Once Saved Always Saved

[amigo de christo]

So you believe eternal life is temporary and dependent on you doing something?
You believe that you can pluck yourself out of God shand even though He said no one can?

Unfortunately you are citing passages that have nothing to do with salvation.

Paul did teach Jesus would never forsake us!
Hebrews 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

there is no footnote saying that He won't forsake you unless you forsake Him first.

The bible makes it clear- people who look saved but walk away- did not lose their salvation- they never had it!

Matt 7 , Jesus says I NEVER KNEW YOU, not I knew you once but don't know you now!

1 John 2 says there went out from us for they were not of us. They were tares in the midst of the wheat!

Sorry but once one is born again- they are a child of God forever! They may be a disobedient child at times and maybe even for a protracted season, but they are still a child!

When even JESUS warned a church to hold fast and let no MAN take thy crown . Oh yes , if we do not cling
to the truth of Christ and sit under them false prophets and those who preach those other ALL INCLUSIVE false love go spells .
IF we be moved away from the HOPE of the gospel . Yeah we are in dire trouble . However look at the mercy of GOD .
HE warned the churches . He did not just remove them , HE warned and warns first .
We must continue in HIM faithful even unto death .

 

[kcnalp]

you have serious issues

Because I'm not an OSASer? OSASers love to make false accusations and judge NON OSASers as unsaved!

 

[kcnalp]

Which OSASers won't confess to be Christians and have made it clear to you they are not a Christian and have deliberately lied on their profile?

Not one OSASer who is attacking me has confessed to being a Christian. One even denied that "Christian" is Biblical. That's when I started asking OSASers if they were Christians. Not a one has confessed to being a Christian.

 

[kcnalp]

I'm totally convinced that you have no knowledge and understanding of Scripture as shown through your writings!!!

Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

However, I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong.

You said Romans 11:22 was written to Christians, I say otherwise.

Now read verses 17-24 and after reading will you still say if the verses speaks to the Christians?

To God Be The Glory

So you just pick the parts of the NT you like! Typical OSASer!

Romans 1:7 (NKJV)
7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:

 

[Wrangler]

But let us not fear man . Just focus on Christ and biblical doctrine . And let us always forgive those who persecute us .
BUT , and yes this too is a BIG BUT , BUT NEVER CONFORM to their mindset

Very well said.

 

[Ezra]

Because I'm not an OSASer? OSASers love to make false accusations and judge NON OSASers as unsaved!

the only false accusations as you say is yours. do they not have the right to believe how they want ? or would you be trying to promote a one world belief ? you really need to get a life and let them believe how they want. i have yet to see a post that says NON OSASers are unsaved. i have many friends who are osas i been to there Church and not one time have i ever heard that statement . you really have serious Mind issues . i hope everyone else at the church you attend is not like you

 

[Ezra]

Which OSASers won't confess to be Christians and have made it clear to you they are not a Christian and have deliberately lied on their profile?

what eh is not understanding is salvation is personal and a relation ship with Christ . we are fruit bearers not fruit inspectors . i have friends who are Pentecostal. i dont question if they are saved...

 

[amigo de christo]

the only false accusations as you say is yours. do they not have the right to believe how they want ? or would you be trying to promote a one world belief ? you really need to get a life and let them believe how they want. i have yet to see a post that says NON OSASers are unsaved. i have many friends who are osas i been to there Church and not one time have i ever heard that statement . you really have serious Mind issues . i hope everyone else at the church you attend is not like you

Speaking of a one world belief , i truly wish all believed in the glorious LORD JESUS .
However speaking of a one world belief , this false sensual love we are one unity all inclusive pc gospel that Is fast infecting many churches even ,
WILL be the dominate belief . not only of all false religions , even of secular , of all the world . Of all who are not in the lambs book of life .
We better ensure that none are partaking in it .
We cannot ever once say JESUS IS MY WAY , but other religions have their way to God . cause that is being a partaker in a false love all inclusive we are one unity LIE .
We better hold our profession that one must BELIEVE IN JESUS , CONFESSING HIM by mouth and believing from the heart that GOD has raised HIM
from the dead to be saved . cause if we , in any way shape or form accept this other lie , we are partakers in the damnation
of all who we let feel saved in their own religoin and in their own sin . I say this cause i am watching
all denominations go down a road with unity with Rome and even over fifty percent of evangelical christains now beleive GOD is okay with all
religions . What a sham that is . WE must hold to the original gospel and firm to the end and be not moved away from that
Be not taken in with the error of this false love wicked move . Or we shall hear at our end , I DIDNT KNOW YOU , You allowed
and told folks they didnt need me , that budda could save them if they had love , or allah could save them if they had love
ITS a sham from hell . And i better never see one that speaks it .

 

[kcnalp]

the only false accusations as you say is yours.

Another false accusation with ZERO proof! Typical OSAS tactic!

do they not have the right to believe how they want ?

Certainly and I have "the right" to defend the Bible.

or would you be trying to promote a one world belief ?

And another false accusation!

you really need to get a life and let them believe how they want.

I'm a believe in Jesus of the Bible. OSASers say I can never be unsaved. I can't lose! Can you?

i have yet to see a post that says NON OSASers are unsaved.

Even though OSASers constantly judge and attack NON OSASers as unsaved?

i have many friends who are osas i been to there Church and not one time have i ever heard that statement . you really have serious Mind issues.

Since you are avoiding the Bible like plague I will overlook your lie.

i hope everyone else at the church you attend is not like you

Are you a Christian? I am.

 

[kcnalp]

what eh is not understanding is salvation is personal and a relation ship with Christ . we are fruit bearers not fruit inspectors . i have friends who are Pentecostal. i dont question if they are saved...

Are you a Christian? I can't seem to get an answer from that question from OSASers.

 

[amigo de christo]

what eh is not understanding is salvation is personal and a relation ship with Christ . we are fruit bearers not fruit inspectors . i have friends who are Pentecostal. i dont question if they are saved...

Well , was paul in error when he told some , I stand in doubt of you . no .
Inspect that fruit . And if sin is spotted we must do all to correct our brethren .
Folks this idea that we are not to inspect fruit is a mockery to Christ . HE said Ye shall KNOW THEM by their fruits .
I am not saying this to be mean or hateful . But too many have learned a new way to evangelize and this new way
is not saving one single soul . We have learned the modern way to judge not , and it is given unto us to beleive
that somehow if we correct or spot sin and name it as sin , we are JUDGERS . THIS IS NOT TRUE .
Paul often listed the sins of the flesh . HE often said if a brother is in a sin , covetous , fornicator , uncleanliness etc
DONT even eat with such a one . correct them , dont just leave them to their own demise .
The church is truly in shambles . But remember this
What did GOD tell some of those churches . HE not only rebuked some for following false doctrine and comitting fornication .
HE rebuked one and said , YE EVEN ALLOW IT . THIS IS not right what many have been taught .
I beg , i plead , i throw my hands up with tears and say , GO BACK to bible reading and stop heeding men with acroynms
and their doctrines . WE GOTTA LEARN JESUS . Please . I love you all . I TRULY DO . but this madness must be stopped .

 

[kcnalp]

Well , was paul in error when he told some , I stand in doubt of you . no .
Inspect that fruit . And if sin is spotted we must do all to correct our brethren .
Folks this idea that we are not to inspect fruit is a mockery to Christ . HE said Ye shall KNOW THEM by their fruits .
I am not saying this to be mean or hateful . But too many have learned a new way to evangelize and this new way
is not saving one single soul . We have learned the modern way to judge not , and it is given unto us to beleive
that somehow if we correct or spot sin and name it as sin , we are JUDGERS . THIS IS NOT TRUE .
Paul often listed the sins of the flesh . HE often said if a brother is in a sin , covetous , fornicator , uncleanliness etc
DONT even eat with such a one . correct them , dont just leave them to their own demise .
The church is truly in shambles . But remember this
What did GOD tell some of those churches . HE not only rebuked some for following false doctrine and comitting fornication .
HE rebuked one and said , YE EVEN ALLOW IT . THIS IS not right what many have been taught .
I beg , i plead , i throw my hands up with tears and say , GO BACK to bible reading and stop heeding men with acroynms
and their doctrines . WE GOTTA LEARN JESUS . Please . I love you all . I TRULY DO . but this madness must be stopped .

Paul who wrote more Books of the Bible than anyone was in error?

 

[justbyfaith]

Paul who wrote more Books of the Bible than anyone was in error?

I don't think that @amigo de christo is saying that Paul was in error.

 

[kcnalp]

I don't think that @amigo de christo is saying that Paul was in error.

I hope I'm wrong!

 

[Waiting on him]

Are you a Christian? I am.

So is Biden.

 

[Wrangler]

1. God is silly. He gives someone eternal life, knowing He is going to take it back again because of sin.

This is inaccurate summary. The OFFER of salvation is eternal. Some accept it. Some don’t. Some of those that don’t previously accepted it.

Look at it this way. Every year I have a Christmas party and invite everyone. Excepting last year‘s invitation does not mean you are excepting this year’s invitation. Why would anyone reject the OFFER of salvation?

I think the OSAS crowd suppose one and done while disregarding Paul admonition to die to Christ daily.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That would be true if God was not faithful to encourage us in our believing.

Remove the encourage part.

Our hope is in the promise of Christ (eternal life)

Our belief is based on that hope. the only way we lose it is if God is unfaithful..

Have you witnessed God ever being unfaithful all through scripture even once?

 

[justbyfaith]

Remove the encourage part.

Our hope is in the promise of Christ (eternal life)

Our belief is based on that hope. the only way we lose it is if God is unfaithful..

Have you witnessed God ever being unfaithful all through scripture even once?

God is faithful...

And, those who have a nominal, shallow, or lukewarm faith (mere mental assent to the tenets of the gospel) can fall away (Luke 8:12-13) or be "cut off" (Romans 11:20-22).

So, if someone falls away or is cut off, do they continue to have salvation?

I believe that an answer of yes is heresy.

 

[Wrangler]

Our belief is based on that hope. the only way we lose it is if God is unfaithful..

I’m sorry but you keep on supposing we have no responsibility in violation of Matthew 7:21.

 

[justbyfaith]

I’m sorry but you keep on supposing we have no responsibility in violation of Matthew 7:21.

Now, Matthew 7:21 does not teach that we are saved by our works...

Otherwise it contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9.

As someone said, it is descriptive rather than prescriptive.

It teaches that those who are truly born again will do the will of the Father, because they are born again.

Not that they are saved by doing the will of the Father.