What about Satan?

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
Catholics say Jesus is the Mediator for reasons given in a prior post! But you keep misrepesenting us. Do you not see the spiritual blindness Satan is causing? You keep proving my point.

If I’m understanding this correctly,Brother..you are saying that Mary brought the redeemer into the world..by giving birth to him...pretty simple to understand imo.

She gave birth to our redeemer...Praise God.

Behold · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
There's a lot that isn't stated in Scripture but said elsewhere.

Notice that you dont care if what the 'cult of mary" says or teaches, is not found in the Scriptures. @Magdala .

See, you are taught that "our church fathers" are "God's Authority", and our "church history" is the Truth, and "if very little of it, or none of it, is found in the NT, then that's not a problem as we only see the bible as secondary... something the "cult of Mary" does not accept as our Final Authority".

The only cult that can equal the Catholics rejection of NT Truth is : Calvinism.

So, let me show you how that works.

The NT defines the "cult of Mary" as .. "the Traditions OF MEN, have made the word of God, of no effect".

And what cult has more "Traditions of Men" then the "cult of Mary"?

A.) None.

Also, how to you feel about the fact that the current Pope has decided to let Homosexuals into the Priesthood'??

Imagine how exciting its going to be for very young Alter Boys in about 10 yrs, when thousands of 'New" Priests found worldwide with "Homosexual urges" are helping them out....

What is that? Thats a Devil owned and operated = religious factory that is creating Homosexuals.

Do you think that "Pope's decision" is backed up by the "Scripturess'?

So welcome to more of the demonic "man made traditions" of the "cult of Mary". @Magdala

Behold · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
And that is one of the reasons that make her a CO-redeemer.

Mary had to be forgiven ALL her sin, just like you.

The only way that Mary could be SINLESS, is if she was created, not by a human but by GOD.
See, if your father is human, then He is from Adam, and so that makes him "adamic", and you also, @Magdala .

So, for Mary to be "sinless", she would have to be born from SINLESS GOD, exactly like Jesus, or she's from a human father and mother and they are from Adam's linage, and that make them born in sin, = as was Mary their Child.

Once again, we see a nutbar teaching......created by MEN.......complete religious fantasy.....and its not found in any bible.

Ritajanice · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
And that is one of the reasons that make her a CO-redeemer. Why do we call fellow employees CO-workers? Because we work WITH them to accomplish a task. Mary worked with Her Son to bring help accomplish the redemption to mankind.

That’s interesting to know...thank you....

Behold · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
Do you willfully ignore that there's a lot of truths not explicitely stated in Scripture and is found elsewhere?

The word of God, is the Final Truth, regarding "Christianity".......It was here before Peter, and it'll be here after this latest "gay " loving Pope is no longer breathing.

See,.... the BIBLE and not man made "Cult of Mary" theology, is how God "dictates" His Truth to His CHRISTians, first and foremost.
So, when you find a cult that presumes that its "historical membership" and its particular theology is and has the final say regarding final truth and authority, then you've discovered a demonic religious system that esteems itself ABOVE the word of God.

= Welcome to the "cult of Mary". and Welcome to Calvinism.. and JW, and Mormonism.

Some of the devil's finest creations, along with ISLAM.

Behold · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
We were talking about Her title "Co-redeemer" and then you changed the subject when I said the following:

Behold · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
We were talking about Her title "Co-redeemer" and then you changed the subject when I said the following:

Nancy · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
We were talking about Her title "Co-redeemer" and then you changed the subject when I said the following:

"And that is one of the reasons that make her a CO-redeemer. Why do we call fellow employees CO-workers? Because we work WITH them to accomplish a task. Mary worked with Her Son to bring help accomplish the redemption to mankind." Can you reasonably say that isn't so??

Answer that before we move on to why She was without sin.

Well then shouldn't His Apostles all be co-redeemers?? Should not every living person (Christian) who witnesses to the lost be c0-redeemers??

Mary needed a savior just like you and I.

LUKE 1:46-47
"46 And Mary said, “My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord, 47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior."

Rockerduck · Apr 16, 2025

Joseph Smith and Maria Valtorta are in the same place.

Rockerduck · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
Not even close. You should read A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work.

Same place for 2 false phophets.

Rockerduck · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
That doesn't mean anything coming from someone who hasn't even investigated her. Others have though, such as archaeologists, geographers, mathematicians, astronomists, meteorologists, and so on, and their conclusions lend credence to her writings having a supernatural origin.

Joseph Smith does not.

Only to Catholic archaeologists, geographers, mathematicians, astronomists, meteorologists, and so on.

Galatians 1:8-9 - But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

Rockerduck · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
tiYou should thoroughly investigate rather than make assumptions.

The Apostle Paul in the 1st century of Christianity said those are to be accursed if they preach another gospel. What more should I investigate? Its Jesus and His Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Glorification. Nothing else,

Rockerduck · Apr 16, 2025

Magdala said:
Maria Valtorta doesn't teach another Gospel, which you'd know if you...thoroughly investigated her.

She added parts that cannot be proven.

Windmill Charge · Apr 17, 2025

Magdala said:
You'll find it difficult to meet someone who worships the Blessed Virgin Mary as a god though

Basic answer is always, talk to a Hindus, or a Buddhist or a Muslim and ask them how they view your practices with Mary and the Saints.
The idolatry of the church as Islam spread was always one of the challenges Islam made to Christians.

Nancy · Apr 17, 2025

Magdala said:
Yes, they should and are, at least by those who recognize them to be so. So, why get so up in arms about Mary being called a Co-redeemer?

Because you also call her co-redemptrix. You put her on the same level of Jesus. She did not die for us, only sinless Jesus died for our redemption. You also think she was a perpetual virgin when the plain reading of scripture states otherwise.
These subjects have been spoken about so many times on here, and go nowhere so, I graciously pull out of this thread.
God bless.

Ritajanice · Apr 17, 2025

@Magdala ..do you put Mary on the same level as Jesus?

I thought I would ask you, before I assumed that you did..thanks.

Do you also believe that she was a perpetual virgin ?

The perpetual virginity of Mary is a Christian doctrine that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was a virgin "before, during and after" the birth of Christ

Nancy · Apr 17, 2025

Magdala said:
Do you know why fellow employees are called "CO-workers"? It's because they work together to accomplish a task. The Blessed Virgin Mary was obedient to God's will and brought the Redeemer into the world in the first place, and helped Him to accomplish His mission of dying for mankind, underwent suffering Herself in Her own way as foretold by Simeon, for suffering is redemptive.

You have seen me say in this thread that Jesus is the one who died on the cross, yet you continue to mispresent me. That is the spiritual blindness Satan is causing, the very topic of this thread.

You know how many other denominations claim "The plain reading of Scripture states blah blah blah?" They can't all be right. You think ALL translators are without error too? If not, how do you know the translation you read isn't without error?

How do YOU know your translation is the correct one? Your priests, the Pope and extra-biblical writings.

"Do you know why fellow employees are called "CO-workers"? It's because they work together to accomplish a task. The Blessed Virgin Mary was obedient to God's will and brought the Redeemer into the world in the first place, and helped Him to accomplish His mission of dying for mankind, underwent suffering Herself in Her own way as foretold by Simeon, for suffering is redemptive."

Abraham and Moses were also obedient to God's will and they were the ones who "helped" usher in the Messiah. Isaac was the son of the seed of Jesus so, I suppose he too was a co-redeemer and what Christian has not suffered for Jesus sake??

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Are these not counted as CO-"workers" too?

Ritajanice · Apr 17, 2025

Magdala said:
Thank you for asking what I believe rather than, like others have, assume it and then continue to misrepresent me after I objected to the assumption made.

The word “co,” or the prefix “co-” in English can imply equality, and so that’s why it sounds that way. The prefix “co-” comes from the Latin preposition cum, and cum does not necessarily mean “equal.” It can just mean “with,” and that’s the sense that’s in play when the Blessed Virgin Mary is under discussion with respect to the Redeemer. So She’s not equal to Jesus, but She is a woman who cooperates with the Redeemer. She cooperates with God’s plan and Her son’s role in it.

So She, for example, when the angel Gabriel appears to Her, She agrees to become the Mother of the Messiah, the Redeemer, and thus—you know, She’s even told “He will save his people from their sins”—and so She willingly cooperates with the Redeemer, and in that sense she could be described as someone who works with the Redeemer in a unique way, by being his Mother, and you could legitimately use the title for Her in that sense. She also underwent suffering in a different way, as Simeon foretold.

You could also use it for other other people in other senses. All Christians who are doing their job as Christians are cooperating with the Redeemer in one way or another by living a Christian life and setting an example for other people and evangelizing them and telling them about Jesus and doing corporal and spiritual works of mercy. Also, by offering up our own sufferings to God for others, no matter how great, will always be little compared to Jesus's, can be done so for others as well, because all suffering can be redemptive.

All of those things, we cooperate with the Redeemer and his plan. So there’s a sense in which all of us are co-redeemers in this little bitty way.

And so if that’s all you mean, is: “works with the Redeemer in some way,” well then you can use this language regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary, and even with other people.

Yes and those who do have reasons for saying that.

Ok, thanks for explaining....you believe what you believe and for reasons that belong to you...

Don’t you believe that Mary had other children and was intimate with Joseph, after the birth of Jesus?

If you don’t believe that, can you post scripture to support that Mary was forever virgin...thank you.

Ritajanice · Apr 17, 2025

Ok, that will take a while to fully read and research, thanks for posting...looks a very interesting read.

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