Human Freewill the devil's greatest trick

[Episkopos]

I would say that God is irresistible in the matter of salvation, once we are saved, born again, we are SET FREE.

Set free from what? Being born again makes you a baby believer. Babies are not mature. The only freedom that Jesus came to bring us is a freedom from the power of sin. And babies are not free from that power. So your idea of salvation is a religious one. Being born again is a change in the inner man, a regeneration. But it is without power until we enter INTO Christ.

This freedom is very real. Two times God showed me this, two times I entered into a windowed building where there was a wee birdie trapped, I prayed "Lord let him trust me to set him free" and twice these little fellows hopped onto my hands and I was able to carry them out and let them go free ... what a pleasure it was to see them mount up on wings of joy up and away ...

The Bible speaks of this freedom. But that only comes about by the putting away of the outer man. You need to die in order to live. There is no understanding of this in the modern church since Christianity became a religion rather than an actual empowered spiritual life.

Wherever they fly they cannot fly out of reach of God, nor can we. But we are free to love and serve the Lord and the church.

No one is ever out of the reach of God.

We are free to walk in our own power or else to go to God in order to abide in Christ. When we do that we walk as He walked. Otherwise we will succumb to the power of sin in the outer man. In Him is no sin. When we put on Christ we put on His nature.

We are created in the image of God in the inner man. But the outer man is fashioned according to the fallen nature under the corrupting influence of the devil. Being set free is then within ourselves, from our own old natures that sin.

Then we can fly to God to abide with Him in kingdom life. That life is eternal.

It is important to know the difference.

 

[Grailhunter]

Now God knows how the natural progression of things are going to turn out....and that is fine. And if He does not like it, He can work with people...then He can also use His power of predestination to change some things. Was David an example of God working with someone or was it predestination, or both?

Total sovereignty and total awareness, He can see how it all ends....At that point there is no need to use any other divine power. He knows. But when He locks it down, He takes ownership of the sin, because at that point the world is a stage with string puppets and some of the puppets are force to sin by the power of God.

There can also debatably be issues with the limited use of predestination...If God predestined a single life....then we get into the issue of destiny...a concept or belief that is not warmly received by most Christians.

On this side of the coin it describes God with all the heart and characteristics of Satan. And this is a warning for all that read this, this is an evil that lurks within Christianity. A slithering subtle speaking snake the leads people astray. Reject these people and their teachings!

On the other side of the coin, it is a self edifying religion which stand against the teachings of Christ and all of the Apostles. All Christians are the same. And they may say publicly that in their beliefs that all Christians are the elect. But that is not what they really believe. They lie and people that find out the truth and leave their congregations will tell you that they lie. Look at conferences that certain denominations have had over the concerns of these Predestinationists infiltrating their ranks.

Overall the concept or beliefs of double predestination or total predestination makes no senses what so ever and is the worst of blasphemies against God.

Calvinists and their type are one of the examples I use for the justice scenarios of Judgement Day. How a Christian can believe in Christ and be saved but fail Judgement Day? Can you imagine the questions that Christ is going to ask these people? That is why I give this serious warning because their beliefs are a dream come true for Satan....A religion that blasphemes God and Believing Christians burning in hell. And those that are there awarded their punishment, not only for what they accused God of, but for leading whole families astray.

 

[Marymog]

I did not have freewill until Jesus set me free, to say you have freewill is to say you already are free.

Free from the bondage to sin and free from the bondage to death. Jesus will set YOU free in an instant if you will believe on Him.

Sooooo God made you write your OP?

 

[Renniks]

I would say that God is irresistible in the matter of salvation, once we are saved, born again, we are SET FREE.

So grace is only irresistible until you are saved, then we resist? What a silly idea.

 

[Billy Evmur]

So grace is only irresistible until you are saved, then we resist? What a silly idea.

I didn't say resist without consequences.

God is irresistible in His day of power, believe me, technically Saul of Tarsus could have resisted God on the Damascus Rd but it is just unthinkable that he would have. When God is determined to save He will save.

When we are saved, born again, we are SET FREE it is important to understand the nature of this freedom. We are free to be the persons God created us to be.

But seems like christians having been set free just can't wait to sign themselves up once more to some kind of bondage, for reference take the church at Galatia and by the end of Paul's ministry he has to say sadly "all Asia is turned away from me"

It's men and their doctrines ... they just love to have their little disciples sitting at their feet. they are trying to impress their own image on people.

If the doctrines are good that is well and good but if they are false doctrines they lead the people back into bondage.

"Therefore stand fast in the freedom wherewith Christ hath set us FREE" cries Paul.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Sooooo God made you write your OP?

When I see the nonsense you preach I cain't help myself ....

 

[Billy Evmur]

Set free from what? Being born again makes you a baby believer. Babies are not mature. The only freedom that Jesus came to bring us is a freedom from the power of sin. And babies are not free from that power. So your idea of salvation is a religious one. Being born again is a change in the inner man, a regeneration. But it is without power until we enter INTO Christ.



The Bible speaks of this freedom. But that only comes about by the putting away of the outer man. You need to die in order to live. There is no understanding of this in the modern church since Christianity became a religion rather than an actual empowered spiritual life.



No one is ever out of the reach of God.

We are free to walk in our own power or else to go to God in order to abide in Christ. When we do that we walk as He walked. Otherwise we will succumb to the power of sin in the outer man. In Him is no sin. When we put on Christ we put on His nature.

We are created in the image of God in the inner man. But the outer man is fashioned according to the fallen nature under the corrupting influence of the devil. Being set free is then within ourselves, from our own old natures that sin.

Then we can fly to God to abide with Him in kingdom life. That life is eternal.

It is important to know the difference.

All has been done by Jesus for us on the cross. The greater your understanding of the cross the more Christlike you shall be. Rest in Christ.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Answer to what?
The Bible is all about interpretation, you and others like you chose to have God responsible for all the evils of the world and that it is His choice to do the greatest of evils and cruelty and damn those that aren't even born yet. You march to the devil's drums.

The bible is not for any man to interpret. God says what He means and He means what He says.

You cannot find a scripture that says God is responsible for human sin, nor can you find anything I have said. Nor can you find a scripture that says God predestined any man to be damned, nor do I say it.

 

[Billy Evmur]

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let's stick to the bible.

 

[Episkopos]

All has been done by Jesus for us on the cross. The greater your understanding of the cross the more Christlike you shall be. Rest in Christ.

It is the power of the cross that saves us from sin, not an understanding of the cross. We are to be crucified with Him, dead to sin as He is. It is the power of grace that causes us to walk like Jesus, not a belief in grace.

 

[Grailhunter]

The bible is not for any man to interpret. God says what He means and He means what He says.

You cannot find a scripture that says God is responsible for human sin, nor can you find anything I have said. Nor can you find a scripture that says God predestined any man to be damned, nor do I say it.

Of course it is not in the scriptures! The whole idea is somewhere between absurd and satanic.
No God is not responsible for sin because He does not predestinate reality at all.
No He does not damn people either because he does not predestinate choice.
So I am so happy that you have given up the whole predestination thing....congratulations. Welcome to the real world.

 

[Renniks]

If the doctrines are good that is well and good but if they are false doctrines they lead the people back into bondage.

But your doctrine says we have no freedom at all. If grace is irresistible how do we choose anything?

 

[TheslightestID]

Isaiah 34:15-17 NIV - "The owl will nest there and lay eggs, she will hatch them, and care for her young under the shadow of her wings; there also the falcons will gather, each with its mate. Look in the scroll of the LORD and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together. He allots their portions; his hand distributes them by measure. They will possess it forever and dwell there from generation to generation."

You need to state your point clearly.

 

[TheslightestID]

Predestination is real

the question is what view of predestination do you hold,

Ok.

 

[TheslightestID]

To be clear I do ... the question is predestined and chosen unto what?

Thank you, and sorry to hear that.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ok.

? You do not agree?

 

[Marymog]

When I see the nonsense you preach I cain't help myself ....

Is that a yes or a no?

I suspect you see the dilemma you are in that is why you refuse to answer

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

You need to state your point clearly.

Okay . . . sorry. So . . . what the story about the owls and falcons discusses, are the Heavenly Scrolls that catalog the events of all life and events on earth. If the Lord can cause Creation to act specifically, so that each owl and falcon with their mates all arrive at a specific place at a specific time . . . how much more does He have our days planned for us?

As much as I suffer, it is a beautiful thing to be under the total control of the Holy Spirit, the Mind of Christ. Conversely, and even though I lived a life of sin and much pleasure, I was struggling, as I was being controlled by the Sinful Nature, the Mind of the Devil.

When I lived in sexual promiscuity, I was miserable, yet I loved every moment of it. I was miserable, yet I could not stop doing what I loved. And yet the more I loved sexual promiscuities, the more I hated it . . . and myself. The very thing that gave me so much pleasure was also the thing that was causing so much pain. I couldn't stop doing the things I hated, for it was not me doing the sinning, but the Evil Nature with me. I, David . . . had nothing to do with the sin, because prior to having my Circumcised by Christ, I was, of course, still under the influential Power of the Devil and his evil Nature.

Romans 7:17, 20 NKJV - "But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. ... "Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."

Do you remember when this "lifting" of the Sin Nature happened to you? Do you remember how you felt when your mind instantly began to think along the lines of a new and Divine Nature? The difference was incredible, wasn't it? You know of this Holy Operation of Faith, don't you? Anyone who has had it can surely understand, exactly, what Paul is describing in Colossians 2:9-15. Check this out in the KJV. The Holy Operation of Faith, the Circumcision of Christ!!

Colossians 2:9-15 NKJV - 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with [Him] through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it."

So . . . through the Work of Christ, He defeated Satan and his minions in your life and boom . . . you began to think and live differently. Do you remember when that process began? And now . . . after likely so many years, your full Transformation story must be amazing . . . no? Now you live by the Divine Nature, and anyone who has experienced this shift in thinking can certainly relate to what Adam and Eve when through as their entire thought process changed . . . totally. All of a sudden they had darkness in their hearts when before, all they knew what the Light. And for us, when we are Transformed through the undertaking of the Divine Nature, we escape the corruption of this world. It is beautiful . . . is it not?

2 Peter 1:4 KJV - "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

As you can likely relate . . . why would we ever choose to "lose our salvation" when we have undertaken such an incredible change? Sin is deceptive, but the Peace and Love that comes Powerfully from God is not. That . . . that is real.

Thanks for reading my point (and more . . . sorry about that. Typing just got away from me.)

 

[Billy Evmur]

Is that a yes or a no?

I suspect you see the dilemma you are in that is why you refuse to answer

I am in no dilemma at all ... God has set me FREE, that's what He predestined for me. He didn't programn me or make me a robot.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Thank you, and sorry to hear that.

Why are you sorry that I should believe in a doctrine taught by Paul? don't you believe Paul's doctrine?

Maybe YOU make the same mistake Calvin made, he supposed that the doctrine of predestination must mean God predestined people to hell. Is that what you believe? Paul does not say so.