Did Jesus inherit sinful flesh nature?

When the scriptures say Satan tempted Jesus does that mean he was actually tempted? If not, how is that temptation. Please explain.

Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

shepherdsword said:

When the scriptures say Satan tempted Jesus does that mean he was actually tempted? If not, how is that temptation. Please explain.

Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

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Because Jesus was always obedient to God's word, death and sin had no sovereignty on him.

soberxp said:

Because Jesus was always obedient to God's word, death and sin had no sovereignty on him.

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You didn't answer the question. You misunderstood the assignment. How can one be tempted with something he doesn't really want? If he has no desire for it then that's not temptation.

shepherdsword said:

When the scriptures say Satan tempted Jesus does that mean he was actually tempted? If not, how is that temptation. Please explain.

Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

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It just means Jesus had the option and the ability to disobey God if He had chosen to... He could have chosen to sin just like we could choose to sin.

But, Jesus obviously rejected all satan's efforts to get Him to disobey God which is why Heb 4:15 says Jesus was tempted and yet He never sinned.

Temptation is like what the devil did with Adam and Eve... the devil presents an alternative point of view that is in opposition to what the Lord says in hopes that people will agree with him and in doing do they are disobeying the Lord.

shepherdsword said:

You didn't answer the question. You misunderstood the assignment. How can one be tempted with something he doesn't really want? If he has no desire for it then that's not temptation.

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Jesus had to endure being presented with opportunities to sin... and be steadfast in His decision to always obey the Lord.

Of course Jesus never wanted to sin... but that didn't stop the devil from trying to get Him to sin.

We should all be following Jesus' example when we are presented with opportunity to sin and do what Jesus did...

2 Corinthians 10:5
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

shepherdsword said:

You misunderstood the assignment

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Nobody is required to obey your "assignments"

But you can ask questions if you'd like... just don't get all upset if they don't answer your question

Dan Clarkston said:

Nobody is required to obey your "assignments" View attachment 60604

But you can ask questions if you'd like... just don't get all upset if they don't answer your question

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Who's upset? I am just pointing out that his answer totally avoided the actual question. And answering that IS required if we are to continue to have a meaningful conversation.

Jesus had to endure being presented with opportunities to sin... and be steadfast in His decision to always obey the Lord.

Of course Jesus never wanted to sin... but that didn't stop the devil from trying to get Him to sin.

We should all be following Jesus' example when we are presented with opportunity to sin and do what Jesus did...

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I suggest you google "temptation" you seem to misunderstand what it means.

shepherdsword said:

answering that IS required

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Well good luck forcing people to bow down and submit to your goofy "assignments"

Someone seems to be thinking more highly of themselves than they ought.

shepherdsword said:

I suggest you google "temptation" you seem to misunderstand what it means.

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"Google" doesn't have the Holy Ghost nor is it God's inspired Word.

I'll stick with God's Word regardless of whether you like it or not seeing you are the one with comprehension issues

Feel free to gaslight others all you want... that tactic does not work on me.

Dan Clarkston said:

Well good luck forcing people to bow down and submit to your goofy "assignments" View attachment 60614

Someone seems to be thinking more highly of themselves than they ought.

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I am simply saying that for a meaningful dialogue to take place questions have to be properly answered. I am just as required to answer his questions as he is mine. If not, how can a conversation continue? Stop making judgemental accusations that show your lack of maturity.

Dan Clarkston said:

"Google" doesn't have the Holy Ghost nor is it God's inspired Word.

I'll stick with God's Word regardless of whether you like it or not seeing you are the one with comprehension issues

Feel free to gaslight others all you want... that tactic does not work on me. View attachment 60616

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The problem is...you DON'T stick with God's word. Instead,you interject some notion you have dreamed up that actually contradicts the word. If you stuck to the word you would have to see that Jesus WAS tempted, yet He never sinned.

Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

That's what the bible says

shepherdsword said:

Stop making judgemental accusations that show your lack of maturity.

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You started it!

shepherdsword said:

The problem is...you DON'T stick with God's word.

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That's what the demons continue to claim... but they lied!

shepherdsword said:

Jesus WAS tempted, yet He never sinned.

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That's what I was saying... Jesus had opportunity to sin (tempted) and he decided to NOT sin.

Some folk got a problem with reading comprehension
They don't know it cause... they can't understand what they are reading!

Dan Clarkston said:

Some folk got a problem with reading comprehension View attachment 60620
They don't know it cause... they can't understand what they are reading!

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That's the best example of projection that I have seen in a while. OHHHH The IRONY.....

Greetings again Don Clarkston,

Dan Clarkston said:

Those peoples are actually speaking the twisted lies of the devil that claims Jesus was siting around desiring to do evil and desiring to engage in sinful behavior.

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This is typical of your theme and your false accusation against those who claim Jesus had the lusts of the flesh and that he never yielded to them and he never sinned.

One of the problems with forums is that we gain some impression of a person's religious background and environment, and some of this is evident from some of their posts. I could be wrong here, but I can guess that you are either Pentecostal or extreme Holy Spirit Baptist or Evangelical. My impression is that you seem to claim to need almost total reliance on the Holy Spirit within, and do not rely upon hearing the Word of God expounded by faithful and careful scholars who have given their heart and mind to understand and meditate upon the Word of God. I am not sure if you have ever considered the difference between Luther and Muntzer.

Kind regards
Trevor

shepherdsword said:

You didn't answer the question. You misunderstood the assignment. How can one be tempted with something he doesn't really want? If he has no desire for it then that's not temptation.

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Satan saw hunger as an opportunity to try to tempted Jesus, but Jesus did not succumb to physical weakness, so as a human being, Who can resist the temptation of hunger without thinking about eating quickly? even managed to get food. But Jesus didn't do that. Jesus would be hungry just as us, but he resisted Satan's tricks.

Because Jesus was always obedient to God's word, temptation,death and sin had no sovereignty on him.

As Jesus himself said, people live not only by food, but by the word of God.

Is it good enough for the question?

Hobie said:

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Christ was out in the wilderness for 40 days, you try not eating for 4 days and see if a piece of bread is a temptation to eat. they were real temptations and Christ being fully man hungered, and yet did not use what we do not have.

Matthew 4:1-4
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

We see He is quoting from the OT...
Deuteronomy 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.

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Why are you quoting me? I'm the guy that said he was actually tempted. Stop reading that Ellen White nonsense...it's affecting your thinking.

Hobie said:

This was your question..."How can one be tempted with something he doesn't really want?"

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Who asks for bread and gives him a snake? LOL

shepherdsword said:

That's the best example of projection that I have seen in a while. OHHHH The IRONY.....

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I was saying... Jesus had opportunity to sin (tempted) and he decided to NOT sin.

You claim I said something different... those doing such are either liars are have reading comprehension issues OHHHH The IRONY.....

TrevorHL said:

This is typical of your theme and your false accusation against those who claim Jesus had the lusts of the flesh and that he never yielded to them and he never sinned.

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I never said Jesus gave in to the lusts of the flesh... I'm saying Jesus never accept the lusts of the flesh meaning he never had them in the first place.

Feel free to believe the lies of the devil that claim Jesus was desiring to do evil but just never acted on them.

I already showed you what Jesus said about lusting is a sin even without acting on the lust.

I'll stick with what the Lord says in His Word and you can stick with the lies the devil is whispering in your ear that you obviously enjoy having itching ears and all.

Enjoy the fruits of darkness coming your way...

TrevorHL said:

My impression is that you seem to claim to need almost total reliance on the Holy Spirit within, and do not rely upon hearing the Word of God expounded by faithful and careful scholars

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I went thru biblical studies 40+ years ago as a young believer and as I grew in my own relationship with the Lord, He began to show me how these so called "scholars" were actually cherry pickers who rejected the whole counsel of God and instead only believe a hand full of verses that seem fit their eisegesis they learned from false religious cults such as calvinism, luthernism and the catholic cult.

So you put your trust in your "scholars" who teach the wisdom of men as though it were the wisdom of God... and I'll stick with what Jesus said in His Word concerning the Holy Spirit!

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Romans 8:14 - For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

When the future gets here... we'll see who ends up where!

Greetings again Don Clarkston,

Dan Clarkston said:

I never said Jesus gave in to the lusts of the flesh... I'm saying Jesus never accept the lusts of the flesh meaning he never had them in the first place.
Feel free to believe the lies of the devil that claim Jesus was desiring to do evil but just never acted on them.
I already showed you what Jesus said about lusting is a sin even without acting on the lust.

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I reject your assessment. We can have the lusts and not sin if the lust does not conceive in our heart James 1:13-15.

Dan Clarkston said:

So you put your trust in your "scholars" who teach the wisdom of men as though it were the wisdom of God... and I'll stick with what Jesus said in His Word concerning the Holy Spirit!

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I am one of the two librarians for our meeting, but have a much larger personal library, both print and electronic. I enjoy the many and varied expositions and reference books, all contributing to a better understanding of the Truth of God's Word. I used to enjoy going to second hand book sales and bookshops. My Dad was a Salesman Distributor for Collins books. He specialised in School libraries. Do you have many reference books? or do you rely upon the Holy Spirit within?

Dan Clarkston said:

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

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I consider that Jesus was speaking about the Holy Spirit gifts that the Apostles were soon to receive and this included prophecy. I consider that these gifts are not possessed by believers today.

Kind regards
Trevor

So, the BS continues from both sides of the divide with little substance to back up their respective claims as to their "holiness," in the adorning eyes of those who worship their "religious" guru leaders.

Oh, how far have we all fallen?