For what reason was Jesus to be called the Son of God?
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Unfortunately, it wasn’t something we could agree on. Would someone like to suggest an explanation for why we weren’t to agree that “I” is a singular personal pronoun and means only one person?
The Word was an immortal and incorporeal spirit in Heaven, and then He became incarnate as a mortal and corporeal human (Jesus), so that He could die a physical death (Matt. 20:28, Lk. 1:31, Jn. 1:14;6:38;10:15). Then, He brought His lifeless Body back to life by His own power (Jn. 10:17) because He's God, and only God gives and takes away life (Deut. 32:39, Jn. 5:21).
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Aunty Jane
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Please show me where it says that Jesus raised himself from the dead…..?
Acts 2:30-36…after the holy spirit was poured out on the faithful in Jerusalem, as Jesus had promised, Peter said to the Jews concerning King David..….
”Therefore, being a prophet and knowing that God had sworn an oath to him to seat on his throne one of the fruit of his loins, 31 he foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he neither was abandoned to the realm of death nor did his flesh see decay. 32 This Jesus God raised to life; of which we are all of us witnesses. 33 So, being raised on high by God’s right hand and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this which you both see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, but he himself says ‘The Lord said to my lord “Sit at my right hand 35 till I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’ 36 So let all the house of Israel know positively that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” (BLE)
Aunty Jane
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That scripture in a little more context….
“For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” (John 10:17-18 ESV)
The authority to take up his life again comes from his God and Father, who resurrected him.
Precisely, because only God gives and takes away life (Deut. 32:39, Jn. 5:21). And, God is one and triune: the Father (the Thought), the Son (the Word), and the Holy Spirit, each distinct, united as one because They are the same Essence: love (1 Jn. 4:8). He Who Is has the title "the Father" because of the Son and vice versa, because the Generator from Himself generated Himself (Jn. 1:14;6:38;20:21, Lk. 1:35).
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Aunty Jane
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I am sure that somehow makes sense to you but not to me. I am not a trinitarian, though I grew up in a trinitarian church. But I studied the Bible rather than “theology” and discovered so many lies taught in my church as truth. Then discovered that basically all of Christendom believes these same lies.
Why call themselves ”Father and son” if this is not their relationship? Doesn’t a father logically have to exist before his son? Wouldn’t any clear thinking human understand this relationship? Isn’t that what “begotten” means? The son had a begetter….who naturally existed before him.
“The Generator generated himself”
…..what???….where will I find that written anywhere?God’s ‘firstborn“ son is one of many “sons of God“ as the Bible says.…but he is “the firstborn of ALL creation” according to Paul. (Col 1:15) The first intelligent being to be created, making God a Father for the first time. (Rev 3:14)
This son is called “only begotten” (monogenes) which simply means an only child……he is unique or one of a kind…so in what way is this son “unique” or “one of a kind”? He is the only direct creation of his Father……as all other creation came from the Father, “through” the son. ( Col 1:15-17 John 1:2-3) Father and son worked on creation together….the “us” and “our” in Gen 1:26.…..using the power of God’s spirit to accomplishe it all….the same holy spirit that empowered the man Jesus Christ to perform miracles after his baptism.
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