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Don't know about legos but I do know about John 1. Of particular relevance is vs 1-3, 10 & 14.
The Word is God and is with God. The world is made through Him. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us (as God's begotten Son, Jesus)

John 1:1-14

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.

John’s Witness: The True Light​

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That[b] was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The Word Becomes Flesh​

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:14
The "Word" is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God and the Word became flesh as Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus Christ was the Word in the flesh, which is shortened to the Word for ease of speaking. Scripture is also the Word in writing. Everyone agrees that the Word in writing had a beginning. So did the Word in the flesh. In fact, the Greek text of Matthew 1:18 says that very clearly: "Now the beginning of Jesus Christ was in this manner..." The modern Greek texts all read "beginning" in Matthew 1:18. Birth is considered an acceptable translation since the beginning of some things is birth, and so most translations read birth. Nevertheless, the proper understanding of Matthew 1:18 is the beginning of Jesus Christ. In the beginning God had a plan, a purpose, which became flesh when Jesus was conceived.
 

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It could simply be stating the creation that begins in the first century. With the birth of Jesus, Gods firstborn Son.
Apparently, i've heard that before, but it is not, for that is in the following verse 18.

Thank you.
 

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Seriously, I gave you a detailed response to this already…..if you did not read it, that is hardly my problem…

Reread my post #308 and it explains Greek grammar…..the reason why the holy spirit is called “he” rather than “it”.
Like God, the holy spirit has no literal gender. There are not three males in heaven who all claim to be God, sitting under one umbrella. No scripture says so.

Again, you are not listening, just like the Jews who stuck with the teachings of the Pharisees in Jesus’ day… they rejected the truth he taught to keep embracing the lies that had been taught to them for centuries before Christ’s human birth. They counted on the majority being right…..big mistake…it’s the devil who has the majority…..Jesus has the enlightened and maligned, “few”. (Matt 7:13-14; John 15:18-21)

The scripture you cited there says nothing about these three being part of a “godhead”. Being baptized “in the name of” means what? Being baptized “in the name of“ Jesus meant accepting what he taught as one of his disciples. Jesus relied on his Father to supply his teachings (John 7:15-17; John 12:49)…he taught nothing of himself but only what his Father told him to teach. The role of the holy spirit was vital in providing the back-up that Jesus and his apostles needed to sway the people to accept that the powerful works they saw, came from Jehovah.

That verse simply means recognizing the role that all three played in a Christian’s spiritual journey to baptism.

Take a look at all the “churches” who claim to be “saints” and you will see nothing but confusion….therefore, God is not in Christendom…..he never was.

Where do you get the idea that any translation of the Holy Scriptures is the work of God? It was Jehovah who inspired the original writings….but translations are the work of men. The KJV is full of errors and bias in its renderings and that is the reason why other translations were produced with a better understanding of those original languages.

As Paul said….1 Cor 14:8-9….
”For if the trumpet sounds an indistinct call, who will get ready for battle? 9 In the same way, unless you with the tongue use speech that is easily understood, how will anyone know what is being said? You will, in fact, be speaking into the air.”

The KJV is a dinosaur in this 21st century…it’s phraseology is confusing to those who do not understand archaic English. Having studied the Bible with many people whose only Bible was the KJV, I always asked if we could read a passage in a number of translations so as to get the correct understanding….it wasn’t long before the dinosaur was put away in favor of a Bible that could actually be read and easily understood.

Since ’your scholars’ are just men with opinions on how words should be translated, there was no “woopsie daisy folks”…..the “woopsie daisy” was in the the mistaken notion that the KJV was an accurate translation to begin with.

I can see that your mind and heart are fully closed, and that is your choice…..but when the judgment comes, (as it must soon) you will never be able to tell the judge that no one told you the truth. You just did not want to hear it.

Just a bit of background so you understand where I am coming from….I was raised in Christendom, and my only Bible was the KJV. I have been a student and teacher of the Bible for 50 years. Like the ancient Beroeans, (Acts 17:10-11) I allow the Bible to teach me the truth, not any church.
Suite your 'self', i rest my case.....
 

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Did Jesus claim to be God?​

The religious tight shorts in Jesus day definitely thought so. It never really occurred to his mates till after the Resurrection. After that discreet chat on the road to Emmaus as he opened the scriptures to their minds, something irrevocably changed.
 

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LOL…You had no case…. :no reply:
The Lord be the judge, not the 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' among us.

'Sola Scriptural'

As it is written; 'For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with GOD. For it is written, HE taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.'

Also written; 'Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.'

You just lost all credibility to be a witness for the Kingdom of GOD. If you abideth not the Word of GOD here in witnessing, you abideth not in the church you belong to apparently. You tend to go off in your 'self' mode when challenged. Am not the judge but witnessing 'fallacy' and 'lawlessness' even in a fellowship to the Word of GOD. As Jesus disciple. "You will know them by their fruit."
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For it is written; 'Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the FATHER and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him GOD speed: For he that biddeth him GOD speed is partaker of his evil deeds.'
 
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Don't know about legos but I do know about John 1. Of particular relevance is vs 1-3, 10 & 14.
The Word is God and is with God. The world is made through Him. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us (as God's begotten Son, Jesus)
What do you really know about John 1:1-3?
Have you ever seen it in Greek, the original language of the Christian scriptures?
You don’t have to speak Greek to see something very plainly….
Let me show you…..

John 1:1-3 from the Mounce Greek to English Interlinear…

”In en the beginning archē was eimi the ho Word logos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi with pros ·ho God theos, and kai the ho Word logos was eimi God theos. 2 He houtos was eimi in en the beginning archē with pros ·ho God theos. 3 All pas things were created ginomai by dia him autos, and kai apart chōris from him autos not oude a single thing heis was created ginomai that hos has been created ginomai.” (Mounce)

I would like you to observe that little word “ho” before “logos” and before “theos”. It means “THE” as you can see in the interlinear translation. “THE Logos“ was with “THE God” but ”THE logos“ was just “theos”, no “THE” in front of it. This is how the Greeks, who were polytheistic, differentiated Yahweh from any other “god”. Because the Jews had stopped uttering the divine name, they called the God of the Jews (Yahweh) simply….“THE GOD”….They had no word for a god with no name.

According to Strongs Concordance, the word “theos“ (translated “god”) when it has the definite article (THE) always indicates Yahweh, but when it is missing the definite article (THE) it is speaking of someone divine or with divine authority, but not necessarily a deity.

If it was correctly translated, it would read…..
”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word was divine. 2 This one was in the beginning with Yahweh, 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”

“The Word” (ho logos) was the divine “son of God” who was ”with” his God and Father “in the beginning”….how can you be “with” someone, and at the same time, BE that same person?
The trinity has three separate gods who can talk to one another and be in different places at the same time. No scripture speaks about such a God. The God of the Jews was different to all the false gods in paganism….BECAUSE there was only one of him. (Deut 6:4)

And since the Father is eternal, and had no beginning, this was “the beginning” of creation…of which Jesus was ”firstborn”. (Col 1:15; Rev 3:14)

Add to that the 18th verse of John ch 1….
”No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.” (NASB)

If “no man has seen God at any time”……how many people saw Jesus?…….Thousands.

John’s Witness: The True Light​

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That[b] was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
Read it again….it speaks of John the Baptist…..a man “sent from God”…to prepare the way for the Messiah”. We have to “know“ the God who sent this man, as well as the one he was sent ahead of, to “prepare the way of the Lord”. (John 17:3)
“10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Yes, the world was made ”through” him, not “BY” him. This is called ‘agency’….one who is used by another to perform a role or a task. Why do celebrities have ‘agents’?
He came to his own people but they did not receive him…they actually put him to death.

The Word Becomes Flesh​

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Yes, the Word (ho logos) became flesh…..but “ho theos” did not. He did not need to, which is why he sent his “holy servant Jesus” to give his life for sinful mankind, because an immortal God cannot die. (Acts 4:27, 30)
 
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John 5:43 (KJV)
43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

This is important.

To be our kinsman redeemer, God incarnate had to live as a man would. Or he would not be the kinsman of man. And there is no doubt Jesus was and is human (albeit God the Word incarnate). This is what Jesus was talking about in his apparent inabilities (but are self-imposed limitations or restrictions):

John 5:19–24 (KJV)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 5:37 (KJV)
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

See the contrast?

Jesus came in his Father's name (authority, representation) in humility as one of us. The false god claimers throughout the ages all sold themselves as gods. And the beast, when he arrives will make the same claim.

Jesus accepted the testimony of the Father and the scriptures he fulfilled as evidence for man to conclude he is in fact God incarnate lone Creator of all things created in the beginning (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Isaiah 44:24) in company at the time with the Father (1 John 1:1-2) and the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:1-2). God with God (John 1:1-2). Yet only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4).
 

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John 5:43 (KJV)
43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

This is important.

To be our kinsman redeemer, God incarnate had to live as a man would. Or he would not be the kinsman of man. And there is no doubt Jesus was and is human (albeit God the Word incarnate). This is what Jesus was talking about in his apparent inabilities (but are self-imposed limitations or restrictions):
Quite confusing.....he was either the redeemer as a truly human person, and a human man as kinsman, as the 1st Adam began, or a god-man incarnate? Make up your mind. The latter though is a religious pagan tale handed down for mass consumption for over 1500 years now.
 

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Quite confusing.....he was either the redeemer as a truly human person, and a human man as kinsman, as the 1st Adam began, or a god-man incarnate? Make up your mind. The latter though is a religious pagan tale handed down for mass consumption for over 1500 years now.
Jesus is both fully God (Colossians 2:9) and full human (1Timothy 2:5).

Nothing confusing about it.

His mind is made up (Hebrews 7:15-21).
 

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Jesus is both fully God (Colossians 2:9) and full human (1Timothy 2:5).

Nothing confusing about it.

His mind is made up (Hebrews 7:15-21).
Well, as you think you are not confused is not the real issue here. It is who is the Son of God and surely he is not its reversal, God the Son. You cannot have it both ways I afraid. And you say you are not confused.

1 Tim 2:5, that Yahshua is a man and also the mediator between other men and his God, who is our God. That verse alone should make you realize that Yahshua is not and cannot be God or any incarnate fictional derivative as some type of religious-political- social compromise.

And that in fact is what did occur. Mostly non-Christian men who had much influence over people's spiritual beliefs, aka Church Fathers, and influenced by Greek philosophical ideas, created this fable of a god-man, and sold it to the public. They lacked the most critical ingredient in their hearts in the affairs of the Holy writ, they lacked the Spirit of God in their work.

And as for Col 2:9, and remember that the word 'godhead' was injected into scripture about 500 years ago, God (his divinity and nature and word of spirit) was INSIDE his Son. And to then say you are still not confused, and you believe this verse means that God's son was also god or God the Son.

And as for the Hebrews scripture you cited, it concerned Yahshua role as a high priest a human high priest, not God. And still you say you are not confused.

You may be in too deep to ever know the difference, and the true nature of the Son of God imo.

Can you answer the thread's question? Did Jesus claim to be God?
 
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Well, as you think you are not confused is not the real issue here. It is who is the Son of God and surely he is not its reversal, God the Son. You cannot have it both ways I afraid. And you say you are not confused.
Not confused in the least.
 

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Well, as you think you are not confused is not the real issue here. It is who is the Son of God and surely he is not its reversal, God the Son. You cannot have it both ways I afraid. And you say you are not confused.

1 Tim 2:5, that Yahshua is a man and also the mediator between other men and his God, who is our God. That verse alone should make you realize that Yahshua is not and cannot be God or any incarnate fictional derivative as some type of religious-political- social compromise.

And that in fact is what did occur. Mostly non-Christian men who had much influence over people's spiritual beliefs, aka Church Fathers, and influenced by Greek philosophical ideas, created this fable of a god-man, and sold it to the public. They lacked the most critical ingredient in their hearts in the affairs of the Holy writ, they lacked the Spirit of God in their work.

And as for Col 2:9, and remember that the word 'godhead' was injected into scripture about 500 years ago, God (his divinity and nature and word of spirit) was INSIDE his Son. And to then say you are still not confused, and you believe this verse means that God's son was also god or God the Son.

And as for the Hebrews scripture you cited, it concerned Yahshua role as a high priest a human high priest, not God. And still you say you are not confused.

You may be in too deep to ever know the difference, and the true nature of the Son of God imo.

Can you answer the thread's question? Did Jesus claim to be God?
Amen

Love, Walter
 
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1 Tim 2:5, that Yahshua is a man and also the mediator between other men and his God, who is our God. That verse alone should make you realize that Yahshua is not and cannot be God or any incarnate fictional derivative as some type of religious-political- social compromise.
How anyone can read that scripture and still not see what it says is truly blinded....
1 Tim 2:5-6....
“For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.”
(NASB)

How many “Gods” are there? Just “one”.

And is that “one God” the “one mediator” between himself and sinful humans?
That is not possible because no sinful human can come before the Supreme Creator.
That is the whole reason why we need a “mediator” in the first place....which is defined as....
  1. one who intervenes between two, either in order to make or restore peace and friendship, or form a compact, or for ratifying a covenant
  2. a medium of communication, arbitrator” (Strongs)
The one acting as mediator cannot be one of the parties.
If Jesus was God, we would need a mediator between him and ourselves.....

Verse 6 is also confirming that point....because Christ’s sacrifice of his perfect sinless human life is a “ransom”.
So how is this ransom defined?....
what is given in exchange for another as the price of his redemption”. (Strongs)

The ransom is a set “price”......so what was the set price? The Supreme Sovereign Creator of all things in exchange for the actions of one mere disobedient mortal? There is no way that there is equivalency here.

God’s law on sacrifice was based on “atonement”...(”at-one-ment”).....one for one...”an eye for and eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life”....in order to pay the ransom, a sinless human life, equivalent to the life Adam forfeited, had to be offered. An immortal God could not pay the ransom for the redemption of a mortal human.....that would be like using a hundred trillion cans of bug spray to kill one mosquito....

Only a mortal can die....Jesus said that he was “from the realms above” and that his God had “sent” him on a mission. He had to be made a human who was the exact equivalent of Adam in order to pay the ransom demanded under God’s Law.

So just that one scripture among many, shoots down any claim that Jesus was God incarnate. He sent his son on that mission and rewarded him when it was successfully completed.

Phil 2:8-11...
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (NASB)

Who can read that and not see that Jesus was “obedient” to his God and Father?
He was “exalted”......but how does God exalt a being that is his equal?

And why is he given a new name that is above every name, when Jehovah already has that name?
In scripture God has only one name.....
“May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High
over all the earth.”
(Psalm 83:18)

All that Jesus did was for “the glory of God the Father”.....not for himself. There is no “God the Son”.

This blindness is so extraordinary because it beggars belief.....the scriptures are plainly saying that Jesus cannot be God...but he can be God’s son (as he said he was) and also his “holy servant”, (Acts 4:27) acting in his Father’s behalf.
 
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How anyone can read that scripture and still not see what it says is truly blinded....
1 Tim 2:5-6....
“For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.”
(NASB)

How many “Gods” are there? Just “one”.

And is that “one God” the “one mediator” between himself and sinful humans?
That is not possible because no sinful human can come before the Supreme Creator.
That is whole reason why we need a “mediator” in the first place....which is defined as....
  1. one who intervenes between two, either in order to make or restore peace and friendship, or form a compact, or for ratifying a covenant
  2. a medium of communication, arbitrator” (Strongs)
The one acting as mediator cannot be one of the parties.
If Jesus was God, we would need a mediator between him and ourselves.....

Verse 6 is also confirming that point....because Christ’s sacrifice of his perfect sinless human life is a “ransom”.
So how is this ransom defined?....
what is given in exchange for another as the price of his redemption”. (Strongs)

The ransom is a set “price”......so what was the set price? The Supreme Sovereign Creator of all things in exchange for the actions of one mere disobedient mortal? There is no way that there is equivalency here.

God’s law on sacrifice was based on “atonement”...(”at-one-ment”).....one for one...”an eye for and eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life”....in order to pay the ransom, a sinless human life, equivalent to the life Adam forfeited, had to be offered. An immortal God could not pay the ransom for the redemption of a mortal human.....that would be like using a hundred trillion cans of bug spray to kill one mosquito....

Only a mortal can die....Jesus said that he was “from the realms above” and that his God had “sent” him on a mission. He had to be made a human who was the exact equivalent of Adam in order to pay the ransom demanded under God’s Law.

So just that one scripture among many, shoots down any claim that Jesus was God incarnate. He sent his son on that mission and rewarded him when it was successfully completed.

Phil 2:8-11...
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (NASB)

Who can read that and not see that Jesus was “obedient” to his God and Father?
He was “exalted”......but how does God exalt a being that is his equal?

And why is he given a new name that is above every name, when Jehovah already has that name?
In scripture God has only one name.....
“May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High
over all the earth.”
(Psalm 83:18)

All that Jesus did was for “the glory of God the Father”.....not for himself. There is no “God the Son”.

This blindness is so extraordinary because it beggars belief.....the scriptures are plainly saying that Jesus cannot be God...but he can be God’s son (as he said he was) and also his “holy servant”, (Acts 4:27) acting in his Father’s behalf.
I like your response AJ. It reveals sound logical, easy-to-read/understood flow in this subject argument. Our God is immeasurably greater that his Son and any man/woman, even over his angels, over all creation.

And in the end, as you said, this human Jesus, the first-born begotten Son, was exalted by his Father, and the glory that Jesus might have been credited, was all truly toward and for his Father, God!. As it should be. And only another mortal human being can pay the legal cost commanded by God for our redemption and salvation.

He was and is, a genuine, humble and loving Son indeed. Created by his maker and for our benefit, for all who would desire to believe in him, his words, his works sourced from his Father, and in the spiritual transformational power of the message(gospel) of salvation given by God.

As you may well know already, 'most' scripture becomes clearer, without secrets and mysteries attached, if we have a firm foundation of who is truly the Father and the Son, first.
 

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How anyone can read that scripture and still not see what it says is truly blinded....
1 Tim 2:5-6....
“For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.”
(NASB)

How many “Gods” are there? Just “one”.

And is that “one God” the “one mediator” between himself and sinful humans?
That is not possible because no sinful human can come before the Supreme Creator.
That is the whole reason why we need a “mediator” in the first place....which is defined as....
  1. one who intervenes between two, either in order to make or restore peace and friendship, or form a compact, or for ratifying a covenant
  2. a medium of communication, arbitrator” (Strongs)
The one acting as mediator cannot be one of the parties.
If Jesus was God, we would need a mediator between him and ourselves.....

Verse 6 is also confirming that point....because Christ’s sacrifice of his perfect sinless human life is a “ransom”.
So how is this ransom defined?....
what is given in exchange for another as the price of his redemption”. (Strongs)

The ransom is a set “price”......so what was the set price? The Supreme Sovereign Creator of all things in exchange for the actions of one mere disobedient mortal? There is no way that there is equivalency here.

God’s law on sacrifice was based on “atonement”...(”at-one-ment”).....one for one...”an eye for and eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life”....in order to pay the ransom, a sinless human life, equivalent to the life Adam forfeited, had to be offered. An immortal God could not pay the ransom for the redemption of a mortal human.....that would be like using a hundred trillion cans of bug spray to kill one mosquito....

Only a mortal can die....Jesus said that he was “from the realms above” and that his God had “sent” him on a mission. He had to be made a human who was the exact equivalent of Adam in order to pay the ransom demanded under God’s Law.

So just that one scripture among many, shoots down any claim that Jesus was God incarnate. He sent his son on that mission and rewarded him when it was successfully completed.

Phil 2:8-11...
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (NASB)

Who can read that and not see that Jesus was “obedient” to his God and Father?
He was “exalted”......but how does God exalt a being that is his equal?

And why is he given a new name that is above every name, when Jehovah already has that name?
In scripture God has only one name.....
“May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High
over all the earth.”
(Psalm 83:18)

All that Jesus did was for “the glory of God the Father”.....not for himself. There is no “God the Son”.

This blindness is so extraordinary because it beggars belief.....the scriptures are plainly saying that Jesus cannot be God...but he can be God’s son (as he said he was) and also his “holy servant”, (Acts 4:27) acting in his Father’s behalf.
Hello Aunty Jane, I see now! that Jesus has said that GOD is a Spirit, even as I had not seen before with the scriptures.

Love, Walter
 
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John 5:43 (KJV)
43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

This is important.
Yes, it is important.....if Jesus was equally God, why could he not come in his own name?
Why was acceptance of the Father’s name held as of higher importance that Christ’s, if they were equally “God”?
To be our kinsman redeemer, God incarnate had to live as a man would. Or he would not be the kinsman of man. And there is no doubt Jesus was and is human (albeit God the Word incarnate).
A “kinsman” would have to be 100% mortal human.....Can the Almighty Sovereign Lord of the Universe become like the fleas on a dog in order to have kinship with the other fleas, or even the dog?

David said we are as “grasshoppers” down here on this earth.....do we imagine for one moment that there would ever be a time when God has not anticipated what he needed to do in advance of any situation that might arise as the consequence of his free willed children’s actions?

Yahweh God has an entire family of angels in heaven who serve him constantly in various capacities and rank....a King who has many servants needs to do nothing himself, but command those who are in his service to act in his behalf.

Many would be surprised to hear that Jesus is called both a “holy servant” of his God as well as an ”apostle”.....( Acts 4:27, 30; Heb 3:1)
Can God be his own servant?
Can God be his own apostle?
What about his own High Priest? Since these are all avenues of service TO God, doesn’t it seem strange that an omniscient God would put himself in a position where he was forced to serve himself? It’s nonsense!

Only another mortal could be used to rectify the situation that Adam created for his children. Mortal humans sinned, but the entire responsibility for the fall was place squarely on the shoulders of the man. (Rom 5:12) So the redeemer had to be the exact equivalent of that man in order to pay the price of redemption. Jesus is called “the last Adam” for that reason. (1 Cor 15:45)

The immortal God was ‘overqualified’ for the task.....so he sent his most trusted “servant” to fulfill the requirement and redeem the now condemned human race. The servant did so willingly, out of love.....love for his God, and also for mankind whom he had a hand in bringing to life.

This is what Jesus was talking about in his apparent inabilities (but are self-imposed limitations or restrictions):

John 5:19–24 (KJV)
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Do you speak archaic English at home? When people of other nations who do not speak English, have translations of the Bible in their own tongue, do you believe it is written in a dead language? Would people have to learn another language in order to read it with understanding?

Losing the old KJV would be a good start for anyone who finds it confusing and a stumbling block to understanding......what is a translation for, after all? Why were the disciples able to speak in the languages of the Jews who came to Jerusalem for the Festival of Pentecost, from foreign lands? (Acts 2:5-11)
Our mother tongue is the one that speaks to the heart.....it’s the one that makes the most sense....but only if it is comprehensible. The KJV is a dinosaur.

The passage of scripture you quoted and the parts you highlighted do not say what you imagine them to say....all are pointing to the superiority of the Father and the son as his representative. The son is his Father’s willing servant, “sent” by him to recover what Adam threw away for his children.

If we want everlasting life, we have to “know the only true God” AND “the one he sent, Jesus Christ”. (John 17:3) There is no mention of the holy spirit there.....
Those who accept Christendom’s version of God, do not know him at all.
John 5:37 (KJV)
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

See the contrast?
LOL...see what is plainly written.....The Father “sent” Jesus and foretold his appearance long in advance of his human birth.
John 1:18 confirms what Jesus said.....
“No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.”
If “no man has seen God at any time”, then Jesus cannot be God because literally thousands of people saw him and heard him.
Jesus came in his Father's name (authority, representation) in humility as one of us.
Why does one part of God need authority from his equal?
Matt 28:18 tells us that “ALL AUTHORITY” was “given” to the son “in heaven and on earth”....what a strange thing to say if he is God already in a different form. (This was after his resurrection.)
Jesus accepted the testimony of the Father and the scriptures he fulfilled as evidence for man to conclude he is in fact God incarnate lone Creator of all things created in the beginning (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Isaiah 44:24) in company at the time with the Father (1 John 1:1-2) and the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:1-2). God with God (John 1:1-2). Yet only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4).
Do you see the way you manipulated scripture there to assume something it does not say.....?
Where will I find “God incarnate lone Creator” mentioned anywhere in the Bible?

How does an infinite, eternal being have a “beginning”?
The role of the Father, son and holy spirit do not make them “one godhead”..... it makes them separate parts of God’s purpose in creating man in the first place. The son is “the beginning of God’s creation” (Rev 3:14) as he himself testifies.....he was used by the Father as his agency in creation...the one “through” whom creation was made. ( Col 1:15-17)
The holy spirit is God’s infinite power used to create the raw materials of creation but leaving the creation itself to his son’s discretion, working in company with his Father as the “us” and “our” in Genesis 1:26. (Prov 8:30-32) God’s “Master Workman”.

“God with God”.......that is never mentioned.....not even hinted at. You have been sold a very ancient lie.....and one that is a clear breach of the first and most of important Commandment......to put another “god” in the Father’s place. (Exodus 20:3) Christendom has put two other gods in the Father’s place.....it is blasphemy IMO.
 
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Hello Aunty Jane, I see now! that Jesus has said that GOD is a Spirit, even as I had not seen before with the scriptures.
God is clearly identified as a spirit in John 4:24, so are all who inhabit the spirit realm....a place invisible to human sight.....Jesus came from the spirit realm into the physical realm to buy back what Adam lost, so that God could restore his first purpose for mankind here on this beautifully and lovingly prepared planet.

Most are so fixated with going to heaven that they seem to forget that we were created to live on earth....forever.
 

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God is clearly identified as a spirit in John 4:24, so are all who inhabit the spirit realm....a place invisible to human sight.....Jesus came from the spirit realm into the physical realm to buy back what Adam lost, so that God could restore his first purpose for mankind here on this beautifully and lovingly prepared planet.

Most are so fixated with going to heaven that they seem to forget that we were created to live on earth....forever.
The text in the original Greek actually says God is Spirit. The word "a" was added by translators.
 
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