Selene, in case you are wondering if I missed your posts to me.... No, I see your posts to me, posts filled with evil lies. I am ignoring you for now on.
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Selene
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Infact we still say in the creed that we "believe in one holy catholic and Apostollic church,"
Wow, is that right? I didnt know that - so non-Catholics say that too in the creed, how interesting.
Aspen/Selene, peace and love, brother/sister - Can you tell me what Puis X is all about, please?
Mike
Hello Mike,
Pope Pius X is mainly known for standing against modernism. Modernism means an exaggerated love for modern ideas and Pope Pius X opposed it vigorously because it meant to go against the authority of the Pope. Modernism declares that the authority of the Pope and its constitution are irrelevant. Pope Pius X taught that obedience to the Pope was necessary - something which the founder of the Traditional Catholics did not follow. Their founder stood against Vatican II, went against the Catechism, and was found to be disobedient to Pope John Paul II. Their founder was excommunicated by the Vatican.
Hello? I have you quoted as posting "Yes Pius X is a traditional Catholic, but he choose to NOT be in good standing with the Holy See/Vatican." This is what you posted.
LOL!! This is so funny! LOL!!! :lol: You said that Pius X chose not to be in good standing with the Holy See....and he WAS the Holy See! LOL! I guess he chose not to be in good standing with himself? LOL!!!!! That is the most oddest statement I've ever heard in my entire life. LOL!!! :lol:
Selene
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Hey Aspen,
Did you catch what Anastacia posted? :lol: She posted this:
This post is so funny!!! LOL!!! She adtually posted that "Piux X chose not to be in good standing with the Holy See/Vatican"...and he WAS the Holy See! LOL!!!! :lol:
Did you catch what Anastacia posted? :lol: She posted this:
This post is so funny!!! LOL!!! She adtually posted that "Piux X chose not to be in good standing with the Holy See/Vatican"...and he WAS the Holy See! LOL!!!! :lol:
Of course everything I claimed about you, I am actually the only person guilty of - your rubber and I am glue - this is your classic M.O.
Ah so you "meant" to write a sentence incorrectly - my mistake. Sorry but, "Hypocrite much" is not proper English either, but don't let rules stop you, Anastacia. I really think it is amazing that you believe all I have done on this thread is insult you. Selene and I have gone to incredible lengths to ignore your constant goading, mocking, scoffing, and ridicule of ourselves and our beliefs - it has been so blatant that noncatholics have noticed and spoken out against it, only to be ridiculed by you as well. Yet, you have apparently justified treating us like this because you believe we are wrong and you are right AND on top of all of this you also get to be the victim! Hilarious. I am speechless, Anastacia.......this is not the way to treat your worst enemy, let alone people who interpret the same sacred scripture differently, for shame.....
BTW, where did I claim that you were apart of Pius X? I am not sure how you can justify making a claim like this.
Hey Aspen,
Did you catch what Anastacia posted? :lol: She posted this:
This post is so funny!!! LOL!!! She adtually posted that "Piux X chose not to be in good standing with the Holy See/Vatican"...and he WAS the Holy See! LOL!!!! :lol:
Nothing surprises me about Anastacia at this point.....haha. Also, apparently Anastacia thinks questions are accusations - I ASKED her if she was apart of this group, I never accused her. Of course, this theory makes a lot of sense - she seems to think we are required to answer her accusations as if they were questions too
Selene
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I agree. We have been attacked, but I have to admit....that post that Anastacia posted about Pius X really cracked me up.
Sorry, but I just can't help laughing! I've seen rude comments and comments that don't make any sense, but this one really cracked me up! LOL! 
The skull of a man who died 1000 years ago is adored and venerated by the Roman Catholics and the Pope.
The skull of the Roman Catholic priest can be adored in Old Goa in Goa in India.
Catholics dig up buried "saints" and put them out to be bowed to, prayed to, and even kissed.
If this doesn't prove to any one that what the Catholic's do is wrong, then what will?
Guidelines for winning an argument at all costs while avoiding meaningless discussion and possible agreement....
1. Make an outrageous claim. It doesn't matter if the Pope is or is not speaking infallibly, or if you take a comment out of context, or if the group you belong to is just as guilty as the group you are making accusations against, because the goal is not to be fair minded or even handed or even accurate; all you need to be concerned with is igniting an emotional response from your opponent rather than a logical one. Remember, you are always right and your opponent is always wrong; your job is to simply supply enough emotional rope for your opponent to hang himself.
2. Rely on Mocking or Sarcasm to ignite passion: If you are of a conservative ilk, rely on a mocking, morally superior tone to deliver your message (James White, Ann Coulter, etc); if you happen to be liberal use a lot of sarcastic humor to exalt yourself above your opponent's attempts at presenting himself/herself as morally superior (John Stewart, Steven Colbert, Al Franken). BTW, liberals get the most points when they present themselves so convincingly that even conservatives mistake them for a conservative! (Archie Bunker)
3. Do not give an inch: If your opponent happens to stumble upon a true statement, ignore, deny or re-frame the conversation! In all cases, never concede even a minor point to your opponent.
4. Make your opponent work harder: Always remember that you are right, regardless of the facts presented, and you will eventually prove it by weathering any storm that may be created due to the information your opponent happens to give you. Most importantly, make sure he spends most of his time researching the topic; you must put him in a place where he feels like he has to prove you wrong. If he presents troubling information to you about your own position simply refuse to acknowledge it. The fact is you set the pace and the agenda of the debate; your opponent is either a brainwashed innocent or at worst, a conniving, interloper who has no right to challenge your superior position, and only appears to have the nerve to do so without merit. Most importantly, he is challenging you intentionally; therefore it is the "Christian" thing to do to put him back in his place.
5. Do not bother reading posts or listening to responses from your opponent: After all, reading your opponent's posts may ignite emotions within yourself, or take your mind off your primary goal, winning. Instead of reading, skim your opponent's post for statements that can be molded to aid you in your ultimate goal. The best statements are usually the most irrelevant to your opponent's point - why re-post something meaningful or relevant? Oh, and make sure you continue to apply the steady drumbeat of either mocking / moral superiority, or sarcastic humor.
6. Stay the Course!: Eventually your opponent with either hang himself or simply tire of the interaction; in both cases, you must declare victory immediately. Like any good staring contest or series of tic-tac-toe draws, it is not the person that presents the best case who wins, but the person who is left standing.
And the beat goes on, right Anastacia?
1. Make an outrageous claim. It doesn't matter if the Pope is or is not speaking infallibly, or if you take a comment out of context, or if the group you belong to is just as guilty as the group you are making accusations against, because the goal is not to be fair minded or even handed or even accurate; all you need to be concerned with is igniting an emotional response from your opponent rather than a logical one. Remember, you are always right and your opponent is always wrong; your job is to simply supply enough emotional rope for your opponent to hang himself.
2. Rely on Mocking or Sarcasm to ignite passion: If you are of a conservative ilk, rely on a mocking, morally superior tone to deliver your message (James White, Ann Coulter, etc); if you happen to be liberal use a lot of sarcastic humor to exalt yourself above your opponent's attempts at presenting himself/herself as morally superior (John Stewart, Steven Colbert, Al Franken). BTW, liberals get the most points when they present themselves so convincingly that even conservatives mistake them for a conservative! (Archie Bunker)
3. Do not give an inch: If your opponent happens to stumble upon a true statement, ignore, deny or re-frame the conversation! In all cases, never concede even a minor point to your opponent.
4. Make your opponent work harder: Always remember that you are right, regardless of the facts presented, and you will eventually prove it by weathering any storm that may be created due to the information your opponent happens to give you. Most importantly, make sure he spends most of his time researching the topic; you must put him in a place where he feels like he has to prove you wrong. If he presents troubling information to you about your own position simply refuse to acknowledge it. The fact is you set the pace and the agenda of the debate; your opponent is either a brainwashed innocent or at worst, a conniving, interloper who has no right to challenge your superior position, and only appears to have the nerve to do so without merit. Most importantly, he is challenging you intentionally; therefore it is the "Christian" thing to do to put him back in his place.
5. Do not bother reading posts or listening to responses from your opponent: After all, reading your opponent's posts may ignite emotions within yourself, or take your mind off your primary goal, winning. Instead of reading, skim your opponent's post for statements that can be molded to aid you in your ultimate goal. The best statements are usually the most irrelevant to your opponent's point - why re-post something meaningful or relevant? Oh, and make sure you continue to apply the steady drumbeat of either mocking / moral superiority, or sarcastic humor.
6. Stay the Course!: Eventually your opponent with either hang himself or simply tire of the interaction; in both cases, you must declare victory immediately. Like any good staring contest or series of tic-tac-toe draws, it is not the person that presents the best case who wins, but the person who is left standing.
And the beat goes on, right Anastacia?
Here aspen calls the church pope Pius X belonged to as a "schism" church. Do you want to laugh at aspen, Selene?
You shouldn't laugh so hard at someone, Selene. Through all your posts standing up for the lies of the Catholic religion....I did not laugh at you as you did me. What you do is much too serious to laugh about. And I'm not laughing at your wrong explanation of pope Pius X and traditional Catholics. Pope Pius was a traditionalist.
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[font="tahoma][color="#8B0000"]Overlooking the overwhelming odor of condescension in this post; I wish it were true that you did understand why Catholics "do the things they do" Anastacia, but you have confirmed with everyone of your posts that you do not even understand what Catholics believe, let alone why we believe what we believe.[/font]
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Here aspen calls the church pope Pius X belonged to as a "schism" church. Do you want to laugh at aspen, Selene?
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Looks like you got me again, Anastacia.....
Now, why don't you answer my question about how you can say you were Catholic and reject the teachings of Pope JPII? And, BTW is this the post where I accused you of being a member of Pius X? Questions are not accusations / accusations are not questions.
Just admit you made a mistake, Anastacia
I did
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[font="tahoma][color="#8B0000"]Overlooking the overwhelming odor of condescension in this post; I wish it were true that you did understand why Catholics "do the things they do" Anastacia, but you have confirmed with everyone of your posts that you do not even understand what Catholics believe, let alone why we believe what we believe.[/font]
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Here aspen calls the church pope Pius X belonged to as a "schism" church. Do you want to laugh at aspen, Selene?
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Looks like you got me again, Anastacia.....
Now, why don't you answer my question about how you can say you were Catholic and reject the teachings of Pope JPII? And, BTW is this the post where I accused you of being a member of Pius X? Questions are not accusations / accusations are not questions.
Just admit you made a mistake, Anastacia
I did
That is your false belief to say I don't understand what Catholics believe. I was a Roman Catholic for many years. You and Selene twist and ignore things I say. I explained to you that traditional Catholics believed the teaching that popes are infallible, and they believed the popes when they said no one outside the Catholic Church would be saved. Pope John Paul II changed that belief about those outside the church for ecumenical reasons. Other things about the Catholic church were changed too, but the traditional Catholics liked it the way it was. I also explained that many traditional Catholics are in good standing with the Vatican.
And you need to stop putting me down as to why I expose the Catholic religion for it's falsenss. I told you I do it because of love.
I admitted I made a mistake when I was in false religions. What mistake do you want me to admit? and what mistake did you admit to? Did you and Selene not teach here that pope Pius was excommunicated? My mistake was believing that you knew what you were talking about when you said pope Pius X was from a schism church. I admit I should of checked on what you said on not of figured you knew what you were talking about.
What do you think about the dead bodies the Catholic church puts on display for veneration?
Notice the crown on the statue of "Mary."
The present Pope praying to the lady of Fatima.
The Catholic religion teaches that the highest honor a pope can give is to crown the statue of Mary, or the statue of the Infant Jesus of Prague.
Question: Is it the highest honor for the statue of Mary? Or is it the highest honor for Mary? Is it the highest honor for the statue of the infant Jesus? Or is it the highest honor for Jesus? Or, is it the highest honor for the pope to get to do the crowing on the statue?
Please answer my question.
I must warn you though, any answer you give will be in error!
Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
Aspen, It doesn't matter to me what religion you think I was. Now what do you think of the pictures? Will you please answer my question about the crowning of the statues?
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So you are horrified by what your church does? And these are not out-dated practices, as you said in your earlier post. The present pope Benedict XVI venerates the remains of the dead decayed "saints" that are on display. Anyone can search to see that this is what the Catholics believe. What the Catholic church does should be exposed.
This is the current pope Benedict XVI venerating a dead "saint."
The Pope is in need of deliverance. What is the Pontiff doing in front of this skull and mummified body in Viterbo in central Italy?
Aspen, Will you please answer my question about the crowning of the statues? And will you admit you were wrong when you said the displays of the decaying "saints" is no longer practiced by the Catholic church? Refrain from falsely judging why I posted them, but do tell what you think of the practices.
Notice the crown on the statue of "Mary."
The present Pope praying to the lady of Fatima.
The Catholic religion teaches that the highest honor a pope can give is to crown the statue of Mary, or the statue of the Infant Jesus of Prague.
Question: Is it the highest honor for the statue of Mary? Or is it the highest honor for Mary? Is it the highest honor for the statue of the infant Jesus? Or is it the highest honor for Jesus? Or, is it the highest honor for the pope to get to do the crowning on the statue?
Please answer my question.
I must warn you though, any answer you give will be in error!
Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
Note: I was trying to correct a word, but accidently reposted this. It is good that this is posted again anyway.
You asked me what I thought of the pictures and I told you. I also told you that venerating relics is outdated - my opinion is not wrong - it is my opinion. Also according to you anything I say is wrong so I will decline.
Do you have a real question rather than a "look at this evil practice! Defend this Aspen so I can call you a heretic"? - and no, I am not calling the practice evil.....
As soon as you are interested in having a real conversation instead of barking at a carnival side show - let me know.
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