What does a sick person do to get well?

My doctor is a Christian

Maybe I am mis reading what you are saying here but I sure would like to know more.

Are you saying if a Christian is sick they are in sin or are sinning?

Are you saying going to a doctor and/or taking medications is a bad thing and not part of the will of God?

Are you saying all who confess their sin will be physically healed?

I sure hope I am reading this or understanding this wrong my friend because if not, we got a lot of deep brotherly conversation to get into. He certainly can heal, but His main concern has always been our soul. All bodies eventually dies.

Take care and God bless

Child of God or not, God gave us brains to use. What you are proposing is nothing more then a half truth that will result in tempting God.

Child of God or not, God gave us brains to use. What you are proposing is nothing more then a half truth that will result in tempting God.

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Absolutely, God expects us to do what we can...

the 1st step:

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Couple this with sound medical advice, after all, Luke was a physician. To not do all we can is tempting God...

Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Our faith is in God to heal, but we need to do all we can.

afaithfulone4u said:

They go to the doctor's to get the medicine that is going to heal them and as long as it takes they keep going and taking that medication.
Well, ungodly man goes to another fallen human they call a doctor man or healer, that they have twisted the meaning of, to get some concoction made in a test tube consisting of God's herb's mixed with harmful chemicals, as if God's herb wasn't sufficiant, that usually only cover up the symptoms or partial healing for a while and robs you of all your lifes savings.

But a child of God knows that Jesus, the Rabbi, the Teacher, the Actual Word of God is OUR HEALER. So if you are sick and diseased in your body, which The Bible says is due to our sins, being tempted by the devil to do his will and falling far from God's will into sickness, then you should take a lesson from our ungodly neighbors and keep visiting OUR Doctor by feeding upon His medicine(Word of God) and recieve TRUE ETERNAL HEALING and it is FREE.
Blessings

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I HAVE BEEN READING THIS from you for some time now. are you trying to tell me if you broke your leg you would not go and get it fixed by a doctor? or are you saying we should not take any drugs that are prescribed to you whether they be natural remedy or prescription drug?

the Word teaches that God deals with each man differently by where they are in Christ. just like a newborn baby is treated differently then a 2 year old and a 2 year old is treated differently from a teenager and ect. also not even every grown up are all like. each have their own problems both from present and past circumstances that have happened. thus God is required to go about helping each one of us differently.

now just because you are at a place in God that you can believe for divine healing is great. but please don't look down on people that cannot do it. maybe their faith is at a point that they cannot believe for a complete supernatural recovery but can believe that if they go to a doctor that everything will turn out great and God will supernaturally reduce the recovery time so they will be get well faster.

God bless

now just because you are at a place in God that you can believe for
divine healing is great. but please don't look down on people that
cannot do it. maybe their faith is at a point that they cannot believe
for a complete supernatural recovery but can believe that if they go to a
doctor that everything will turn out great and God will supernaturally
reduce the recovery time so they will be get well faster.

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It has nothing to do with having enough faitgh as the faith of a mustard seed with obedience can move mountains. It has to do with the will of God. Sometimes God chooses to do direct miracles but often chooses to work through us and others. Upon saying this, IT IS NOT GODS WILL THAT EVERYBODY BE HEALED!! The prayer in faith that James talks about is a prayer in faith upon acting with the will of God and being called to pray this prayer of faith.

What happened to James?

We certainly grow much in Christ but He teaches us it is about the soul condition that is important and not so much the physical unless He uses it to reveal Himself as to give eternal life upon those who believe.

God bless

PS While upon earth, there are many people Jesus chose not to heal, including his earthly father who died mid way through Jesus three years of ministry.


I am not adding this for sympothy at all, as through my sickness I have been blessed a hundred times fold, but just want to share a drop of my background as so you might know why this is a touchy subject for me.

I have been getting my entire liquid and nutrition supply now through a feeding tube for many years, as to where I cannot remember how many. I have had many prayers. I was living through a period of temptation but the temptation does not always dissapear with sickness. Through this sickness God has drawn me much closer to Himself. Far from perfect my heart has not condemned me on any ongoing sin (some attitude changing though) for quite some time now. I say that only for those who might suggest that there is no healing because of a sin even though James himself would dispute that.

I consider myself to be blessed by my weakness because through my weakness He is strong. On Him I totally rely as myself I can do nothing apart from Him that is good or useful.

There is no one on this earth that will not see their deathbed. The only question remains, are we ready to be with Jesus?

Thank you Jesus because through your blood alone I am perfected.

the stranger said:

It has nothing to do with having enough faitgh as the faith of a mustard seed with obedience can move mountains. It has to do with the will of God. Sometimes God chooses to do direct miracles but often chooses to work through us and others. Upon saying this, IT IS NOT GODS WILL THAT EVERYBODY BE HEALED!! The prayer in faith that James talks about is a prayer in faith upon acting with the will of God and being called to pray this prayer of faith.

What happened to James?

We certainly grow much in Christ but He teaches us it is about the soul condition that is important and not so much the physical unless He uses it to reveal Himself as to give eternal life upon those who believe.

God bless

PS While upon earth, there are many people Jesus chose not to heal, including his earthly father who died mid way through Jesus three years of ministry.


I am not adding this for sympothy at all, as through my sickness I have been blessed a hundred times fold, but just want to share a drop of my background as so you might know why this is a touchy subject for me.

I have been getting my entire liquid and nutrition supply now through a feeding tube for many years, as to where I cannot remember how many. I have had many prayers. I was living through a period of temptation but the temptation does not always dissapear with sickness. Through this sickness God has drawn me much closer to Himself. Far from perfect my heart has not condemned me on any ongoing sin (some attitude changing though) for quite some time now. I say that only for those who might suggest that there is no healing because of a sin even though James himself would dispute that.

I consider myself to be blessed by my weakness because through my weakness He is strong. On Him I totally rely as myself I can do nothing apart from Him that is good or useful.

There is no one on this earth that will not see their deathbed. The only question remains, are we ready to be with Jesus?

Thank you Jesus because through your blood alone I am perfected.

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i would like to tell you that you are correct but that is contrary to what the word teaches. all who believe WILL lay hands on the sick and they will recover. the Word teaches that my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. this shows us that if we lack knowledge then we are going to fall short of God's best for us because God will not over ride our will and make us learn the truth of his Word. is 5:13 shows us people become captives of the devil because the don't know the truth of God's Word to live free. due 30:19 tells us that we are the ones to choose whether we will walk in the blessings or the curses. due 30:14 and rom 10:8 tell us that the word of faith is on both our mouth and in our hearts and are necessary to bring about all that God has said in his word. we are not going to be healed in heaven because in heaven there are no sicknesses or oppression to be healed from. so if healing is not for heaven then it must be for today while we are here on earth. we need to come to God on his terms and not ours. we can have a zeal for God and still lack knowledge. it is when we try to do things without knowledge that will cause things to not happen. the devil is doing a good job at blinding christians from the power of his Word.

there is more to being healed then just "faith". we need to know:
who we are in Christ
that we are redeemed from the curse of the law
that we are to walk in the spirit and not by sight
our authority in Christ
that the devil is powerless
that we have victory already available to us in every situation

even medical science has proved that what we worry about will come to pass.

i will get into the Will of God at a later date. i need to get ready to leave.

God bless

Arnie Manitoba said:

My doctor is a Christian

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How do you find a christian doctor,and not offend the doctors who are non christian?

7angels said:

i would like to tell you that you are correct but that is contrary to what the word teaches. all who believe WILL lay hands on the sick and they will recover. the Word teaches that my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. this shows us that if we lack knowledge then we are going to fall short of God's best for us because God will not over ride our will and make us learn the truth of his Word. is 5:13 shows us people become captives of the devil because the don't know the truth of God's Word to live free. due 30:19 tells us that we are the ones to choose whether we will walk in the blessings or the curses. due 30:14 and rom 10:8 tell us that the word of faith is on both our mouth and in our hearts and are necessary to bring about all that God has said in his word. we are not going to be healed in heaven because in heaven there are no sicknesses or oppression to be healed from. so if healing is not for heaven then it must be for today while we are here on earth. we need to come to God on his terms and not ours. we can have a zeal for God and still lack knowledge. it is when we try to do things without knowledge that will cause things to not happen. the devil is doing a good job at blinding christians from the power of his Word.

there is more to being healed then just "faith". we need to know:
who we are in Christ
that we are redeemed from the curse of the law
that we are to walk in the spirit and not by sight
our authority in Christ
that the devil is powerless
that we have victory already available to us in every situation

even medical science has proved that what we worry about will come to pass.

i will get into the Will of God at a later date. i need to get ready to leave.

God bless

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Thank you for your kind reply, though certainly seeing things differently. I hope and pray through the Spirit my responses will always be spirit filled and not self filled as self filled is of Satan. In saying that I guess we can start down this long road of knowledge and understanding.

2 Timothy 4:20 New International Version (©1984)
Erastus stayed in Corinth, and I left Trophimus sick in Miletus.

Paul left Trophimus sick in Miletus. Was Trophimus not a good Christian or lacked faith? Was he just not knowledgable enough to be healed? What do we know about him?

Acts 21:29 New International Version (©1984)
(They
had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian in the city with Paul and
assumed that Paul had brought him into the temple area.)

He traveled with Paul

Acts 20:4 New International Version (©1984)
He
was accompanied by Sopater son of Pyrrhus from Berea, Aristarchus and
Secundus from Thessalonica, Gaius from Derbe, Timothy also, and Tychicus
and Trophimus from the province of Asia.

Based on this area of passage it is believed the following references Trophimus:

2 Corinthians 8:19 New International Version (©1984)
What
is more, he was chosen by the churches to accompany us as we carry the
offering, which we administer in order to honor the Lord himself and to
show our eagerness to help.

Thus we can assume Trophimus was held in high asteem, but maybe he just didn't know about the possibility of being healed through prayer?



<< Acts 14 >>
New International Version 1984


9He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed 10and called out, “Stand up on your feet!” At that, the man jumped up and began to walk.



<< Acts 19 >>
New International Version 1984


11God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, 12so
that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to
the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.

Acts 15:12
The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul
telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the
Gentiles through them.New International Version ©1984 by


Well, I don't know. It does seem being they traveled together that Trophimus most certainly not only would have heard of but would have been there in the midst of miracles done by Paul and others.

So, can you tell me why Trophimus was not healed and left sick? Further more, why was Paul sick and never healed, the man who healed so many through Jesus Christ?

2 Corinthians 12:7 New International Version (©1984)
To
keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great
revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of
Satan, to torment me.

2 Corinthians 10:10 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.

2 Corinthians 12:10 New Living Translation (©2007)
That's
why I take pleasure in my weaknesses, and in the insults, hardships,
persecutions, and troubles that I suffer for Christ. For when I am weak,
then I am strong.

Philippians 2 25But
I think it is necessary to send back to you Epaphroditus, my brother,
fellow worker and fellow soldier, who is also your messenger, whom you
sent to take care of my needs.
26For he longs for all of you and is distressed because you heard he was ill.
27Indeed
he was ill, and almost died. But God had mercy on him, and not on him
only but also on me, to spare me sorrow upon sorrow.
28Therefore I am all the more eager to send him, so that when you see him again you may be glad and I may have less anxiety.
29Welcome him in the Lord with great joy, and honor men like him,
30because he almost died for the work of Christ, risking his life to make up for the help you could not give me.

It is apparent though Paul through Christ healed many, this sickness lasted for some time and Pauls companion almost died from it.

1 Timothy 5:23 New International Version (©1984)
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.

And what about Timothy? His freqent illnesses? Why didn't Paul pray the prayer of faith that would of healed him?

After all, he meant the world to Paul. 1 Timothy 1:2 2To Timothy, my true child in the faith: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

Sickness seems to be found throughout the bible and should be expected.

Psalm 90
9We live our lives beneath your wrath,
ending our years with a groan.

10Seventy years are given to us!
Some even live to eighty.
But even the best years are filled with pain and trouble;
soon they disappear, and we fly away.

11Who can comprehend the power of your anger?
Your wrath is as awesome as the fear you deserve.

12Teach us to realize the brevity of life,
so that we may grow in wisdom


I will add just one more post in a little while for now with some questions for you to answer. We can then go on from there. I want to focus just a tad bit on James passage and his life next.

God bless

Pelaides said:

How do you find a christian doctor,and not offend the doctors who are non christian?

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Who said "I found him" ?

He is my doctor and he also happens to be a very good singer ..... in my church.

Whether you turn to a doctor, other medical professional or healing revivalist or whomever, whether you saved or not Jesus is the healer of all manner of diseases. Whether your healing comes through medicine, laying on of hands, the word or whatever the One who heals us is Jesus! In all these methods He confirms His healing power!

i would like to tell you that you are correct but that is contrary to
what the word teaches. all who believe WILL lay hands on the sick and
they will recover.

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James 5:15 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And
the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him
up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

THE PRAYER OF FAITH:

Matthew 17:20 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And
Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto
you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this
mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and
nothing shall be impossible unto you.



<< Mark 9 >>
New International Version 1984


23“‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for him who believes.”
24Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
25When Jesus saw that a crowd was running to the scene, he rebuked the evila spirit. “You deaf and mute spirit,” he said, “I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.”



<< 1 John 5 >>
New International Version 1984


14This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. 15And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.


<< Romans 8 >>
New International Version 1984


25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26In
the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what
we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with
groans that words cannot express. 27And
he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the
Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.

AND THE LORD SHALL RAISE HIM UP


<< 1 Peter 5 >>
New International Version 1984


10And
the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ,
after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and
make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen.



<< Jeremiah 17 >>
New International Version 1984


14Heal me, O Lord, and I will be healed;
save me and I will be saved,
for you are the one I praise.
15They keep saying to me,
“Where is the word of the Lord?
Let it now be fulfilled!”


<< John 6 >>
New International Version 1984


49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I
am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this
bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give
for the life of the world.”
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day


<< 1 Peter 3 >>
New International Version 1984


17It is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

1 Peter 4:19 So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.


What else does James have to say?




<< James 1 >>
New International Version 1984


Trials and Temptations
2Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.

9The brother in humble circumstances ought to take pride in his high position. 10But the one who is rich should take pride in his low position, because he will pass away like a wild flower. 11For
the sun rises with scorching heat and withers the plant; its blossom
falls and its beauty is destroyed. In the same way, the rich man will
fade away even while he goes about his business.
12Blessed
is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the
test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those
who love him.



<< James 4 >>
New International Version 1984


14Why,
you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You
are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.” 16As it is, you boast and brag. All such boasting is evil.


<< James 5 >>
New International Version 1984


11As
you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard
of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought
about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.



<< Job 42 >>
New International Version 1984


2“I know that you can do all things;
no plan of yours can be thwarted.
3[You asked,] ‘Who is this that obscures my counsel without knowledge?’
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.
4[“You said,] ‘Listen now, and I will speak;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.’
5My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
6Therefore I despise myself
and repent in dust and ashes.”




James knew Paul who could not heal all the sick.



<< Acts 21 >>
New International Version 1984


18The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.

James
was a fisherman in partnership with Peter who Jesus fortold would be
forced to go where he did not want and after some time passed of his
impisement Peter was crucified upside down. James himself was killed by
Herod.

The
scripture that you have given really have no relation as to being sick
or what the will of God is concerning except we are to follow Him and
learn of and from Him.

we are not going to be healed in heaven because in heaven there are no
sicknesses or oppression to be healed from. so if healing is not for
heaven then it must be for today while we are here on earth.

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What is the purpose for healing?


<< John 14 >>
New International Version 1984


12I
tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been
doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to
the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.



<< Acts 17 >>
New International Version 1984


26From
one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole
earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places
where they should live. 27God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’



<< Isaiah 43 >>
New International Version 1984


4Since you are precious and honored in my sight,
and because I love you,
I will give men in exchange for you,
and people in exchange for your life.
5Do not be afraid, for I am with you;
I will bring your children from the east
and gather you from the west.
6I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’
and to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’
Bring my sons from afar
and my daughters from the ends of the earth—
7everyone who is called by my name,
whom I created for my glory,
whom I formed and made.

In love, I would like to ask you, do you ever believe it is Gods will that we suffer?

If so, than could not sickness be a part of that?

I know you believe all humans die, so that being said, why is it you have trouble with human suffering?

I
give GOD all the credit for any knowledge I bestow as on my own I have
nothing and I know nothing. I could not and I would not be able to do
these posts without the very guidance and help from the Holy Spirit. He
is not just the reason for the season but the reason, the very reason I
live today. To God be all the glory. Thank you Jesus.

Arnie Manitoba said:

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Who said "I found him" ?

He is my doctor and he also happens to be a very good singer ..... in my church.

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O.k , the reason i asked is because i have been trying to find a good christian doctor and dentist,I thought maybe there was referal sevice of some kind,alot of doctors in my city are to busy to go to church.

Stranger, I must compliment you on the effort in your posts. Sorry to hear about what you are going through!! I had a recent situation with my little baby . He needed a head operation badly and we battled to get one. God intervened and we ended up getting one earlier / just in time. He has to live with this now. Needs to go in for check-ups every year. We need to monitor and watch him daily.

I mean no offence to 7Angels as I have many good friends who think just as he does. Likewise afaithfuloneforu. They are Christians. But I really do just wish they would see how insulting their claims are .

The ONLY requirement to God hearing our prayers is being a child of God. Which means IF our prayer is NOT answered as we would like, we need to accept the result as God's will. My dumb and illiterate (NOT knowing the specific scriptures / context whatever!! needed to claim / get God's healing) kid will get his request answered first .

If there is ANY chance that God would hear and respond to their prayer and not ours...what they are actually saying is that they are a child of God and we are NOT. Most times I am sure its un-intentional, they just haven't thought their statements through. At least I hope :blink:.

Most Christians need to read the dictionary before reading the bible. LIke fully grasping the meaning of the word tempting.

7 Angels said: the Word teaches that my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. this shows us that if we lack knowledge then we are going to fall short of God's best for us because God will not over ride our will and make us learn the truth of his Word. is 5:13 shows us people become captives of the devil because the don't know the truth of God's Word to live free

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You need to meditate on this more. A lack of knowledge effects us not God! or His will for us (ie His answer to our prayer requests).

We walk in healing and full provision as children of God! Which means IF anything should happen to us, it IS God's will. The only issue would be if we are in unrepentant sin. A lack of knowledge affects us with things like depression, suicidal, temptation for sin, nervousness etc, not 'God ignores our prayers or needs'.

There are no tricks or magic verses to memorise!!!!!!!

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With all respect some of you people are full of crap.

Save all the typing and rhetoric and give us a publicly witnessed demonstration of "healing"

Either put up or shut up.

I have no doubt that so called "miracle healings" can take place once in a rare while

But not by you

I dare you to prove me wrong.

At least they are putting themselves out there. I have great respect for the healing preachers that go out praying for the sick and witnessing.

Most of us are not pro-active enough / at all in this field.

the stranger said:

Thank you for your kind reply, though certainly seeing things differently. I hope and pray through the Spirit my responses will always be spirit filled and not self filled as self filled is of Satan. In saying that I guess we can start down this long road of knowledge and understanding.

2 Timothy 4:20 New International Version (©1984)
Erastus stayed in Corinth, and I left Trophimus sick in Miletus.

Paul left Trophimus sick in Miletus. Was Trophimus not a good Christian or lacked faith? Was he just not knowledgable enough to be healed? What do we know about him?

Acts 21:29 New International Version (©1984)
(They
had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian in the city with Paul and
assumed that Paul had brought him into the temple area.)

He traveled with Paul

Acts 20:4 New International Version (©1984)
He
was accompanied by Sopater son of Pyrrhus from Berea, Aristarchus and
Secundus from Thessalonica, Gaius from Derbe, Timothy also, and Tychicus
and Trophimus from the province of Asia.

Based on this area of passage it is believed the following references Trophimus:

2 Corinthians 8:19 New International Version (©1984)
What
is more, he was chosen by the churches to accompany us as we carry the
offering, which we administer in order to honor the Lord himself and to
show our eagerness to help.

Thus we can assume Trophimus was held in high asteem, but maybe he just didn't know about the possibility of being healed through prayer?


<< Acts 14 >>
New International Version 1984
9He listened to Paul as he was speaking. Paul looked directly at him, saw that he had faith to be healed 10and called out, “Stand up on your feet!” At that, the man jumped up and began to walk.


<< Acts 19 >>
New International Version 1984
11God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, 12so
that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to
the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them.

Acts 15:12
The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul
telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the
Gentiles through them.New International Version ©1984 by


Well, I don't know. It does seem being they traveled together that Trophimus most certainly not only would have heard of but would have been there in the midst of miracles done by Paul and others.

So, can you tell me why Trophimus was not healed and left sick? Further more, why was Paul sick and never healed, the man who healed so many through Jesus Christ?

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why trophimus was sick i don't know or even if he was actually sick. several times sick is used in the bible to refer to recovering but the the word does not tell us.

the stranger said:

2 Corinthians 12:7 New International Version (©1984)
To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great
revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of
Satan, to torment me.

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this verse seems to always be misunderstood. first the devil would never try and stop a person from trying to become conceited. so if the thorn in the flesh is not from satan then what is it? second, thorn in the bible is used nowhere to imply any type of sickness so to say that it is used in this case is mean paul was inflicted with some type sickness is wrong. what this verse is saying is that paul thought that the exceeding revelation of God's word was to much of a temptation to become conceited with pride so paul wanted free of it.

the stranger said:

2 Corinthians 10:10 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.

2 Corinthians 12:10 New Living Translation (©2007)
That's why I take pleasure in my weaknesses, and in the insults, hardships,
persecutions, and troubles that I suffer for Christ. For when I am weak,
then I am strong.

Philippians 2 25But
I think it is necessary to send back to you Epaphroditus, my brother,
fellow worker and fellow soldier, who is also your messenger, whom you
sent to take care of my needs.
26For he longs for all of you and is distressed because you heard he was ill.
27Indeed he was ill, and almost died. But God had mercy on him, and not on him
only but also on me, to spare me sorrow upon sorrow.
28Therefore I am all the more eager to send him, so that when you see him again you may be glad and I may have less anxiety.
29Welcome him in the Lord with great joy, and honor men like him,
30because he almost died for the work of Christ, risking his life to make up for the help you could not give me.

It is apparent though Paul through Christ healed many, this sickness lasted for some time and Pauls companion almost died from it.

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from the sound of this companion of paul i see him as dying and not just sick and he was brought back from the edge of death.

the stranger said:

1 Timothy 5:23 New International Version (©1984)
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.

And what about Timothy? His freqent illnesses? Why didn't Paul pray the prayer of faith that would of healed him?

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Now, regarding Paul's admonition to Timothy, that because of the medicinal value of wine(grape juice), he should take a "little" wine because of his weak stomach. In that part of the world, and during that time, water purification had not yet been developed, and water was often polluted. This is true even in our day in certain parts of the world.

the stranger said:

After all, he meant the world to Paul. 1 Timothy 1:2 2To Timothy, my true child in the faith: Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

Sickness seems to be found throughout the bible and should be expected.

Psalm 90
9We live our lives beneath your wrath,
ending our years with a groan.

10Seventy years are given to us!
Some even live to eighty.
But even the best years are filled with pain and trouble;
soon they disappear, and we fly away.

11Who can comprehend the power of your anger?
Your wrath is as awesome as the fear you deserve.

12Teach us to realize the brevity of life,
so that we may grow in wisdom


I will add just one more post in a little while for now with some questions for you to answer. We can then go on from there. I want to focus just a tad bit on James passage and his life next.

God bless

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i wish you all the best. i know healing is for today because when i get symptoms of sickness or pains i speak to my sickness and or pain and have it leave. i have only just started using it on others outside my home and only on people who i have not seen or talked to again yet to see how things are going.

now i don't know how you got your information about healing only happening if God wills it. it maybe through what you were taught or it may have come through experience of what you yourself have gone through personally or maybe a combination of the two. whatever the case you have just put a limit upon God for your healing. God has to work within our limitations upon him because otherwise he is going against our will. in order to get what you want you need to repent, turn away from what you were believing previously, and start heading in the direction of divine healing is for everyone. i make it sound easy but i know how difficult it was for me to do. it took me 5 years to get where i am today and that was mainly because i had no one to teach me but had to learn it on my own. there is a lot more too it then just praying for healing.

God bless

Arnie Manitoba said:

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With all respect some of you people are full of crap.

Save all the typing and rhetoric and give us a publicly witnessed demonstration of "healing"

Either put up or shut up.

I have no doubt that so called "miracle healings" can take place once in a rare while

But not by you

I dare you to prove me wrong.

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What do you need as proof to convince you?

the stranger said:

James 5:15 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him
up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

THE PRAYER OF FAITH:

Matthew 17:20 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto
you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this
mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and
nothing shall be impossible unto you.


<< Mark 9 >>
New International Version 1984
23“‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for him who believes.”
24Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
25When Jesus saw that a crowd was running to the scene, he rebuked the evila spirit. “You deaf and mute spirit,” he said, “I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.”


<< 1 John 5 >>
New International Version 1984
14This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. 15And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.

<< Romans 8 >>
New International Version 1984
25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26In
the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what
we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with
groans that words cannot express. 27And
he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the
Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.

AND THE LORD SHALL RAISE HIM UP

<< 1 Peter 5 >>
New International Version 1984
10And
the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ,
after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and
make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen.

<< Jeremiah 17 >>
New International Version 1984
14Heal me, O Lord, and I will be healed;
save me and I will be saved,
for you are the one I praise.
15They keep saying to me,
“Where is the word of the Lord?
Let it now be fulfilled!”

<< John 6 >>
New International Version 1984
49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I
am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this
bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give
for the life of the world.”
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day

<< 1 Peter 3 >>
New International Version 1984
17It is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.

1 Peter 4:19 So then, those who suffer according to God's will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.


What else does James have to say?

<< James 1 >>
New International Version 1984
Trials and Temptations
2Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.

9The brother in humble circumstances ought to take pride in his high position. 10But the one who is rich should take pride in his low position, because he will pass away like a wild flower. 11For
the sun rises with scorching heat and withers the plant; its blossom
falls and its beauty is destroyed. In the same way, the rich man will
fade away even while he goes about his business.
12Blessed
is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the
test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those
who love him.

<< James 4 >>
New International Version 1984
14Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You
are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.” 16As it is, you boast and brag. All such boasting is evil.

<< James 5 >>
New International Version 1984
11As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard
of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought
about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

<< Job 42 >>
New International Version 1984
2“I know that you can do all things;
no plan of yours can be thwarted.
3[You asked,] ‘Who is this that obscures my counsel without knowledge?’
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.
4[“You said,] ‘Listen now, and I will speak;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.’
5My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
6Therefore I despise myself
and repent in dust and ashes.”




James knew Paul who could not heal all the sick.


<< Acts 21 >>
New International Version 1984
18The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.

James
was a fisherman in partnership with Peter who Jesus fortold would be
forced to go where he did not want and after some time passed of his
impisement Peter was crucified upside down. James himself was killed by
Herod.

The
scripture that you have given really have no relation as to being sick
or what the will of God is concerning except we are to follow Him and
learn of and from Him.




What is the purpose for healing?

<< John 14 >>
New International Version 1984
12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been
doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to
the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

<< Acts 17 >>
New International Version 1984
26From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole
earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places
where they should live. 27God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’


<< Isaiah 43 >>
New International Version 1984
4Since you are precious and honored in my sight,
and because I love you,
I will give men in exchange for you,
and people in exchange for your life.
5Do not be afraid, for I am with you;
I will bring your children from the east
and gather you from the west.
6I will say to the north, ‘Give them up!’
and to the south, ‘Do not hold them back.’
Bring my sons from afar
and my daughters from the ends of the earth—
7everyone who is called by my name,
whom I created for my glory,
whom I formed and made.

In love, I would like to ask you, do you ever believe it is Gods will that we suffer?

If so, than could not sickness be a part of that?

I know you believe all humans die, so that being said, why is it you have trouble with human suffering?

I give GOD all the credit for any knowledge I bestow as on my own I have
nothing and I know nothing. I could not and I would not be able to do
these posts without the very guidance and help from the Holy Spirit. He
is not just the reason for the season but the reason, the very reason I
live today. To God be all the glory. Thank you Jesus.

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i am glad to hear of your relationship with God because it makes me happy. now to answer your 3 questions.

In love, I would like to ask you, do you ever believe it is Gods will that we suffer?

if it was God's will for us to suffer then wouldn't of God created man to suffer before sin came into this world or will we suffer when we go to heaven and be with God? the Word says God never changes so if it is God's will for man to suffer then heaven begins to sound less appealing to me the more i think about it. do you think God likes it when we suffer? do you think God rejoices when someone gets in an accident and dies? if it is God's will then everything God does is good. if it is not God's will then it is bad. the Word teaches that everything God does is good. God can make good come out of any situation but the situation you are in does not have to be God's will. let us use your situation as an example. do you think it is God's will that you suffer from the illness was given to you? and yet it seems God has done great things in your life despite your illness.

If so, than could not sickness be a part of that?

i don't believe it is God's will that we suffer. we brought suffering upon ourselves when sin entered the world.

I know you believe all humans die, so that being said, why is it you have trouble with human suffering?

i have trouble believing that a God who is good, just, and merciful would play around with people for the fun of it. if the Word is true and God will not let us be tempted by anything we cannot handle and that he always leaves us a way out of every situation then why are so many people failing? if they are not failing then when are they going to come out of their situation victorious? even if God allowed us to suffer(which i don't think God does allow us to suffer) then what is the reason for it? is there something he wants us to learn? if there is something God wants us to learn then why don't we learn it and get on with our lives? some people have had cancer for 20 years and if God is allowing it then why don't these people just learn what God wants them to learn and have the cancer go away?

also the Word teaches we are to be Christ like. if Christ allows us(the church) to suffer then we as husbands who are to imitate Christ as dear children are able to make our wives suffer. for example i could push my wife in front of a moving bus and tell her that she is to suffer through it. i could kill her and say sorry but you did not learn what i wanted you to learn so i am going to kill you. it sounds ludicrous but we do the same thing to God. we blame him for everything that happens to us. for example if we get sick or get in an accident we say it must of been God's will for this to happen to us.

God bless

i am glad to hear of your relationship with God because it makes me happy. now to answer your 3 questions.

In love, I would like to ask you, do you ever believe it is Gods will that we suffer?

the Word says God never changes so if it is
God's will for man to suffer then heaven begins to sound less appealing
to me the more i think about it. do you think God likes it when we
suffer? do you think God rejoices when someone gets in an accident and
dies? if it is God's will then everything God does is good. if it is
not God's will then it is bad. the Word teaches that everything God
does is good. God can make good come out of any situation but the
situation you are in does not have to be God's will. let us use your
situation as an example. do you think it is God's will that you suffer
from the illness was given to you? and yet it seems God has done great
things in your life despite your illness.

If so, than could not sickness be a part of that?

i don't believe it is God's will that we suffer. we brought suffering upon ourselves when sin entered the world.

I know you believe all humans die, so that being said, why is it you have trouble with human suffering?

i
have trouble believing that a God who is good, just, and merciful would
play around with people for the fun of it. if the Word is true and God
will not let us be tempted by anything we cannot handle and that he
always leaves us a way out of every situation then why are so many
people failing? if they are not failing then when are they going to
come out of their situation victorious? even if God allowed us to
suffer(which i don't think God does allow us to suffer) then what is the
reason for it? is there something he wants us to learn? if there is
something God wants us to learn then why don't we learn it and get on
with our lives? some people have had cancer for 20 years and if God is
allowing it then why don't these people just learn what God wants them
to learn and have the cancer go away?

also the Word
teaches we are to be Christ like. if Christ allows us(the church) to
suffer then we as husbands who are to imitate Christ as dear children
are able to make our wives suffer. for example i could push my wife in
front of a moving bus and tell her that she is to suffer through it. i
could kill her and say sorry but you did not learn what i wanted you to
learn so i am going to kill you. it sounds ludicrous but we do the same
thing to God. we blame him for everything that happens to us. for
example if we get sick or get in an accident we say it must of been
God's will for this to happen to us.

God bless

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SUFFERING--GODS WILL? (ps) also read scripture already posted above 1 Peter 5:10 1 Peter 3:17 1 Peter 4:19


<< Genesis 50 >>
New International Version 1984
20You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.


<< Matthew 5 >>
New International Version 1984
Love for Enemies
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighborh and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you: Love your enemiesi and pray for those who persecute you, 45that
you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on
the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the
unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


<< Romans 8 >>
New International Version 1984
35Who
shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or
persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”l



God has a reason he allows suffering into our lives. He uses our suffering to bring us closer to Himself, to preserve life, to bring others to Himself through relating comfort through tribulation.

When Adam and Eve were created they were created to have direct fellowship with God. They were created to bring God glory. They were created to be Gods best friends. God is still the same today as He was yesterday. His goal and motivation is the same. Unfortunately sin separated us from that relationship. That is why Jesus had to die on the cross. His goal is to bring all into fellowship and friendship to Himself, as it always has been. In order to do this, He must allow bad things to happen as sin now is in the world and everyone apart from Him is lost. He does what ever He can to bring the lost to Himself and uses many times our suffering to do this very thing.

Let us take my situation. God, through what He has brought me through, has taught me not to be afraid of death, taught me family and relation and friends, being a blessing to others and to God is more important than anything else on this earth all in the hopes of drawing others to Himself, showed me things in which my suffering has brought about through others. You see, we all fight our own demons. When the world sees us fighting the good fight, sees us struggling as they do, sees us as humans in the rain -- but with hope, with a different heart, with a peace that carries us through all, with a song in our hearts and Gods word in our mouths, it draws others to you and through that God uses our suffering to draw others to Himself and that my brother, I am happy to be a part of. If living rich and healthy kept me a luke warm Christian and attracted no one with a rightful attitude and/or going through struggles together then where would that leave me? Where would that leave others? You know the scripture, God works everything out to His glory. Our sufferings I believe are a sign as to what Jesus did for us. As His death brought eternal life to those who accept, through our suffering God can bring people to repentance.

I believe God can heal me at any time, but I am not praying for healing anymore, though would gladly accept, but I am praying like the Son, "not My will Father, but Your will -- be done".

The problem in relation to killing your wife as we are not God. We did not create ourselves. We are not the judge or the finale authority. Would we have the same love for family if not for Christ who teaches us how to love?

Beyond all of that, God is always with us, through our suffering. In relation, I hope you would be along side your wife as you her pushed in front of the bus.

We here in the US are so blessed. Our poor (me LOL) live rich comparing to many. One man said at one time he was middle class and had his own room, with a bathroom plus running water. Here, they everyday walk a top of trash piles and human waste, where they wash their cloths in filthy water, where jobs to support their tin shacks are hard to come by and going hungry is not uncommon. In many countries, suffering for Jesus is common place. Read the web on suffering sick Christians imprisoned right now.

Do you have any idea how many people Jesus did not heal when he healed the blind man at the pool filled to the brim with the sick? What was His reason for this? To bring glory to God and to direct people to the one and only true God indeed.

It should also be noted most of the prophets suffered greatly, Gods will, and the disciples? Yep, same thing and most were killed as well.

i wish you all the best. i know healing is for today because when i
get symptoms of sickness or pains i speak to my sickness and or pain and
have it leave. i have only just started using it on others outside my
home and only on people who i have not seen or talked to again yet to
see how things are going.

now i don't know how you got
your information about healing only happening if God wills it. it maybe
through what you were taught or it may have come through experience of
what you yourself have gone through personally or maybe a combination of
the two. whatever the case you have just put a limit upon God for your
healing. God has to work within our limitations upon him because
otherwise he is going against our will. in order to get what you want
you need to repent, turn away from what you were believing previously,
and start heading in the direction of divine healing is for everyone. i
make it sound easy but i know how difficult it was for me to do. it
took me 5 years to get where i am today and that was mainly because i
had no one to teach me but had to learn it on my own. there is a lot
more too it then just praying for healing.

God bless

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Healing, only if it Gods will is the only true way found in the bible. We see this in almost every book in the bible. A prime one is Job, not to mention passages already given. When God willed Job to be healed he was healed. When God willed kings to become sick and die, the righteous and evil, they was sick and died. Nothing happens apart from what God wills or allows.

As far as you being able to rebuke Satan in the name of Jesus (which we all have this power) and you being healed and are now starting to heal others. I am happy for you. Truly am. God has given some the gift of healing. Perhaps you are one of those He has selected. In saying that, you will learn very quickly not everyone you pray for will be healed. Some of the sickest people I knew have been great warriors for Christ Jesus. When you cannot heal some one, please, do not blame it on their faith. Not only will you crush their faith, you will make the bible and Jesus to be full of lies. Again, nothing happens apart from the will of God as He is in control of everything. Many people that were healed in the bible had nothing mention of faith, but only those who were rebelling against Jesus was those who were not healed.

When preaching as though one not being healed has lack of faith or has not repented of a sin one makes Jesus to be a liar (though in some cases this is true) and makes many lose the faith they had and question God all the more. This teaching is not from God or the bible. I use to debate many ex Christians and some of them gave up on God over this very sinful and false teaching. Luke was a doctor, and Jesus told the sick to go to the doctor. We should pray for the sick, but forsake the doctor?? Like God has not called and has not given knowledge to the doctor?

Let us not judge so harshly, but when we do need to judge our family, let us so do when we know what they are doing is sin and let us do so with love and encouragement unless they refuse to listen.

the stranger, on 31 Jan 2013 - 20:44, said:

the stranger said:

2 Corinthians 12:7 New International Version (©1984)
To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great
revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of
Satan, to torment me.

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this
verse seems to always be misunderstood. first the devil would never
try and stop a person from trying to become conceited. so if the thorn
in the flesh is not from satan then what is it? second, thorn in the
bible is used nowhere to imply any type of sickness so to say that it is
used in this case is mean paul was inflicted with some type sickness is
wrong. what this verse is saying is that paul thought that the
exceeding revelation of God's word was to much of a temptation to become
conceited with pride so paul wanted free of it.

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The
thorn was from Satan but allowed by God. God allowed Satan to give it
for the reason that Paul would not become proud. Satan, not knowing
this, is always more than happy to be allowed to send pain and
suffering. This same thing is found throughout the entire bible,
including Job. A thorn in the flesh combined with Paul's known weakness
appearance seems quite simplistic to me that he was sick or at least in
some way effected physically. Your explanation is clearly not what is
written and I really cannot see where that came from.

the stranger, on 31 Jan 2013 - 20:44, said:

the stranger said:

1 Timothy 5:23 New International Version (©1984)
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.

And what about Timothy? His freqent illnesses? Why didn't Paul pray the prayer of faith that would of healed him?

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Now,
regarding Paul's admonition to Timothy, that because of the medicinal
value of wine(grape juice), he should take a "little" wine because of
his weak stomach. In that part of the world, and during that time, water
purification had not yet been developed, and water was often polluted.
This is true even in our day in certain parts of the world.
the stranger, on 31 Jan 2013 - 20:44, said:

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Though
not 100% in disagreement here, the word illness is used, representing
more than a minor ache after drinking some water. By the way, wine was
NOT grape juice. It was wine. That is why at the wedding it was a
surprise that Jesus had the best wine served later after most people
were too drunk to care or notice. Where does grape juice need to be
stored? What do we have today that they did not have then? They could
not keep things cold, thus meat was eaten quickly or turned to jerky and
because of unclean water, wine, just like in Mexico, beer, is a very
common thing for FAMILIES to drink. That does not mean it is OK to be
drunk.

from the sound of this companion of paul i see him as dying and not just sick and he was brought back from the edge of death.

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What
usually accompanies death? Sickness. Often times we get sick and do not
die but serious sickness often does lead to death, as I have almost
died three times, and from miracles from God, as the doctors could not
figure it out, and from modern health science (feeding tube and ect. ) I
am kept alive. Sometimes, feeling pretty good.

why trophimus was sick i don't know or even if he was actually sick.
several times sick is used in the bible to refer to recovering but the
the word does not tell us.

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Without doing any research on this, let us pretend you are correct.
What was he recovering from? Good health? You could say a broken leg or
something but it doesn't really fit. Even so, if one can break their leg
and suffer, God allowed, why is it He cannot be the same with sickness.
Either way, I can make no connection with your answer.



In
saying all of this, I hope you do know I love you and consider you a
good brother, and I certainly wish the very best for you. My problem is,
I want all to be encouraged in the Lord. I want no one to lose faith in
something that is not found in the bible.

I do appreciate the time you took in responding to my postings.

KingJ said:

Stranger, I must compliment you on the effort in your posts. Sorry to hear about what you are going through!! I had a recent situation with my little baby . He needed a head operation badly and we battled to get one. God intervened and we ended up getting one earlier / just in time. He has to live with this now. Needs to go in for check-ups every year. We need to monitor and watch him daily.

I mean no offence to 7Angels as I have many good friends who think just as he does. Likewise afaithfuloneforu. They are Christians. But I really do just wish they would see how insulting their claims are .

The ONLY requirement to God hearing our prayers is being a child of God. Which means IF our prayer is NOT answered as we would like, we need to accept the result as God's will. My dumb and illiterate (NOT knowing the specific scriptures / context whatever!! needed to claim / get God's healing) kid will get his request answered first .

If there is ANY chance that God would hear and respond to their prayer and not ours...what they are actually saying is that they are a child of God and we are NOT. Most times I am sure its un-intentional, they just haven't thought their statements through. At least I hope :blink:.

Most Christians need to read the dictionary before reading the bible. LIke fully grasping the meaning of the word tempting.


You need to meditate on this more. A lack of knowledge effects us not God! or His will for us (ie His answer to our prayer requests).

We walk in healing and full provision as children of God! Which means IF anything should happen to us, it IS God's will. The only issue would be if we are in unrepentant sin. A lack of knowledge affects us with things like depression, suicidal, temptation for sin, nervousness etc, not 'God ignores our prayers or needs'.

There are no tricks or magic verses to memorise!!!!!!!

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THANK YOU FOR THAT. I do hope your baby is doing a little better. Please do not feel sorry for me. Through my sickness He has given me more riches than in which I could dream and more blessings than I can count. So what if my car is a bit shaky going down the road. When I make it home (heaven) my car will never be on my mind again. I actually take the city bus, but am using the car to illustrate our body.

Your so right. This doctrine has made many question God and turn their back on Him for lack of understanding. That is one reason, through the Holy Spirit, I try to teach with wisdom and full understanding. Not that I got all or any of that completely figured out. LOL

Thanks again and God bless


Ecclesiastes 7:2 Psalm 116:15 Psalm 23:4 Isaiah 25:8 Philippians 1:21 2 Corinthians 5:2 Luke 16:25

I just wanted to share a few passages hopefully to uplift the sick and direction for the healthy regarding the sick.

Job 6:14 New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"For the despairing man there should be kindness from his friend; So that he does not forsake the fear of the Almighty.

1 Corinthians 1

3Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! He is the Father who is compassionate and the God who gives comfort.
4He
comforts us whenever we suffer. That is why whenever other people
suffer, we are able to comfort them by using the same comfort we have
received from God.
5Because Christ suffered so much for us, we can receive so much comfort from him.
6Besides,
if we suffer, it brings you comfort and salvation. If we are comforted,
we can effectively comfort you when you endure the same sufferings that
we endure.
7We have confidence in you. We know that as you share our sufferings, you also share our comfort.

8Brothers
and sisters, we don't want you to be ignorant about the suffering we
experienced in the province of Asia. It was so extreme that it was
beyond our ability to endure. We even wondered if we could go on living.

9In
fact, we still feel as if we're under a death sentence. But we suffered
so that we would stop trusting ourselves and learn to trust God, who
brings the dead back to life.
10He
has rescued us from a terrible death, and he will rescue us in the
future. We are confident that he will continue to rescue us,
11since
you are also joining to help us when you pray for us. Then many people
will thank God for the favor he will show us because many people prayed
for us.


Psalm 50

14Bring [your] thanks to God as a sacrifice, and keep your vows to the Most High.

15Call on me in times of trouble. I will rescue you, and you will honor me."


Philippians 2:13 Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
For it is God who is working in you, enabling you both to desire and to work out His good purpose.




<< 1 Thessalonians 3 >>
English Revised Version


1 Wherefore when we could no longer forbear, we thought it good to be left behind at Athens alone;
2 and sent
Timothy, our brother and God's minister in the gospel of Christ, to
establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith;
3 that no man be moved by these afflictions; for yourselves know that hereunto we are appointed.
4 For
verily, when we were with you, we told you beforehand that we are to
suffer affliction; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
5 For this
cause I also, when I could no longer forbear, sent that I might know
your faith, lest by any means the tempter had tempted you, and our
labour should be in vain.
6 But when
Timothy came even now unto us from you, and brought us glad tidings of
your faith and love, and that ye have good remembrance of us always,
longing to see us, even as we also to see you;
7 for this cause, brethren, we were comforted over you in all our distress and affliction through your faith:
8 for now we live, if ye stand fast in the Lord


Proverbs 3

25Do not be afraid of sudden terror or of the destruction of wicked people when it comes.

26The LORD will be your confidence. He will keep your foot from getting caught.


God bless my brothers and sisters