amigo de christo
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Devin wants all voices that oppose praying to mary and saints and angels silenced . I was not mean to gary at all .
I never attacked him once . Out of love i only warned him .
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I never attacked him once . Out of love i only warned him .
amigo de christo
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cause i did not know . I did not know what his church did or did not do .
And he told me so i answered him . Now its done . I cant make or force him to hear what i say .
But i will say this , i must continue to always try and help others and warn against any false doctrine .
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a worshipping of angels , saints and mary etc .
This is dangerous to the soul of any who does so . SO where would my love for gary or anyone else be , IF i just closed an eye
and did not warn them . Many are gonna end up silencing the wrong voices .
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Ya had me worried there, kid.No, I think my heart was squeezing for maybe 10 seconds but it's done now. I'm alright.
Thats it no more energy drinks
Or coffee
I didn't eat anything today and drank one of those Bang drinks and that was it. A little rest and I'll be okay.
You mean the tabernacle, and the temple.
Hebrews 9:6-8 KJV
6) Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7) But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8) The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Hebrews 10:9 KJV
9) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:19-22 KJV
19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21) And having an high priest over the house of God;
22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Exodus 34:29-30 KJV
29) And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.
30) And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.
Exodus 34:33 KJV
33) And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face.
Exodus 20:18-19 KJV
18) And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19) And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
Hebrews 1:1-3 KJV
1) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hebrews 10:20 KJV
20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
2 Corinthians 3:15-18 KJV
15) But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16) Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Romans 8:29 KJV
29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
2 Corinthians 5:16 KJV
16) Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Romans 6:11 KJV
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrews 10:19-20 KJV
19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Hebrews 4:14-16 KJV
14) Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16) Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Much love!
That is not true amigo. Your statement does not reflect my intentions. I thought it wise to let people know that denomination attacks are against the rules. I think people that repeatedly attack a denomination should eventually be reported. If someone can't follow the rules of the forum and repeatedly shows that problem, then yes they should be reported.
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Wow--HOT topic!Certainly division and judgement are not good, and love is what ought to be. However, the criticisms are not completely unwarranted. Let us not forget that the prophets (sent from God) did a great deal of criticism. But we should indeed consider not doing so without first examining the post in our own eye.
It is necessary to address the specific errors and false doctrines of any and all groups who call themselves Christians. But that is not the same as generic "church bashing". Let's say you take the Catholic dogma of Purgatory. Since there is absolutely nothing in the Bible to indicate such a place, it is obviously a false doctrine. But the CC holds on to it tenaciously and the practice of indulgences is still there.
However, at the end of the day, Catholics will not give up this idea. You can call that "church bashing" or you can call it "refuting the teaching of Purgatory". The same would apply to the false doctrine of Soul Sleep (souls sleeping six feet under the soil). Both of these are absurd teachings, but hundreds of thousands hang on to them. And even after you have shown the error, they refuse to give it up.
I agree, there's a difference in addressing false teaching, and attackng the faith of, as you say, generic groups of people.
Much love!
What I meant by it, I read someone's comment that "western Christianity . . ." and they went on to say what they thought was wrong with "western Christianity". So I popped over here and vented. I don't know whether that person attends a church or not. It's just, "The church today . . .", "western Christianity . . .", to me these are empty of meaning, vanity, and tear down rather than build up.
Now, you want to talk about a specific church, a certain pastor, that's not what I'm talking about here, but someone may find themselves corrected by God if they get that wrong.
Much love!
You caught my post before I deleted it. As I misunderstood your OP. I see a lot of bashing of those that don't attend church against churches in general. But I misunderstood. I didn't see the post of western Christianity.
While I haven't vented on people I did report one person for repeatedly bashing the Catholic church as it is a denomination. I read the rules I guess and expect people to play the game by the rules.
Some people though have looked for a gathering and couldn’t find one. I know some people find that hard to believe.
I tried to find one after I received the down payment of the Spirit.
I don’t know if they’re going to be in the right order but close, I think.
First one, the man was going on and on about how all the miracles did not literally happen. I certainly wasn’t going back there. How were they going to help me?
Next, one I tried where, before the service, they asked if anyone wanted to make any church announcements. So one lady gets up and starts complaining why wasn’t her friend sent flowers or a card when she was in hospital? A second woman gets up and, really, really loudly shouts, because she isn’t on the roll Nancy!! I told you that!!
A fairly longish back and forth went on and the preacher just stood up there looking defeated, or deflated, or something. I somehow have forgot, once the yelling ended, (which no one stopped, they just got tired of yelling I guess) what exactly his sermon was about, but it had something to do with money and he took his wallet out and was using bills as a prop for it…oh yeah, it was how to grow your money in a way God approves of. So I wasn’t going to go back there either.
Next one I tried I remember I thought was better, he talked about Jesus at least. But when I went to leave, all these ladies flocked around me and politely suggested I should wear a dress if I come back. But I don’t own a dress, well, except for a black evening dress I wore once like, 20 years ago. So I wasn’t going out to get special clothes. I can’t afford it.
Next one, he preached about politics and abortions and homosexuality and how you should vote.
So I decided church wasn’t what I thought it was going to be and they couldn’t help me and I just went back to reading and Gods done a pretty good job of teaching me all by Himself. And I did find some pretty good books in the classics section of a Christian bookstore that I bought as I was able to. A.W. Tozer, Hannah Whiteall (Smith?), um…oh, a tiny little green book by a man named Kelly…maybe Thomas or Robert? I got that at a thrift store. He belonged to some group called The Freinds? I pretty much wore that one out. Still have it somewhere. Some others. One book I didn’t recycle, I threw it away because it was so awful I didn’t want anyone else to read it because I was afraid they might believe it.
Then, after many, many years, I found a zoom meeting and it was pretty wonderful, but I had to leave it and won’t get into why because I love them dearly. I’m actually hoping to go back but we’ll see. For now I can’t.
So I think God will do whatever He decides for a person.
And I don’t want to bash gatherings but there’s a lot of leaven and I just say, no thanks. I had it in my mind when I tried to find one, that gatherings were for helping each other to build up our trust in God and maybe for talking about the spirit of the words rather than the letter. But two others I found that nothing horrible happened at just talked about the letter and I didn’t need any help with that. They were nice people at those two, but I don’t need the letter.
And the way some indoctrinated people act isn’t good. I just don’t want it. I don’t think they would do me harm, I just don’t know why I’d want to go listen to their doctrines. I’ve heard them all in here and I don’t care for most of them. Funny how I didn’t hear them in the gatherings I tried though…wait, I did hear some doctrine in the one where he talked about voting and abortions and gay people, but I didn’t care for them at all.
I tried to find one after I received the down payment of the Spirit.
I don’t know if they’re going to be in the right order but close, I think.
First one, the man was going on and on about how all the miracles did not literally happen. I certainly wasn’t going back there. How were they going to help me?
Next, one I tried where, before the service, they asked if anyone wanted to make any church announcements. So one lady gets up and starts complaining why wasn’t her friend sent flowers or a card when she was in hospital? A second woman gets up and, really, really loudly shouts, because she isn’t on the roll Nancy!! I told you that!!
A fairly longish back and forth went on and the preacher just stood up there looking defeated, or deflated, or something. I somehow have forgot, once the yelling ended, (which no one stopped, they just got tired of yelling I guess) what exactly his sermon was about, but it had something to do with money and he took his wallet out and was using bills as a prop for it…oh yeah, it was how to grow your money in a way God approves of. So I wasn’t going to go back there either.
Next one I tried I remember I thought was better, he talked about Jesus at least. But when I went to leave, all these ladies flocked around me and politely suggested I should wear a dress if I come back. But I don’t own a dress, well, except for a black evening dress I wore once like, 20 years ago. So I wasn’t going out to get special clothes. I can’t afford it.
Next one, he preached about politics and abortions and homosexuality and how you should vote.
So I decided church wasn’t what I thought it was going to be and they couldn’t help me and I just went back to reading and Gods done a pretty good job of teaching me all by Himself. And I did find some pretty good books in the classics section of a Christian bookstore that I bought as I was able to. A.W. Tozer, Hannah Whiteall (Smith?), um…oh, a tiny little green book by a man named Kelly…maybe Thomas or Robert? I got that at a thrift store. He belonged to some group called The Freinds? I pretty much wore that one out. Still have it somewhere. Some others. One book I didn’t recycle, I threw it away because it was so awful I didn’t want anyone else to read it because I was afraid they might believe it.
Then, after many, many years, I found a zoom meeting and it was pretty wonderful, but I had to leave it and won’t get into why because I love them dearly. I’m actually hoping to go back but we’ll see. For now I can’t.
So I think God will do whatever He decides for a person.
And I don’t want to bash gatherings but there’s a lot of leaven and I just say, no thanks. I had it in my mind when I tried to find one, that gatherings were for helping each other to build up our trust in God and maybe for talking about the spirit of the words rather than the letter. But two others I found that nothing horrible happened at just talked about the letter and I didn’t need any help with that. They were nice people at those two, but I don’t need the letter.
And the way some indoctrinated people act isn’t good. I just don’t want it. I don’t think they would do me harm, I just don’t know why I’d want to go listen to their doctrines. I’ve heard them all in here and I don’t care for most of them. Funny how I didn’t hear them in the gatherings I tried though…wait, I did hear some doctrine in the one where he talked about voting and abortions and gay people, but I didn’t care for them at all.
I was under the impression from what I read that it was one building and the holy of holies was divided off with a curtain. I thought that’s where they found Jesus when He wasn’t with the return group. Oh…did I say synagogue?
Many doctrines are bad. Not just in the catholic gatherings. Look at free will and how it breeds arrogance. Look at the one that says men are born immortal when they aren’t and how it breeds unmercifulness, and makes it appear some men are more merciful than God. Look at the one that tells men they are holy when they aren’t even righteous, taking away all fear of God.
JMyrick
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People just say that because of the bad churches that dirty God's image.
Well I think you’d be hard pressed to find any gathering or denomination that doesn’t have some harmful doctrine. But try to talk about it and you’ll be awful sorry you dared to touch the idols of their fathers!
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I do not disagree. I have no problem with pointing out false doctrine. And frankly, no one is saying tou can't bash churches... Just don't complain when they hit back.
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Oh really?
Jesus did a lot of teaching. He taught on the road, in mountains, private tutoring in homes... Heck... Anytime he spoke he was teaching! But are you prepared to say that 51% was done outside any building?
Matthew 26:55 KJV
In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves ac for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid ad no hold on me.
Daily.
Teaching.
In the temple.
amigo de christo
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Many doctrines are bad and deadly . I warn against all bad doctrine . Whether its catholic , protestant or whatever .
I dont pick and choose who to warn and who to pass over , out of love i warn any i see in a dangerous place .
We must . Lambs look out for lambs ,they dont just let folks sit under dangerous teachings nor those who would teach dangerous doctrine .
Yes, and yet, Scripture speaks more in detail of His ministry outside the temple. He taught in the temple because He came to His own and His own didn't receive Him. He gathered multitudes on mountainsides and taught, and we have been given much detail of these teachings.
But we are told to go out into the highways and the hedges. When we're gathering with believers, we can gather anywhere. My point is, there is no place that says where we must assemble. Only that we shouldn't neglect assembling with fellow believers.
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