UN - First Hearing For Jews Forced From Arab Lands

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The UN has two organizations dealing with Refugess.
One for the Palestinian refugees and one for all other refugess throughout the world.

It is nice to see this is finally going to get some attention, even if it is likely that nothing comes of it.



http://www.wnd.com/2...ws-get-hearing/


[font=Times']UNITED NATIONS – For the first time since the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, a symposium at the United Nations has focused on the plight of Arab Jews forcibly expelled from their native lands.[/font]
[font=Times']The gathering drew hundreds, but few diplomats, especially from Arab nations.[/font]


[font=Times']Those who did come to the event, held by Israel’s U.N. mission, mostly were from the American Jewish community.[/font]

[font=Times']The speakers included Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel, Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz and Israeli ambassador Ron Prosor.[/font]

[font=Times']Called “Justice For Jewish Refugees From Arab Countries,” the event lasted several hours and was received by a largely attentive and quiet audience.[/font]

[font=Times']Dershowitz complained about a legal “double standard” between Jewish Arab refugees and the well-publicized plight of the Palestinians.[/font]

[font=Times']“Why have you not heard more about the plight of Jewish refugees? Because they had a homeland that would accept them, Israel.[/font]

[font=Times']“Never again would we allow a Jew to wander after World War II. We Jews remember,” Dershowitz said.[/font]
[font=Times']Those sentiments were echoed by Prosor, the Israeli ambassador.[/font]


[font=Times']“Today we break 64 years of silence. … Arab countries have never been held responsible for their actions,” he said.[/font]

[font=Times']According to Israel’s U.N. mission, more than 850,000 men, women and children were forcibly expelled from more than a dozen Arab nations between 1947 and 1972.[/font]
[font=Times']None has ever received compensation or relief from any international agencies, say the Israelis.[/font]



[font=Times']It all stems, they say, from Arab League legislation drafted just prior to Israel’s birth in 1948 which labeled Jews as “enemies of the state.”[/font]

[font=Times']In more than 1,000 U.N. resolutions on the Middle East, not one has been on the issue of Jewish refugees, claimed Dershowitz. [/font][font=Times']“Never again,” he insisted.[/font]

[font=Times']“The U.N. has a clear duty to take responsibility for this,” added Prosor, the ambassador.[/font]
[font=Times']U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, whose office was nearby, passed on attending the event, but he did find enough time to personally greet Burmese human rights activist Aung San Suu Kyi.[/font]


[font=Times']Afterwards, the Israeli deputy foreign minister Ayalon told WND that he was pleased with the symposium.[/font]
[font=Times']“Unfortunately, this issue was not picked up in earlier years because there was no leadership until now,” he said. “When I heard the stories first hand of the Jewish refugees, I decided almost 2 1/2 years ago that we could no longer remain silent. And that is why we are doing this today. It should have been done 65 years ago. But, it is never too late to bring about justice.”[/font]

[font=Times']Ayalon added: “The symposium here today presents a great opportunity to not just correct a wrong, but to also be forward looking. If Arab leaders, Palestinian leaders will depart from the path of denials, of lies, of incrimination, of discrimination and would look at the truth and be honest with their own people then I believe we will achieve something.”[/font]

[font=Times']Both Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will travel to New York City to address the United Nations next week.[/font]

[font=Times']According to the Jewish Virtual Library, there were some 870,000 Jews in various Arab states in 1945, but persecution arose during 1947 and 1948 and their property and belongings were confiscated.[/font]

[font=Times']Riots erupted against Jews in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt and Iraq made Zionism a capital crime.[/font][font=Times'] [/font]
[font=Times']Almost 600,000 of these Jews resetlled in Israel without any compensation from the Arab governments that took their property.[/font]

[font=Times']“The mass displacement of the Jews from Arab countires [was] a breach of international law,” the site reports. “The 1945 Nuremberg Charter made wartime mass deportation a crime against humanity, and the 1949 Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Civilians in Time of War also prohibits deportations and forcible transfers, whether mass or individual.”[/font]

[font=Times']The site reports that the Jewish population from 1948 to 2004 dropped from 8,000 to zero in Aden, from 140,000 to fewer than 100 in Algeria, from 75,000 to fewer than 100 in Egypt, from 135,000 to about 35 in Iraq, from 5,000 to fewer than 100 in Lebanon, From 38,000 to zero in Libya, from 265,000 to 5,500 in Morocco, from 30,000 to fewer than 100 in Syria, from 105,000 to 1,500 in Tunisia and from 55,000 to 200 in Yemen.[/font][font=Times'] [/font]





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Can't governments expel anyone they want to expel?
 

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And confiscate their homes, personal possessions and bank accounts?

Not according to the United Nations.

In many cases these Jews were actual citizens of those countries.

The only 'gray area' - according to the United Nations - is during time of war.

Israel never went to war with Aden, Algeria, Iraq, Libya, Morocco, Tunisia, etc.

Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt did participate in an unprovoked attack on Israel with the declared goal of "wiping Israel from the face of the earth."

Guess that would fall into that "gray area," huh?




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And confiscate their homes, personal possessions and bank accounts?

Not according to the United Nations.

In many cases these Jews were actual citizens of those countries.

The only 'gray area' - according to the United Nations - is during time of war.

Israel never went to war with Aden, Algeria, Iraq, Libya, Morocco, Tunisia, etc.

Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt did participate in an unprovoked attack on Israel with the declared goal of "wiping Israel from the face of the earth."

Guess that would fall into that "gray area," huh?




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I know nothing about this issue - it is interesting and troubling.
 

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What about all the Jews that had citizenship in Poland and were denied back in before WW2.

And what about the poor Arabs mistreated and kicked off their land that has been happening now. as they have been their for two thousand years or so.

Hitler wanted the Jews to have a homeland and asked for money to do so as for it to all to come about, but the pommy's opposed it.

The Jews kicked out from Russia were a big problem for all Europe back then. and Germany had the most Jew immigrants and the poms the least, plus certain wealthy pommy's had a invested interest in causing troubles with in Germany and could not give a damn about people at all.
 

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And what about the poor Arabs mistreated and kicked off their land that has been happening now. as they have been their for two thousand years or so.

When Zionism began in the 19th century, Jews moved to Palestine and purchased land. The Arabs who lived there were happy to accept their money and sell them land. Mind you, there were already some Jews there. There has never been a time in the history of the Jews when there were no Jews living in the land. However, most were removed and were living in Europe and North America.

What land has Israel kicked people off of? I would agree that there has been poor treatment of the people in predominantly Arab parts of Israel. I have no idea where the two thousand year thing came from. Jews were dispersed from Israel starting with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. 1/3 of them were killed between 1939 and 1945. It helps understanding to read a bit of history.
 
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When Zionism began in the 19th century, Jews moved to Palestine and purchased land. The Arabs who lived there were happy to accept their money and sell them land. Mind you, there were already some Jews there. There has never been a time in the history of the Jews when there were no Jews living in the land. However, most were removed and were living in Europe and North America.

What land has Israel kicked people off of? I would agree that there has been poor treatment of the people in predominantly Arab parts of Israel. I have no idea where the two thousand year thing came from. Jews were dispersed from Israel starting with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. 1/3 of them were killed between 1939 and 1945. It helps understanding to read a bit of history.

-- Very good post, James.
Jews have been living in that region non-stop for thousands of years. Even after the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 A.D. Jews remained in Jerusalem and in enclaves throughout what today is called "Palestine."

Until the British partitions of the area, the area of Palestine was much bigger, encompassing even what is today the country of Jordan.
That means that the Jordanian citizens and the Palestinians that they are keeping in the refugee camps within their borders are the same people.
Jewish migration to the region began to increase from a trickle in the late 1800s.

HOW the 'new Jews' obtained the land is no big mystery.
Absentee landowners in Turkey, Syria, and even Saudi Arabia owned vast tracks of land in what is today modern Israel.
They collected rent and other compensation from the Arabs living there for generations and generations. But when Jewish organizations began offering them what they considered "exorbitant" amounts of money for what they thought was "worthless barren desert" they sold the Jews the land and let the Arabs living on their land that they had to leave. Unpleasant, but legal.

When the UN partitioned the land (Jerusalem well inside Palestinian control and declared an 'open city') the Jews were fine with that. They declared statehood, promising to live in peace with their neighbors.

Unfortunately Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt and the Palestinians wanted nothing of it and - instead of taking their concerns to the UN - attacked Israel with the stated purpose of "wiping Israel off the face of the earth."
The attacks failed. Miserably. Miraculously.

But Jordan did manage to gain a good chunk of what had had been Palestinian designated land and Eastern Jerusalem.
Instead of ensuring that land remained in Palestinian hands, Jordan ANNEXED the land for themselves. Talk about Arab brotherhood.
The Arabs launched attacks on Israel twice more in the hopes of destroying them and taking their land - in 1967 and 1973.

The Ironic part is if they had succeeded, they would have kept every inch of Israeli soil and never would have given it back.
But in the course of losing the wars, they lost territory, as well. THAT they are trying to claim back.
And even more Ironically, they continue to demand help from the UN, the very organization they ignored and disobeyed.

But history shows that aggressors often lose land and lose it PERMANENTLY.
Take Germany for example.
- Compare a map of Germany just before WWI to a map of Germany afterwards.
- Then compare a map of Germany just before WWII to a map of Germany today.



Germany lost land after both wars. A total of roughly one-quarter of their pre-WWI land mass.
Land that is no longer Germany's and never will be again.

Palestinians claim historic right to all of what is Palestine and demand the return of that land.
To that I would ask, "just how long does it take before that 'historic right' is no longer valid?"
Because if you look back into Jewish history, you can see two sovereign nations of Israel with Jerusalem as their capital that they did not give up voluntarily.

And before anyone starts in, yes nations like the US have been aggressors. There is no other way to describe how they took land (except for the Louisiana, Alaskan, and Gadsden purchases).
 

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-- Very good post, James.
Jews have been living in that region non-stop for thousands of years. Even after the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 A.D. Jews remained in Jerusalem and in enclaves throughout what today is called "Palestine."

Until the British partitions of the area, the area of Palestine was much bigger, encompassing even what is today the country of Jordan.
That means that the Jordanian citizens and the Palestinians that they are keeping in the refugee camps within their borders are the same people.
Jewish migration to the region began to increase from a trickle in the late 1800s.

HOW the 'new Jews' obtained the land is no big mystery.
Absentee landowners in Turkey, Syria, and even Saudi Arabia owned vast tracks of land in what is today modern Israel.
They collected rent and other compensation from the Arabs living there for generations and generations. But when Jewish organizations began offering them what they considered "exorbitant" amounts of money for what they thought was "worthless barren desert" they sold the Jews the land and let the Arabs living on their land that they had to leave. Unpleasant, but legal.

When the UN partitioned the land (Jerusalem well inside Palestinian control and declared an 'open city') the Jews were fine with that. They declared statehood, promising to live in peace with their neighbors.

Unfortunately Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt and the Palestinians wanted nothing of it and - instead of taking their concerns to the UN - attacked Israel with the stated purpose of "wiping Israel off the face of the earth."
The attacks failed. Miserably. Miraculously.

But Jordan did manage to gain a good chunk of what had had been Palestinian designated land and Eastern Jerusalem.
Instead of ensuring that land remained in Palestinian hands, Jordan ANNEXED the land for themselves. Talk about Arab brotherhood.
The Arabs launched attacks on Israel twice more in the hopes of destroying them and taking their land - in 1967 and 1973.

The Ironic part is if they had succeeded, they would have kept every inch of Israeli soil and never would have given it back.
But in the course of losing the wars, they lost territory, as well. THAT they are trying to claim back.
And even more Ironically, they continue to demand help from the UN, the very organization they ignored and disobeyed.

But history shows that aggressors often lose land and lose it PERMANENTLY.
Take Germany for example.
- Compare a map of Germany just before WWI to a map of Germany afterwards.
- Then compare a map of Germany just before WWII to a map of Germany today.



Germany lost land after both wars. A total of roughly one-quarter of their pre-WWI land mass.
Land that is no longer Germany's and never will be again.

Palestinians claim historic right to all of what is Palestine and demand the return of that land.
To that I would ask, "just how long does it take before that 'historic right' is no longer valid?"
Because if you look back into Jewish history, you can see two sovereign nations of Israel with Jerusalem as their capital that they did not give up voluntarily.

And before anyone starts in, yes nations like the US have been aggressors. There is no other way to describe how they took land (except for the Louisiana, Alaskan, and Gadsden purchases).
Well if we look at it that way Germany has evey right to take back what was theirs as Hitler was not wrong in stating what was theirs by race etc and if you look back at all the old maps Hitler is right and Poland has no right at all to that land. So if you look at it in that way germany in the next 2000 years may get it back. :rolleyes:
But i think all this fighting over land is just a sad lack of foundations of Christian values as sadly some people act just like apes and it's still going on because of the sinful nature of man.
God owns all the land and we are only the tenants.
 

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Mr. R has a point. Not sure why Christians place their blind allegiance in the secular government of Israel - I guess it is a result of literalism......
 

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Well if we look at it that way Germany has evey right to take back what was theirs as Hitler was not wrong in stating what was theirs by race etc and if you look back at all the old maps Hitler is right and Poland has no right at all to that land. So if you look at it in that way germany in the next 2000 years may get it back. :rolleyes:
But i think all this fighting over land is just a sad lack of foundations of Christian values as sadly some people act just like apes and it's still going on because of the sinful nature of man.
God owns all the land and we are only the tenants.

-- Poor Rosey.
Germany didn't fight WWII to take back Polish land. They fought WWII to take EVERYONE'S land. Or did you miss that part.
Perhaps you could explain to me how Morroco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Greece would be "theirs by race."

But the part you miss is that Germany lost their land because of THEIR OWN aggression.
Israel lost their land because of SOMEONE ELSE'S aggression.

And as far as "fighting over land," you miss the part that for the Arabs it wasn't just "about land" when they attacked Israel.
They also promised the slaughter of the Israeli people.

Once you wrap your head around that I'd like you to explain it to Aspen. He seems to be struggling, as well.
 

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-- Poor Rosey.
Germany didn't fight WWII to take back Polish land. They fought WWII to take EVERYONE'S land. Or did you miss that part.
Perhaps you could explain to me how Morroco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Greece would be "theirs by race."

But the part you miss is that Germany lost their land because of THEIR OWN aggression.
Israel lost their land because of SOMEONE ELSE'S aggression.

And as far as "fighting over land," you miss the part that for the Arabs it wasn't just "about land" when they attacked Israel.
They also promised the slaughter of the Israeli people.

Once you wrap your head around that I'd like you to explain it to Aspen. He seems to be struggling, as well.

Foreigner, on this issue I agree with you.Good explanation.
 

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A very good article on the subject:

When The Arab Jews Fled

Fortunée Abadie is still haunted by the day in 1947 when mobs stormed the Jewish Quarter of the ancient Syrian city of Aleppo, shortly after the United Nations vote that laid the groundwork for the creation of Israel.

Aleppo, a city where Jews and Muslims had lived together for centuries, exploded with anti-Jewish violence. Mrs. Abadie, now 88, remembers watching attackers burn prayer books, prayer shawls and other holy objects from the synagogue across the street. She heard the screams of neighbors as their homes were invaded. "We thought we were going to be killed," she says. The family fled to nearby Lebanon. Mrs. Abadie left behind all she had: clothes, furniture, photographs and even a small bottle of French perfume that she still misses, Soir de Paris—Evening in Paris.

The Abadie family's story is moving from the recesses of history to a newly prominent place in the debate over the future of the Middle East. Arab leaders have insisted for decades that Palestinian refugees who fled their homes following Israel's creation should be allowed to return to their former homes.

Now Israeli officials are turning the tables, saying the hardships faced by several hundred thousand exiled Arab Jews, many forced from their homes, deserve as much attention as the plight of displaced Palestinians. "We are 64 years late," says Danny Ayalon, Israel's deputy foreign minister. "The refugee problem does not lie only on one side." Mr. Ayalon, whose father is an Algerian Jew, led a U.N. conference last month sponsored by Israel and dubbed "Justice for Jews From Arab Countries."

Palestinians bristle at the effort to equate the displacement of Arab Jews with their own grievances. Hanan Ashrawi, a member of the Palestine Liberation Organization's Executive Committee, says Mr. Ayalon "opened up a can of worms for political purposes" with the U.N. conference. She says that Israeli officials are trying to use a "forced and false analogy…to negate or question Palestinian refugee rights." The Palestinians, she says, "have nothing to do with the plight of the Jews or other minorities who left the Arab world." Still, Dr. Ashrawi recently proposed that Arab Jews should also have a "right of return" to the countries they left.

At the U.N. conference, Mr. Ayalon called Dr. Ashrawi's suggestion to have Jews return to Arab countries "totally ridiculous." Mr. Ayalon and the Israeli government are pushing ahead with efforts to raise the profile of Arab Jews. Israel has pledged to establish a national day in honor of Arab Jews and build a museum about their lost cultures. Mr. Ayalon has decided to make the Arab-Jewish refugees part of any negotiations, which has never been the case before. Looking ahead to a settlement, he would like to see both Palestinian and Jewish refugees compensated by an international fund. Meanwhile, the Israeli ambassador to the U.N., Ron Prosor, has called on the U.N. to research the refugees' history.

Then in October 1956, Israel, France and England waged war against Egypt over the Suez Canal. Mr. Cohen's parents pulled him out of school after another Jewish boy was injured. His mother, a British citizen, was placed under house arrest. His father's business was "sequestered"—effectively taken from him—and he wasn't welcome at his own office. In May 1957, the family left on a plane bound for Europe. Mr. Cohen still remembers his father crying on the plane. "There is nothing left here," he recalls his mother saying. "It is all over."

In the late 1950s and early 1960s, Jews continued to pour out of the Muslim countries. When Desiré Sakkal and his family left Egypt as stateless refugees in 1962, he says, "there were very few Jews left." Stranded in Paris in a hotel, Mr. Sakkal's little brother was diagnosed with cancer, and he still remembers how his parents went to the hospital every day. The brother died a year later in New York, at the age of 10. Mr. Sakkal went on to found the Historical Society of Jews from Egypt, which seeks to recall the life left behind.

The Six-Day War of June 1967 brought some of the most violent anti-Jewish eruptions. As Arab countries faced defeat by Israel, they turned their rage on their own Jewish residents—what remained of them. In Egypt, Jewish men over 18 were rounded up and sent to prison. Some were kept for a few days. Others, like Philadelphia Rabbi Albert Gabbai, a Cairo native, remained imprisoned for three years. Rabbi Gabbai was only 18 when he was thrown in jail, along with three older brothers. He still remembers the cries of his fellow prisoners—Muslim Brotherhood members who were being tortured—echoing through the jail. He and his brothers feared that they were going to be killed. After three years of "despair," he says, they were driven to the airport and escorted to an Air France AF.FR -3.14%flight.


Mr. Cohen, who left Egypt in 1957,grew up to become a pioneer in European venture capital and private equity. In recent years, he has worked to develop the Palestinian private sector. He believes that the focus on Jewish-Arab refugees could spur the Arabs and Israelis toward peace. "There are refugees on both sides, so that evens the scales, and I think that it will be helpful to the process," he says. "It shows that both sides suffered the same fate."




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Foreigner, on this issue I agree with you.Good explanation.

Yes, Foreigner, thank you for bringing this up. I am actually surprised that the U.N. is acting like they will hold them responsible but am a bit suspicious After all it is the U.N. I hope this does not just turn into a pretense and show just to quiet the critics and put an end to all the agitation that the U.N. must have "endured"
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through all these many years because of shirking their responsibility.

I will remain suspicious until I see some real concrete action by the U.N. But thank you once again for bringing it up. I would not have known about this, either. And you gave a great explanation.

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