Communist-Socialism A Western Invention

From another thread, continued here:

kaoticprofit said:

Veteran,

You have an extreme view of everything including socialism and YOU are the brianwashed one. You are a totally biased, over the edge right wing victim of brainwashing. You have no middle of the road.

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I have a very BIBLICAL view of what Communism-Socialism is. It's against the principles in God's Word. And one of the FIRST tactics used by Communist-Socialists is attempts to attack one's credibility with lies. And when that fails, they usually resort to violence and war. Like Lenin said, "War is continuation of politics by other means."

Jesus did say to fish out of the RIGHT SIDE of the boat!

Problem today is, lot of Leftists aligned with Communism-Socialism claim to be right-wing conservatives when they really ain't. Middle of the road assumes compromise of God's principles, promotes a 'lukewarm' position. Time to pick a side, because there's no such thing as a middle of the road. Either one is aligned with God in His Word or they are not. And there's NO way to align Communism-Socialism with God's Word and Biblical principles. That's the particular reason why Communists and Socialists today spend so much time attacking Bible-based Christians like myself.

Point 15 of ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen's list of current Communist goals entered into the Congressional Record in 1963 (quoted from http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm )

[size="+1"]"15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.[/size]"

What you have to realize is that Capitalism has inroads all over the world in socialism and communism. You guys like to complain but it's US that's in debt to China, a Communist country. It's ludicrous for you to complain when the rich and powerful are making billions in profits with Socialist and Communist conntries and that's ok right? Capitalism has it's inroads in socialist, communist, and in all forms of government.

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You're making inaccurate historical comparisons.

The ideas of today's Socialism is from the ideas of early 'collectivism'. It involves the redistribution of wealth, violation of individual property rights from God's Word. A fitting western saying about Socialism as practiced in 1950's Communist countries like the U.S.S.R. and Red China was, "an equal amount of poverty for all." Problem with that was, the Socialist party ruling class in those Communist nations held the wealth, and enjoyed it on the sly, while the worker classes starved.


Wealthy western businessmen supported those systems, and funded the start of Communist-Socialism:

http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html


Trotsky left New York with funds to foment the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 Russia; Lenin also left Sweden with funds for the same, financial support from international financiers in the west. The advent of Communist-Socialism was funded by wealthy westerners and Fabian socialists in the west. The ultimate pointer for the financial backing for the start of Communism is to... wealthy bankers in the west, Capitalists!

And throughout the history of Communist Russia and Red China, financial support continued to them from the West. During the Vietnam war, western companies were caught sending war materials to Poland, which in turn wound up in North Vietnam to help their war machine. The American taxpayers funded the building of the war production factories of the U.S.S.R. in excuse to fight Hitler's Nationalist Socialist German war machine, which was also partially funded by wealthy western financiers (Prescott Bush even got in trouble for it).

Socialism in those countries has NEVER worked economically. They have had to rely on western financial support for their existence throughout their history. And all during that time, those Communists used that aid to continue their propaganda infiltration into the European nations, driving the labor parties there to develope Socialist principles.

In the late 1980's, the Soviet's feigned the economic failure of Communist Socialism, allowing the Berlin Wall to come down, and begged for further financial aid from the Western nations. It appears some here have short memory about that. For the first time in Communist nations like Russia, the people were given more freedoms, and the Soviets partially adopted principles of free-market Capitalism.

This was a major change from the original principles of Marxist philosophy from Karl Marx, Trostky, and Lenin. They adhered to the idea of a peasant class, an agrarian society based on the collective ideology.

Per the ex-KGB colonel Anatoliy Golitsyn who defected to the U.S. in the 1960's, he claimed the Soviets might 'allow' the Berlin Wall to come down if the third and final phase of their long-range strategy for takeover of the West was ready (per New Lies For Old written in 1984). He explained that after Stalin died, the Soviet Communists worried about the image of Communism the world had formed because of Stalin's negative policies. So in the 1950's the Communist Party developed a long-rage strategy they called the New Econcomic Policy (NEP). It presented plans for a softer form of Communism-Socialism. And it's ultimate aim was to join East and West under the principles of Socialism, and ultimately the whole world. One of the mottos they came up with was for a, "one socialist Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals" (i.e., from the Atlantic Ocean to the Ural Mountains).

Golitsyn further explained how KGB agents oversaw the new plan called "democratization" in Communist satellite countries like Poland, etc., with giving more freedoms to industry, labor and religion, the initial stage that led up to the Berlin Wall coming down later. He explained the Communist plan was to unite the principle of Capitalism and Socialism together in joining East and West under a newer form of Communist-Socialism (exactly where we are today).

By Kaoticprofit:

Socialism would be a blessing to America. It's uncontrolled Capitalism that has caused the financial crisis the world is in today and it has created a host of war profiteers.

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The same western financial elite families that supported the 1917 Russian revolution that murdered Czar Nicolas II and his wife Alexandria, both descendents of Queen Victoria of Britain, are the same financial elites today that caused the most recent financial crisis. The 'money trail' never lies.

When Apostle Paul said the 'love of money' is the root of all evil, following that money trail will not lie, but will always... point to the source of the world's corruptions.

This is why the Federal Reserve system in the U.S. is a 'private' institution, and has NO overseeing control by any U.S. government agency. Its structure was formed by the banking elites in secret at the Jekyll Island, Ga. resort. And it was done under a U.S. President in 1913 much like the one in office today.

Whoever controls the money, controls everything else.

And historically in the U.S. and Europe, that has pointed to those like the Rothschilds, the Morgans, the Schiffs, the Rockefellers, Warburgs, Aschbergs, Jovotskys, Nobels, Milner and British Fabian Socialists.


WHY DO SO MANY WEALTHY HISTORICAL CAPITALISTS LIKE COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM?

A common sense answer to that might be, if you don't need money, and have reached the point you have to deal with other rich families to make more, then it becomes more about 'power' and 'control' than just money.

If you're born wealthy, but not into the royal families to become a king, you might seek to be one anyway by controlling a king through money.

If you've got all the money you could ever spend, then you might enjoy adopting some of the ideology of Socialism or Communism just for fun, as long as you didn't cause the total dump of Capitalism and lose your wealth.

One thing is for sure, the wealthy financial elite bankers that are actually the main ones in control of the world and its economies, are not going to dump the principle of Capitalism, which is the system they used to create their wealth.

Communism-Socialism is a very befitting proposal upon the peoples by those wealthy international financial elite bankers, because it serves as a way to STEAL the wealth of the peoples, and make sure the majority of it winds up in 'their' hands. And they create wars by funding both sides to make sure that happens, and keeps happening.

These people don't really have a 'country'. Money is their main country and their religion (except for a few of them that have their own fraternal orders involving the occult).

Why have the nation's economies been removed from gold standards backing their economies? Better yet, where is all the gold today? In who's hands is most of it today?

All their working is for the ultimate false one coming which they intend to place in power as God. It points to who it is that actually gave them the power of great wealth over the nations, and his name is not our Heavenly Father.

So the principles of Capitalism works, but the problem is that people on our level today are being held down by their principles of Socialism and Communism, so that we can't ever become wealthy like them. They marry into each other's wealthy families to insure their wealth stays in their hands, sit on each other's corporation boards, influence the laws of the land against us, create more taxation upon us, and even bring wars if they start losing political control over us. I'm not talking about the upper class of wealthy in America. I'm talking the upper class wealthy over all nations which is a very small minority, probably less that 1 % of the world's wealthy.

So I am for... Capitalism, but not for THEM like how they've got it setup in their control, but Capitalism for ALL OF US, the way it's supposed to be, as our God-given right.

Imagine, a U.S. $20 gold Double Eagle coin used to be worth just $20 U.S. Now it cost around $1,700 dollars U.S. in paper Fiat money. The U.S. gold Double Eagle was worth $20 in 1849 when it was first minted. That means our U.S. fiat paper dollar's value has been inflated something like 85 times the value of that $20 gold piece since 1849.

Prentis said:

Communism, democracy, capitalism, all these are mens ways, just rearranged one way or another. All go against the way of the kingdom of God and are incompatible with it because they work by carnal means.

To choose one over the other is to make oneself judge of what is good and what is evil, rather than choosing the kingdom of God, which is life.

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God says differently than you do:

Isa 65:21-23
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of My people, and Mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
(KJV)

But Socialism is the opposite idea of that, like they shall build, and others will inhabit; they shall plant and another shall eat.

Prentis said:

So capitalism follows one principle, and that makes it Christian? Capitalism doesn't follow if your brother need a cloak, and you have two, GIVE him one.

All of man's systems fail. To have something true does not mean you have the truth. And so the fact one system does ONE thing fairly, in no way makes it fair, just, or righteous.

Man's ways all lead to death.

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Capitalism is a free market based system, at least that's what true capitalism is, which western nations are no longer following.

The reason why it is a principle from God is because of property rights.

major things you no doubt are ignorant of about a free-market system:

1. If the people are not 'free' to keep the fruits of their labor, then there is LESS incentive for production.

That has exactly been the problem under Socialist-Communist systems. Under Communism on collective farms, five people would stand around watching one change a wheel on a tractor.

This very thing happens in the West today in many trade unions also, which trade unions are based on the collective system like Socialism. There are strict jurisdictions between skills that involve simple things like throwing a switch. Unless the laborer is of that skill jurisdiction, they have to wait until one shows up to throw that simple switch and get production moving again. In some situations where a certain skill worker was not available for the day, the whole job has to put off until another day. Under trade unions, workers are laid off according to seniority, and not by their performance. It creates a situation where some try to beat the system by appearing to work, while letting their other co-workers do most of the work. I've worked in that kind of environment for many years, so I know how it goes, and all the tricks. And the worst thing, is in a closed shop union situation, everyone must join the union, and no matter if you work harder, you all get the same pay rate, no bonuses.

If that situation in many, but not all unions, is like that, then imagine what's going on with the welfare programs. And I very much am for taking care of the needy and poor who cannot do for themselves.


2. If there is Less production, there is LESS PRODUCT.

What do you think that means for the giver who shares with the needy? It means they don't have as much to give! And it means eventual economic failure with loss of jobs, because of there being less profits to keep the business going.


3. Under Socialism, more of the people's earnings are taken from them without their choice to who it goes to, and what it's used for.

This is exactly how government and politicians keep unproductive programs and companies afloat, through government subsidies, when they should be allowed to go out of business if they're not producing. Tax exempt foundations have been caught proping up anti-American enterprises while those who founded them have corporations that pay few taxes through loop holes. The majority of the tax burden then falls upon the middle classes.


4. Added taxation under Socialism upon companies means they have to raise prices of their goods.

Private companies provide the majority of jobs, not the government. Under Socialism, high taxation has been the historical pattern. The companies are forced to raise the price of their goods YOU must buy. It means tax raises are passed on to YOU. It also cuts profits if the company can't raise the price enough to compete. In that case, it cuts the number of available jobs, starts creating layoffs. More people have to go on welfare and unemployment from the government; the government is forced to raise more taxes to pay that. It's a perfectly designed system of economic failure.


5. Socialism at its primitive level has already been documented in failure.

With the first settlers at Jamestown, the first year it was agreed everything would be held in common. No matter how much you produced through work, everyone... received the same, even those who refused to work. Many starved that first year.

The next year, the economic standard changed, aligning with God's principles of property rights (free market system). If you didn't work you didn't eat. Those who worked hard and allowed to keep what they produced were free to sell the extra, trade, or give it away. That next year, there was an abundance, and no one starved.

Prentis said:

One word: Jubilee!

God has his own way, and he is not into man's thinking. To think men have carnally arrived at the understanding of God's ways only reveals our own lack of spiritual understanding.

God bless you!

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People being able to work and enjoy the fruits of their labors IS a Biblical principle from God, as I have already shown. And that's how it is going to be in Christ's future Kingdom upon this earth too, as written there in Isaiah 65.

God created this earth to be inhabited per Isaiah 45:18, and that's how it's going to be in His coming Kingdom also. The meek shall inherit it, but not the wicked who steal the people's wealth through Communism-Socialism.

So one would be naive to think these kind of matters have no place in God's future Kingdom on this earth, and for today. One of the matters in the Book of Joel is specifically about the locusts stealing the wealth of God's people for the end of days.

kaoticprofit said:

I can't believe some of the diluted and twisted misconceptions of a true misled capitalist like Veteran. It's really a joke listening to his rhetoric.
　


It's actually a republican strategy to attack one's credibility with lies! That's the one thing they are masters at!

Maybe Veteran forgot about "eminent domain." I knew an old timer in Vermont who shot himself over that.

Trade unions would have never been necessary had it not been for the corrupt and inconsiderate buisness practices of the Capitalist!

The corporations today are doing just fine. They have a surplus of money on the books but just don't want to hire or spend it. They're the ones getting all the corporate welfare today in the form of subsidies and tax breaks. But Veteran can't see that as his capitaistic perspective is all that he sees! He has no middle ground. He's about as deceived as Capitalist get!
Neither does he see how the Capitalist take advantage of socialism. All the Capitalist are waiting for a government handout. They are all hypocrites who just don't like to appear like hypocrites.
One example is pharmaceuticals. They all complain about medicare/medicaid or a government run health care but they have their hands deep into it and sure like to take advantage of it!

I've had several arguments about health care with republicans. They seem to think we have the best health care in the world. We don't and I blame it all on Capitalism! We are the 26th best in the world when it comes to health care and the 2nd most expensive! Capitalism has financially destroyed the lives of many Americans, has made the corporations and phamaceutical companies very rich, and destroyed the lives of many through over prescribing. Like the girl from Concord NH who is bi-polar and on medicaid. She was on 26 different medications going up a divided highway in the wrong direction! I don't blame this on a social medical program. I blame it on the evil Capitalist who take advantage of it! More people die today of drug overdoses in the U.S. than by car accidents! And most of those deaths are caused by prescription drugs!
I blame to bulk of the worlds financial crisis on Capitalism and the Republicans.
People like Veteran who fall for the lies of both are quite deceived.

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If Socialism could fix the health-care industry problems, that would have to mean more government controls, higher taxes, which is the taking away of even more of the fruits of people's labor. I think some more regulation is needed, but not to the point where government takes control over the health-care industry. Because socialist countries in Europe have completely taken over health-care, the people might enjoy free health-care, but they're still paying for it in the long run. And when an economic slump happens the people's pockets are left empty, which has already fueled riots in Britain recently. Nothing truly is free, in this world.

Greece's recent bankruptcy is a prime example of how Socialism fails. The government was handing out so many free checks without enough people actually working to pay for it, the only result was that it went broke.

I did a research paper on unions in college years ago, Samuel Gompers, etc. Unions were necessary then, as the wealthy truly were taking advantage after the Industrial Revolution started. Children were working at factories, there was little work safety, and companies built company stores and housing and paid the factory workers in script that could only be used at the company store. But we've long since been away from those times (except for some software companies in North Carolina I've read about. They offer all kinds of services for their employees as part of the job).

Eminent Domain is actually a Communist-Socialist principle if used as a violation of personal property rights. A municipal that needs to build for the benefit of the people's needs has always been part of ruling governments in all nations. But specifically under Communism-Socialism, the principle is that everything belongs to the government anyway, including people's personal property, and even the people themselves. In Communist Russia under Stalin, people's farms were literally taken from them, and they were forced to moved to cities where factory production existed. Then farming collectives were formed to work those farms, which didn't produce as much. Socialists like Kaoticprofit fail to show that difference, don't they?

Many companies today ARE NOT doing well today. Production has decreased because of the financial crisis the BANKING ELITES have created. And companies well know that so-called 'stimulus' packages have to be paid for with either raising taxes, or printing more inflated paper dollars that increase the national debt with adding more DEBT. So those companies are doing the same thing most Americans are doing, cutting their spending and instead saving. That's why the lower job market exists today. And it's all because of the volatile financial situation that Socialist policies and Socialist banking elites have caused that control the economy.

It's simple economics 101. If prices increase and you're not making any more income to pay for it, then your income has gone down. I'm surprised at some here that would try to hide that simple fact. It applies to companies too. Because of the financial crisis Socialist policies have created with Fiat paper money and the national debt, the whole economy is going downward. It's raising prices, meaning both the people and companies have less to spend. Companies are not spending, their cutting their spending, and have to. The people are doing the same thing, making fewer trips, staying home more, buying less, because they're have to save what they do have to pay higher cost of their bills, like electricity utilities which Obama's Socialism has raised in many areas of the nation through manipulation of the industry, even with his saying he was going to do it.


Obama said in 2008:

"You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.
They — you — you can already see what the arguments will be during the general election. People will say, “Ah, Obama and Al Gore, these folks, they’re going to destroy the economy, this is going to cost us eight trillion dollars,” or whatever their number is. Um, if you can’t persuade the American people that yes, there is going to be some increase in electricity rates on the front end, but that over the long term, because of combinations of more efficient energy usage, changing lightbulbs and more efficient appliance, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy, the economy would benefit."
(January 2008 Interview with San Francisco Chronicle).


He must think we already have technology like the Jetsons cartoon or something. That's Socialism at work. Gonna' raise the cost of electricity on purpose, making the people pay the cost out of their own pockets, when no viable alternative solution to cheaper energy yet exists. Even the company he supported with around $528 million U.S. dollars for developing solar panels went out of business ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/solarpower/8766476/Collapse-of-solar-power-giant-an-embarrassment-for-Obama-administration.html )

Coal is still... going to be needed, because coal is used to produce steel. If we don't produce these things in our own country, and we have the resources to do so, then we will be subject to buying it from other countries that do produce it, and under less environmental friendly conditions than we already have. It's that simple. You know what that does for increasing American jobs too, right? Nothing, instead, it REMOVES jobs away from American soil.

God foretold of this kind of thing that would come upon His people in the end of days with the four stage locust working in the Book of Joel...

Joel 1:1-2:13
1 The word of the LORD that came to Joel the son of Pethuel.
2 Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers?
3 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.
4 That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.
5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
6 For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.
7 He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches thereof are made white.

Joel 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.
16 Is not the meat cut off before our eyes, yea, joy and gladness from the house of our God?
17 The seed is rotten under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down; for the corn is withered.
18 How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolate.
19 O LORD, to Thee will I cry: for the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness, and the flame hath burned all the trees of the field.
20 The beasts of the field cry also unto Thee: for the rivers of waters are dried up, and the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness.

CHAPTER 2

1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11 And the LORD shall utter His voice before His army: for His camp is very great: for He is strong that executeth His word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to Me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for He is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth Him of the evil.
(KJV)

When Christ Jesus does return, all that locust working of today by Communism is going to be reversed...

Joel 2:18-27
18 Then will the LORD be jealous for His land, and pity His people.
19 Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto His people, "Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.
21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.
22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.
23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for He hath given you the former rain moderately, and He will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, My great army which I sent among you.
26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, That hath dealt wondrously with you: and My people shall never be ashamed.
27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and My people shall never be ashamed.
(KJV)

Prentis said:

So I agree with one thing the bible says and that makes me Christian, veteran?

Well then even the devil must be Christian!

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You're not using proper deductive reasoning, if that's what you were trying to do.

False deductive reasoning is like, 'a cat has a tail', 'a dog has a tail', 'so all dogs must be cats, and all cats must be dogs'.

Buzzfruit said:

Correct. God's government is not communism or any other government in our modern-day society, especially democracy. And the man-made government that came the closest to God's government was the Roman government. The Roman government did not just have one king(Governor) but several that ruled in his own state over each Nation that it conquered. Each Governor had complete control over his territory and ruled as he wished. And the best man-made government was the Babylonian.

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But truly, the most perfect type of government that has existed in this world was that involving the kingdom of Israel, especially when God was still their only KING.

That's what we are going to return to eventually also on this earth when Christ returns.

The capitalistic system is a system that does not have the poor and the less fortunate in mind......if you are too poor to buy it and you need it that's just too bad for you. It makes merchandize of pretty much everything and turn everyone into only consumers of goods and users of services. In that kind of system the rich buys up and owns most if not everything while the poor are left with little to nothing......if you can't afford it you have no right to have it.

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That's simply not true. It's men's 'greed' and love of wealth that has caused the problem, not the idea of property ownership, which is what the original meaning of capitalism is about.

The origin of the word 'capital' is from Latin, and goes back to the idea of mere ownership of property. It later became used to refer also to property as assets or funds. The original idea is about the mere idea of ownership, or even stewardship.

So literally, IF YOU CLAIM ANYTHING AS PERSONAL PROPERTY, even a wallet, keychain, ring, shovel, socks and shoes, then you are a capitalist by the original meaning of the word.

Under God's laws per the Old Covenant, we can easily see... that God gave Israelites, and strangers who dwelt among them, the right to own personal property. God owns all things, and He gave to His chosen people, even allotted the land according to each specific tribe of Israel. And even the Levite priests who were not allotted a specific section of land were still given places to live, and tithes of the people for payment in their service.

Under God's laws, the tithes of the people helped pay for the poor and needy. That's what our U.S. tax system is supposed to do also, and it is, which is what the welfare and social security system is setup for. It has even gone so far today that the system is being abused by some.

In Scripture like Isaiah 65, which is about God's new heavens and a new earth time, He said we will build houses and live in them, and plant vineyards and eat the fruit of them. He said we will not build and another inhabit, nor plant and another eat it. That reveals the idea of personal property rights from God.

Does that mean it will be like today, with some extremely wealthy while others are not? I don't think so. But it will still involve God's spiritual gifts to us, for as written in Rev.14, our 'works' in Christ Jesus do follow us to Heaven, and our Lord Jesus did refer to those who had forsaken houses and family for His sake will receive a hundredfold in His Kingdom (Matt.5:19; Matt.19:29).

But Socialism says everything is owned by the State, even the people treated as property for the State to do as it wishes with them. Who is that a vain attempt to try and replace? Our Heavenly Father Himself. That's why Communism-Socialism is a system promoted by false gods, Satan himself being the head.