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This is an old request but thought I would make a comment. I read through some of those evolutionists responses on your twitter. I am not a member of twitter. They seem no different than evolutionists on Christian Forums. The ones with science backgrounds are worse.
Apologetics is effective only if someone has their door open. If they are seeking God, then you can share, otherwise, you are wasting your time. I have resigned from years of attempts that go round and round with these folks. I wrote a 30-page Thesis on refuting Evolution. I got into the mechanics and theory inside and out and still, to this day, I only know two people out of hundreds that were swayed by my apologetics - only because their lives were coming to a end and they had no where else to go.
Faith comes by the Word. Jesus knocks on their doors, if they open it, He will come in and sup; if they do not, if is difficult to make any progress. It is a spiritual defect that prevents them and so God needs to be doing a work in them. Prayer is needed. Even if nothing works at the time, hopefully you planted some seeds to grow at a later time. Evolutionists appear to be in a fixed state. It is an act of rebelling against God and so they latch onto any mindset/theory that disproves God. They don't even have to get into it deeply, they just accept it. And since Darwin, the schools have adopted this teaching and so people absorb it and accept it. Most don't bother challenging it - don't have the time, they just latch on to it. Arguments have been developed for them to use and so they feel more emboldened to challenge the Christian. If they actually looked into the TOE, they would see all the flaws, the guessing, the junk science that is missing the initial conditions. They fill them in and present you with their garbage based on as you said, nothing. It's a house of cards.

Anyways, the last argument I developed against them to stump them had nothing to do with evolution at all. It has to do with the fetus development in the womb. I ask questions of how this process is ordered? I go into the complexity of cells, having thousands of factories producing proteins, amino acids, in a precision way. Actually the process inside the cell is more advanced than anything inside the Shuttle or anything else man has ever created. Does all this happen and get accomplished by blind natural selection or chance? Chance is nothing, it has no power, no will or mind. I ask them, "Do these cells have little brains able to communicate with other cells? Do they instruct the cells to create other cells, fibers, muscles, organs, systems within systems all simultaneously in accordance with the genetic code? Do they actually possess any intelligence or knowledge to be able to decipher these codes and create this incredibly complex fetus?" No! Something must guide this process, it is not some power generated by a willful sperm cell that finesses his way into an egg and has this genius idea to create a human and proceeds to get trillions of cells on board with the plan. No! Cells are guided by the power of God who designed them. Simply put, He knits them together in the womb. The mother does not have a clue about what is going on inside her. Even the most brilliant doctors are baffled by this miracle of life. God combines the genetic material from both parents and makes a unique offspring, yet still different then they are. God orchestrates the whole process inside the womb. After your presentation, let them offer their explanation. They can not.
 
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This is an old request but thought i would make a comment. I read through some of those evolutionists responses on your twitter. I am not a member of twitter. They seem no different than evolutionists in Christian Forums. The ones with science backgrounds are worse.
Apologetics is effective only if someone has their door open. If they are seeking God, than you can share, otherwise, you are wasting your time. I have resigned from years of attempts that go round and round with these folks. I wrote a 30-page Thesis on refuting Evolution. I got into the mechanics and theory inside and out and still, to this day, I only know two people out of hundreds that were swayed by my apologetics - only because their lives were coming to a end and they had no where else to go.
Faith come by the Word. Jesus knocks on their doors, if they open it, He will come in and sup; if they do not, if is difficult to make any progress. It is a spiritual defect that prevents them and so God needs to be doing a work in them. Prayer is needed. Even if nothing works at the time, hopefully you planted some seeds to grow at a later time. Evolutionists appear to be in a fixed state. It is an act of rebelling against God and so they latch onto any mindset/theory that disproves God. They don't even have to get into it deeply, they just accept it. And since Darwin, the schools have adopted this teaching and so people absorb it and accept it. Most don't bother challenging it - don't have the time, they just latch on to it. Arguments have been developed for them to use and so they feel more emboldened to challenge the Christian. If they actually looked into the TOE, they would see all the flaws, the guessing, the junk science that is missing the initial conditions. They fill them in and present you with their garbage based on as you said, nothing. It's a house of cards.

Anyways, the last argument I developed against them to stump them had nothing to do with evolution at all. It has to do with the fetus development in the womb. I ask questions of how this process is ordered? I go into the complexity of cells, having thousands of factories producing proteins, amino acids, in a precision way. Actually the process inside the cell is more advanced than anything inside the Shuttle or anything else man has ever created. Does all this happen and get accomplished by blind natural selection ... chance? Chance is nothing, it has no power, no will or mind. I ask them, "Do these cells have little brains able to communicate with other cells? Do they instruct the cells to create other cells, fibers, muscles, organs, systems within systems all simultaneously in accordance with the genetic code? Do they actually possess any intelligence or knowledge to be able to decipher these codes and create this incredibly complex fetus?" No! Something must guide this process, it is not some power generated by a willful sperm cell that finesses his way into an egg and has this genius idea to create a human and proceeds to get trillions of cells on board with the plan. No! Cells are guided by the power of God who designed them. Simply put, He knits them together in the womb. The mother does not have a clue about what is going on inside her. Even the most brilliant doctors are baffled by this miracle of life. God combines the genetic material from both parents and makes a unique offspring, yet still different then they are. God orchestrates the whole process inside the womb. After your presentation, let them offer their explanation. They can not.


That's a good example! No one is able to explain how homogenous zygote cells differentiate to become individualized fetal cells. Of a million other questions!

I keep re-reading, I really like the way you put this!

I ask questions of how this process is ordered? I go into the complexity of cells, having thousands of factories producing proteins, amino acids, in a precision way. Actually the process inside the cell is more advanced than anything inside the Shuttle or anything else man has ever created. Does all this happen and get accomplished by blind natural selection ... chance? Chance is nothing, it has no power, no will or mind. I ask them, "Do these cells have little brains able to communicate with other cells? Do they instruct the cells to create other cells, fibers, muscles, organs, systems within systems all simultaneously in accordance with the genetic code? Do they actually possess any intelligence or knowledge to be able to decipher these codes and create this incredibly complex fetus?" No! Something must guide this process, it is not some power generated by a willful sperm cell that finesses his way into an egg and has this genius idea to create a human and proceeds to get trillions of cells on board with the plan. No!

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Cells are guided by the power of God who designed them. Simply put, He knits them together in the womb.
So because the answer to the questions you proposed is "I don't know," that means a deity, specifically one you believe in is responsible? Why not stick to the honest answer of "I don't know" as opposed to making an assertion that evokes something unproven?

Evolutionists appear to be in a fixed state.
When you use the term "evolutionist", are you referring specifically to scientists and other individuals that promote and definitively assert that the TOE is absolute fact or anyone who denies the religionist's assertion that their god is the culprit?

If they are seeking God, then you can share, otherwise, you are wasting your time.
I'd adjust the statement to read, "If they are seeking TRUTH". That eliminates the bias of any presupposition and allows for the person to be swayed by facts and evidence as opposed to desire and other factors that can interfere with the discovery of actuality.
 

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So because the answer to the questions you proposed is "I don't know," that means a deity, specifically one you believe in is responsible? Why not stick to the honest answer of "I don't know" as opposed to making an assertion that evokes something unproven?
When you use the term "evolutionist", are you referring specifically to scientists and other individuals that promote and definitively assert that the TOE is absolute fact or anyone who denies the religionist's assertion that their god is the culprit?
I'd adjust the statement to read, "If they are seeking TRUTH". That eliminates the bias of any presupposition and allows for the person to be swayed by facts and evidence as opposed to desire and other factors that can interfere with the discovery of actuality.

Jesus is the TRUTH, the WAY,and the LIFE. And itbis apparent you have a different concept of what truth is, so I'm sorry, I have no time for you since your door is shut.
But you can at any time feel free to open the door and have a chat with Him ... sometime before the end. The only problem is, death comes unannounced sometimes. Salvation is offered today, tomorrow is not certain.
 
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Hey all,

Um I have about eight atheists in my twitter thread, was just looking for some back up if anyone is interested.

Discussions are about presupposition and evidential.
Thanks

Dan.
https://twitter.com/king_danyul/status/1470384746999865346?t=V_ekzuKg2yfnOwlTig3abA&s=19


Drew Berry: Animations of unseeable biology | TED Talk

Ask them how you get from molten rock to cell dividing DNA... Just explain not a single cell can divide without this process... Not to say, where did this DNA come from in the first place!

Paul
 
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This is an old request but thought I would make a comment. I read through some of those evolutionists responses on your twitter. I am not a member of twitter. They seem no different than evolutionists on Christian Forums. The ones with science backgrounds are worse.
Apologetics is effective only if someone has their door open. If they are seeking God, then you can share, otherwise, you are wasting your time. I have resigned from years of attempts that go round and round with these folks. I wrote a 30-page Thesis on refuting Evolution. I got into the mechanics and theory inside and out and still, to this day, I only know two people out of hundreds that were swayed by my apologetics - only because their lives were coming to a end and they had no where else to go.
Faith comes by the Word. Jesus knocks on their doors, if they open it, He will come in and sup; if they do not, if is difficult to make any progress. It is a spiritual defect that prevents them and so God needs to be doing a work in them. Prayer is needed. Even if nothing works at the time, hopefully you planted some seeds to grow at a later time. Evolutionists appear to be in a fixed state. It is an act of rebelling against God and so they latch onto any mindset/theory that disproves God. They don't even have to get into it deeply, they just accept it. And since Darwin, the schools have adopted this teaching and so people absorb it and accept it. Most don't bother challenging it - don't have the time, they just latch on to it. Arguments have been developed for them to use and so they feel more emboldened to challenge the Christian. If they actually looked into the TOE, they would see all the flaws, the guessing, the junk science that is missing the initial conditions. They fill them in and present you with their garbage based on as you said, nothing. It's a house of cards.

Anyways, the last argument I developed against them to stump them had nothing to do with evolution at all. It has to do with the fetus development in the womb. I ask questions of how this process is ordered? I go into the complexity of cells, having thousands of factories producing proteins, amino acids, in a precision way. Actually the process inside the cell is more advanced than anything inside the Shuttle or anything else man has ever created. Does all this happen and get accomplished by blind natural selection or chance? Chance is nothing, it has no power, no will or mind. I ask them, "Do these cells have little brains able to communicate with other cells? Do they instruct the cells to create other cells, fibers, muscles, organs, systems within systems all simultaneously in accordance with the genetic code? Do they actually possess any intelligence or knowledge to be able to decipher these codes and create this incredibly complex fetus?" No! Something must guide this process, it is not some power generated by a willful sperm cell that finesses his way into an egg and has this genius idea to create a human and proceeds to get trillions of cells on board with the plan. No! Cells are guided by the power of God who designed them. Simply put, He knits them together in the womb. The mother does not have a clue about what is going on inside her. Even the most brilliant doctors are baffled by this miracle of life. God combines the genetic material from both parents and makes a unique offspring, yet still different then they are. God orchestrates the whole process inside the womb. After your presentation, let them offer their explanation. They can not.
Dead on.

There are SO many factors just within the tiniest dynamics of life that are light years outside all scientific/mathematical possibility of sheer chance. It truly becomes more of a chore to NOT believe in God. Interestingly, that's exactly how the Bible puts it as well.

All men know that God exists. It is through brute refusal that they deny Him. They desire their ways, period. Not His. Romans 1:19

They love their sins. Plain and simple. John 3:19
 
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So because the answer to the questions you proposed is "I don't know," that means a deity, specifically one you believe in is responsible? Why not stick to the honest answer of "I don't know" as opposed to making an assertion that evokes something unproven?
It is only unproven to those who refuse to see the evidence which is absolutely everywhere.

A great many aspects of the Bible have been proven over and over throughout history. It is a great threat to those who wish to live their own way. Thus, it is a Fairy Tale to them. Because if it were true, they would have to regret the way they live and change everything about their lives.

Profound denial is easier for some.
 

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It is only unproven to those who refuse to see the evidence which is absolutely everywhere.

A great many aspects of the Bible have been proven over and over throughout history. It is a great threat to those who wish to live their own way. Thus, it is a Fairy Tale to them. Because if it were true, they would have to regret the way they live and change everything about their lives.

Profound denial is easier for some.

It makes me reflect on the time when I was an unbeliever. In college I even studied evolution - I was curious. Although I didn't believe in God at the time, I sensed there had to be something more to life than the physical realm and then something after.
The thing I remember most about the class was that the teacher was the sadest teacher I ever had. He did not smile once.
I can't speak for him; but it seems that through the whole gammut of life's experiences within the paths we follow to the end of the line, a life without God and promise of life beyond death is life riddled with futility.
"It is chasing after the wind!" ... "Vanity of vanities." King Solomon "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury - signifying nothing." SHAKESPEARE
It's a big loss if life just ends and there is nothing afterwards. We go through all these experiences, growing , maturing, accumulating knowledge, get married, have kids and watch them grow, then grandkids, only to lose it all. What is the point? To just pass it on? That's lots of time and effort and sort of an investment, it's valuable. We are valuable, yet to think we aren't moving towards something better renders it meaningless and without purpose. Passing what we have onto to our kids and the next generation is noble and honorable but they die too and sometimes at a young age.
That's when it hits these atheists - when a loved one dies. They are devastated, thinking they will never see them again.
So I think this sad Professor of Evolution was fully aware of this meaningless aspect of life without hope of anything to look forward too. His state was as good as it gets and just downhill from there. How can you be happy about that? Where is the joy? When you are young you get your kicks but as life passes you by and you get closer to your time, you become bitter or depressed, with a life that is a half empty glass. That emptiness gnaws at you. You must sense that something is missing ... there must be more ... and try to fill that void. But with each attempt, the result is likened to showing up at a party that is already over.

God can only fill that void and give a person hope, faith, purpose, and something to look forward too.
I have and see the joy of the Lord in many.
 

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Jesus is the TRUTH, the WAY,and the LIFE.
You are well within your rights to believe this, but believing it doesn't make it true. Assertions like this need to be verified with evidence to be proven as facts.
And itbis apparent you have a different concept of what truth is
Truth is simply that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality. Just because I want or believe something to be true does not make it so.
 

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I sensed there had to be something more to life than the physical realm and then something after.
Not to be dismissive, but what does you feeling or sensing something prove?
a life without God and promise of life beyond death is life riddled with futility.
Why do you feel this way? Futility indicates pointlessness or uselessness and I don't find my life or the lives of those I know and love to be either of those things.
That's lots of time and effort and sort of an investment, it's valuable. We are valuable,
I couldn't agree more. You are valuable to yourself and probably many others as am I in my circles.
yet to think we aren't moving towards something better renders it meaningless and without purpose.
Again, why? The idea that something has to be everlasting to be meaningful is nonsensical to me. When my wife accepted my proposal it meant the world to me. When I held my kids for the 1st time, it meant everything. When I got to hold my mother's hand as she passed from this life, that meant something as well. Life, like any situation we encounter and find ourselves in is what we make of it! We have the responsibility of giving purpose to our own existence.
How can you be happy about that? Where is the joy? When you are young you get your kicks but as life passes you by and you get closer to your time, you become bitter or depressed, with a life that is a half empty glass. That emptiness gnaws at you. You must sense that something is missing ... there must be more ... and try to fill that void. But with each attempt, the result is likened to showing up at a party that is already over.
Wow! What a sad way to look at life and existence. For me, life is so full of moments that bring me a whole gauntlet of emotions including joy. As I have gotten older, the reality of my own mortality hits me and though it is very humbling, I understand that such is life and the fact that I have gotten to live through 6 decades is a plus! Why look at life for what it's not as opposed to finding the joy in what it is?
 

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Assertions like this need to be verified with evidence to be proven as facts.
Absolutely. Evidence exists all around you. Actually the Bible says you are without excuse.
"For what can be known about God is plain to them because God has shown it to them. For the invisible attributes, namely His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly perceived ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So rhey are wothout excuse." Rom. 1:18-20
When we humbly open our hearts to God and ask Him to rwveal Himself, He will and prove Himself.
Pride keeps people away from God.
You must come to him like a child.

Truth is simply that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality. Just because I want or believe something to be true does not make it so.
That is true. Actually the word truth means reality, what is real. Jesus is truth. Christians are "in Christ". He is our reality. The real eternal reality, not something that will pass away.
 

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Again, why? The idea that something has to be everlasting to be meaningful is nonsensical to me.
I understand moments of joy but then tradigy strikes and hits you like a train. Someone close dies, maybe they made it to an old age and lived their life; but the sadness and scare comes just before death if you don't have faith in God and an afterlife. Now you are cruising, you don't feel threatened, things are good.
What happens to your joy when the doctor tells you, "I'm sorry, you have stage 4 cancer and have a few months to live." You may have just retired and had all these plans, you worked all your life, have nice nest egg and bam. You feel ripped off. The joy is gone because it is based on your very fragile and uncertain circumstances. You worked your ass off just for this? And what about someone who didn't have all those wonderful life experiences, someone young, your beloved son whom you are proud of. He's brite, straight A's, just graduated college and has a brite future ... oops, he was shot dead in a night club! What is the meaning of his life? Where js your joy then. You can't get it back for years maybe.
Well, one who has faith never dies. Our joy is based not on circumstances, when thi gs are all well, it is based on a faith in God, who grants eternal life. A faith that nothing can destroy. We can die tomorrow- no problem, we are in heaven, a better place.


When my wife accepted my proposal it meant the world to me. When I held my kids for the 1st time, it meant everything. When I got to hold my mother's hand as she passed from this life, that meant something as well. Life, like any situation we encounter and find ourselves in is what we make of it! We have the responsibility of giving purpose to our own existence.
Yeah but wouldn't want to see your Mom again? Your kids if you of they go suddenly?
It is the loss of everything in life and life itself if you do not have eternal security, salvation, in Christ.
 

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What happens to your joy when the doctor tells you, "I'm sorry, you have stage 4 cancer and have a few months to live." You may have just retired and had all these plans, you worked all your life, have nice nest egg and bam. You feel ripped off.
When you understand the reality that the human condition is a terminal situation from day one, it makes it easier to cope with the reality of our own mortalities. We see example after example of how mothing we encounter lasts forever, yet we somehow believe that a part of us will. Vanity of vanities....
Yeah but wouldn't want to see your Mom again? Your kids if you of they go suddenly?
Ultimately, what I want is inconsequential as reality doesn't often bend to my deepest desires. I know the reality is that if I live long enough, I will lose people I love and cherish. I hate that that is the case, but it is what it is.