win in this election, it appears Satan won. 75 million plus voted for President Trump out of that number conservatively somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 million plus prayed for a victory of God over Satan, it appears like bupkis happened.

Does your wife have high blood pressure? Maybe look at, Benign Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo and see if the symptoms attributed to that condition sound familiar.
I know it all seems like God let us down. We have to trust it will all work out. Well, we don't have to of course, but it beats the alternative.

 

[historyb]

God is not a genie and a prayer is not a wish.

He already knows our wants/needs before we do and how and when to respond to each want/need accordingly. Therefore, what should we be praying about? To love Him more, for example.

Never said He was did I? What are we suppose to feel when 60 million plus people prayed in the name of Christ, which Christ said to do in St. John 13:14, St. Matthew 21:22, St. John 16:24, etc, and there was what appears to be nothing. If you'll read my post 45 you'll see that my prayers don't really get answered at all. In my ways to be a Christian is to court disappointment not happiness

 

[historyb]

Does your wife have high blood pressure? Maybe look at, Benign Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo and see if the symptoms attributed to that condition sound familiar.

No she doesn't. They have tested her all over and they don't know, the doctor gave her exercises but they are stumped.

I know it all seems like God let us down. We have to trust it will all work out. Well, we don't have to of course, but it beats the alternative.

True, we else are we to go. I am better but it will take time to get back where I was. God is always God weather He answers pray or not and let His children down mightly

 

[WaterSong]

No she doesn't. They have tested her all over and they don't know, the doctor gave her exercises but they are stumped.

Sorry to hear. Holding you both in prayer.

 

[historyb]

You do not have to literally say that to show that is what you actually expect. Now I read your post and when you speak about the things you prayed for and were disappointed to have not gotten thus far, I can only interpret it as somebody who is bitter towards God for Him not granting their wishes.

Nope, God told us to pray in His name in Faith and He would see we get it. I am not an idiot and I know God's not a genie so stop that wish stuff right now, we are told to ask and the things I ask for were not frivolous. I never try to ask anything unless it is an absolute need.

I am not bitter toward God I just accept that maybe God isn't what we Christian think He is. I still love Him but this week has made me wonder if He is that powerful or if He is (which I believe He is) than God is the watch maker whom just wound up the watch and is letting it run. When I took my NT class I learned about that idea of the great watch maker and we all thought it was silly, but after all maybe it was true I don't know.

Just like I told @WaterSong it will take me time. Also if you saw more of m post you would have seen where I said I feel much better after I went to Mass renewed my Baptismal vows and had the Real Presence.

As my title says I just needed to vent, not be told how bad I was because all my urgent prayers were wishes and that I God out Lord for granted

 

[historyb]

Untrue and unfair.

Not really. You pretty much told me in an implied sense that I was wrong for even praying and acted like I didn't think much of God which is very highly insulting since all you can do is read my post but not really know or understand me. I never treat Him whom is like a genie. I am trying to process things, work them out and like @WaterSong said in another place we have a right to be angry. We have a right to express the emotions we were given by the Almighty and right now many of us need to not just me and we need understanding.

If I was bitter I would leave Christianity because there would be no reason to stay.

 

[Storm]

I'm encouraged by your honesty, @historyb . I'm not about to condemn you for it. This requires no small measure of courage, to speak plainly without duplicity nor the desire to tickle the ears of those who hear (or read as it were). There's no lie to be found in your words and this is what the Lord desires of everyone. God knows the secrets of our hearts so there's no deceiving the Almighty to whom nothing is hidden.

Isn't that the lesson of Cain? Not only did Cain slay his brother Abel, but he lied to the Lord who surely knew all that Cain had done. A lying tongue is an abomination to the Lord.

I'll be honest with you in return. By no means are we spared from suffering while we toil in this world. There was a man whom God declared as righteous before the sons of God and even Satan who entered into His presence. Have you considered My servant, the Lord said to the wicked one, a blameless man who fears God and turns away from evil? There is no one else like him on earth.

Satan, asserting that this upright man feared God for nothing, petitioned the Lord to withdraw His hand from His servant. If the Lord did so then surely this blameless man would curse God to His face! The Lord granted the accuser's petition but forbid the evil one from taking his life.

You know the story of this man. If Job, whom God declared upright and blameless, suffered the loss of everything he held dear and was reduced to scraping sores in the dust, then surely men like us will suffer as well. Indeed, Jesus Christ who was spotless without blemish was numbered among transgressors for the sake of His friends. He suffered greatly for our sake!

No, suffering isn't easy by any means. I suppose that's why we call it suffering. You have my sympathy, hb.

 

[Cristo Rei]

I am mad, I am betrayed by many, I hurt, I am depressed. I and many others prayed and you know what we got bupkis, that's what we got. I am sick and freak-in tried of people giving verse after verse after verse as if that will help anything. I am sick of people quoting verse about the end times. I am SICK OF IT ALL!

We pray and pray, nothing happens in most cases. I have prayed consistently to get healed, bupkis again. I prayed for a wheelchair van for four frakin years, my Church prayed but still it took four years. I prayed so my parents wouldn't die yet they did six hours apart. Every time I took it to prayer and I just prayed in thanksgiving many times. So now we put all our trust in God, prayed to Him and nothing. Millions of people prayed for the right thing to be done and nothing.

Don't tell me prayer works anymore. To be a Christian is to court massive disappointment

It saddens me to read this cos your one of my favourite people on this forum... I know that you have endured more suffering and pain than most so your faith is inspiring to me...

Who are you to be asking God to change His plans. Who am i to be making such demands. Who is anyone to be asking God for favours... I personally stopped praying for things in this world a while ago... Its hard to explain why but you described a large piece of it...

Some people will ask God for anything and everything such as a sunny day tomorrow or success for their sports team... But who are we to be asking and expecting such favours from God, to be asking him to change His grand plan just for ourselves... I found myself feeling rude and self centered asking for such things when i have very little understanding of Him, His plan, pain, suffering, death, the afterlife, everything... What do we know... Not much at all i believe...

Sometimes we ask for the impossible... Is it fair to ask God to keep your parents alive? For how long? Should u die first? What makes your parents any different to others? Was God supposed to keep them here just for you while everyone else mourns the death of their parents? No offence my friend but who do u think u are expecting such a miracle from God? Your only one soul out of almost 8 billion on earth... Would it be fair to give one person such attention while deserting the rest???

I have no children or partner and my parents are the only people left in this world that are really close to me...
Their 70 and 75 and have their medical issues... I know when their gone i will have no one else that loves me and i will have no one to love... it will be a hard thing to get over... But i can't ask God to change His plans just for me, i don't even understand what pain and suffering is for, why we are even here in the first place...

So, these days i find myself praying a lot for God to give me the strength and wisdom to overcome whatever challenges and devastation that i may encounter... Instead of asking him to keep intervening in our lives...

This life may seem long but its only a tiny fraction when we compare it to eternity...
I remember my dad first teaching me what infinity was when i was a boy... I was great at maths but i could never grasp the meaning of infinity and i suspect it is actually impossible for anyone to grasp what infinity is, what it looks like and feels like...

So then... I will pray for you brother, but not for God to change things...
Instead I will pray for the strength and wisdom of God to overcome adversity, to be with you through the Holy Spirit...