What about Satan?

Origen · Apr 15, 2025

There are Christians who have reasons to believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary was without sin, remained a Virgin, is the Daughter, Spouse, and Mother of God, Co-Redemptrix, the Queen of Heaven, and so on. There are Christians who believe that the former are believing lies from Satan. I have a couple of questions for the latter:

Why would Satan speak about the Blessed Virgin Mary in such ways, when he hated Mary's Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would he hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world?

Furthermore, Satan wants to lead people away from God, and the Blessed Virgin Mary wants to help lead people to God, and thus, wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who the Blessed Virgin Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She has, and so on, and get people to believe that, and lead them away from God? Because for Satan to speak of the Blessed Virgin Mary in ways that honor Her and draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what he wants, don't you think?

Windmill Charge · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
Mother of God, Co-Redemptrix, the Queen of Heaven

Satan wants to lead people away from God,

And the worship, prayers to Mary etc do just that, what should be going to God is going to Mary.

Rockerduck · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
You'll find it difficult to meet someone who worships the Blessed Virgin Mary as a god though.

Catholic prayers to Mary are requests for Mary's intercession, meaning she is asked to pray to God on behalf of the person praying.

Mary is seen as a key figure in salvation history, having brought Jesus, the Son of God, into the world. Her prayers are considered powerful because of her closeness to God and her Son.

Common prayers to Mary include the Hail Mary, Memorare, and Salve Regina. These prayers often ask Mary to pray for our needs and intercede for us with God.

The concept of asking others, including saints and angels, to pray for us is a common practice in many Christian traditions, including Catholicism. Catholics believe that saints in Heaven can intercede for us before God, just as friends or family members can pray for us on earth.

Thefore, why would Satan want people to do the above, when he hated Mary's Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would he hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world?

Therefore, wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who the Blessed Virgin Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She has, and so on, and get people to believe that, and lead them away from God? Because for Satan to speak of the Blessed Virgin Mary in ways that honor Her and draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what he wants, don't you think?

You just described why Satan is using Mariology to detract from going straight to Jesus Christ. There is no possible way to short cut a prayer. Jesus is the mediator and Its Jesus Christ or nothing.

Rockerduck · Apr 16, 2025

Mary can't mediate in place of Jesus. Your long posts aren't read

Behold · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
Furthermore, Satan wants to lead people away from God, and the Blessed Virgin Mary wants to help lead people to God,

Its not NT teaching, that states that Mary "ascended to heaven, in a dead body".. or that "mary is perpetual virgin".. or that "mary is helping Jesus bring souls into heaven, as a mediatrix".

See all that?
That is "cult of Mary" teaching, that is not found in any bible.......and so, its to be denied and resisted and called out as heresy, because its all "man made" hyper-religious nonsense, that is created by the "cult of mary"., and thats just a very small sample of what this cult has created as THEIR theology, that is not found in any bible.

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Rockerduck said:
Mary can't mediate in place of Jesus. Your long posts aren't read

Jesus is our mediator....Praise God..

1 Timothy 2:5

King James Version

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Nancy · Apr 16, 2025

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
John 14:6

Mary is honored among women but she was a vessel used of God as we all are. Some used for the good and some not.
Plus, the bible explicitly states that Mary indeed did have children after given birth to Jesus. Joseph knew her not TILL AFTER giving birth to her FIRST begotten, not ONLY begotten son as Jesus is to God the Father.

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
Catholics agree.

I have a lovely Catholic friend...we agree on a lot of Gods word...but..not on everything..

We civilly agree to disagree..

Rockerduck · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
So, you've ruled out the possibility that your interpretations of certain scriptural verses could be mistaken?

Nancy is right. The KJV is the correct translation.

Nancy · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
So, you've ruled out the possibility that your interpretations of certain scriptural verses could be mistaken?

Looking at the plain meaning, I sure do not doubt it.

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
So, you've ruled out the possibility that your interpretations of certain scriptural verses could be mistaken?

That is a good point...thank you....I think we can all misinterpret scripture.....as we can see on this forum...lots of arguments over interpretation of scripture.

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
. So, how do your interpretation is right?

That is a good question..lol.

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Mary was a virgin ..as God couldn’t have used her womb to grow Jesus in..if she wasn’t.

She certainly imo wasn’t without sin....

Nancy · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
Look how many denominations sprouted off of the Catholic Church and they all claim "plain meaning". They can't all be right. So, how did you rule out the possibility that your interpretation of certain scriptural verses are wrong?

Has common sense flown the coop??

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Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
That's why I started this thread to have people use their God-given reason and I'm asking people: "Why would Satan speak about the Blessed Virgin Mary in such ways, when he hated Mary's Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would he hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world? Wouldn't it be more befitting of Satan to either downplay or deny Who the Blessed Virgin Mary is, what She's done and does, and the degree of influence that She has, and so on, and get people to believe that, and lead them away from God? Because for Satan to speak of the Blessed Virgin Mary in ways that honor Her and draws people to Her Son, and thus closer to God, is the exact opposite effect of what he wants, don't you think?"

Love it Brother...you are helping me to open up my mind...thank you.

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
I'm just asking my fellow Christians to use their God-given reason.

Catholics don't worship the Blessed Virgin Mary as a god, or above God. Catholics worship the one true God. Catholics acknowledge Jesus as the only Mediator between the Father and man for reasons given earlier.

And, for example, we call the Blessed Virgin Mary "Co-Redemptrix" because, for one reason out of many, without Her bringing Jesus into the world so that He can redeem, how would we have been redeemed?? It doesn't mean She did the act of redeeming, but She helped to make it happen. So, is it really a "heretical" and "satanical" title to give Her?? Some say so, but someone had to say it first though, and who would that have been? Why not Satan? He hated Mary's Son to the point of killing Him, and so how much more would he hate His Mother for bringing Him into the world? Therefore, could it not be that what the Catholic Church says about the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Truth, and Satan is the the cause of all the misrepresentation of Her?

Ritajanice said:
Has common sense flown the coop??

I never said that Brother...a staff member said it.

Rockerduck · Apr 16, 2025

God preserves His Word so to remain accurate. You can see in Jeremiah, God commanded a new scroll to be made, to keep the record straight. What God says is accurate. The dead sea scrolls proved the accuracy.

If God wanted us the worship Mary as a "Co-Redemptrix" He would have said so, or for Mary to be a mediator, God would have said so. Read what the KJV says, then read your translation. There are errors in the translations. Talk to @BibleHighlighter about it.

Psalms 12:6 -
The words of the Lord are pure words,
Like silver tried in a furnace of earth,
Purified seven times.

Matthew 5:18 - For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Jeremiah 36:1 - Now it came to pass in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, that this word came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: 2 “Take a scroll of a book and write on it all the words that I have spoken to you against Israel, against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spoke to you, from the days of Josiah even to this day.

Jeremiah 36:27-28- Now after the king had burned the scroll with the words which Baruch had written at the instruction of Jeremiah, the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah,“Take yet another scroll, and write on it all the former words that were in the first scroll which Jehoiakim the king of Judah has burned

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Nancy said:
Has common sense flown the coop??

This person said it.,not me.

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
I didnt mean to tag you lol

Glad we got that straight..lol.

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
It doesn't need to be said! It's SHOWN that She is by, for example, the very act of bringing the Redeemer into the world to redeem.

That’s true...she carried him in her womb...

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