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Rockerduck said:

Charles Stanley was off on his understanding of this verse. Because it refers to one who is enduring as a worker for Christ, but feeling like God is not there, during that time in his life.

2 Timothy 2:13 - If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

I believe politics of the liberal media got to Dr. Stanley, because he didn't start that way. Obama began the accepting of the LGBQ movement. I'm just guessing of course. So why would a conservative Preacher all of a sudden become accommodating to homosexuals?

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I have no idea why he did that either. It's an awful shame.

Behold said:

Romans 4:8 and 2 Corn 5:19 is for you.
If you read the verses, then believe them, as Paul's doctrine is not a myth.

God does not charge SIN to the born again believer.. because JESUS has died as our "sin bearer" = "God hath made Jesus, to be sin for us.".

Why does God not charge the born again with sin?

1.) The Cross of Christ

2.) "where there is no law, there is no SIN (Transgression) " found or charged... and the Born again "are not under the Law, but under Grace".

Reader, God does not charge anyone with sin.
The Law does..
And in eternity, the person who ends up in Hell does not go there for a lifetime of sinning.. they go there becasue they Rejected God's "imputed righteousness" so they died UNRIGHTEOUS = and that is not allowed in HEAVEN< but it fills up Hell, more and more.

This does not mean you will be perfect, in behavior....it means that God only sees you as "sinless", forever, because there is no LAW that can define you ever again as a sinner, and The Cross of Christ has forgiven all your sin.

The born again Christian" is "NOT under the Law, but under Grace"..

"CHRIST is the END of the LAW, for Righteousness"........to everyone who BELIEVEs". = is born again.

So, Christians dont have a sin issue they have a lack of understanding what Christ's Cross has accomplished for them..

This is never taught on Forums, so that is why, im on them all, if possible. As Christians are in bondaged to self effort to try to stay saved, and that is not "Christianity" that is "fallen from Grace".

And once the born again get the understanding of who they have become "In Christ"" as "ONE with God".. then that revelation is this..

"As many as be Perfect' ... Paul teaches.,,,,,,,,,and you have arrived into your real Discipleship.

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Behold, thank you for the verses. I accept them as well as all of the scriptures. What I am saying is very simple- do not twist my words please.
The Spirit convicts me when I sin or just before I do by reminding me not to.. I still remember the very first day that happened to me in my life..
The Spirit would not convict me of sin needlessly! My response in the Spirit to the conviction is to agree with the Spirit that I was wrong and to thank Him for showing me, and ask to be pardoned knowing that I will be in Jesus blood. I know I am not condemned! condemnation and conviction are not the same.
You tell me Behold- what if any response do you have when the Holy Spirit points out your sin? NONE? Because if that does not happen to you then I question whether Christ is in you. That is the test, right?
Will you say it never happens because you are sinless?

PS95 said:

Baloney! Read James 5

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If you will post the verse from Jm 5 that you are talking about, i will be happy to respond.

PS95 said:

Behold why one earth do you only accept Paul's writings?

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The reason that all Christians are to learn Paul's Doctrine, is because all Church Doctrine came from Paul.
Including "The Gospel".
Paul told us...>>"be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ"......and that means....learn Paul's Doctrine, study Paul's Discipleship, and pursue your Ministry according to How Paul's existed both literally and spiritually.

See, Jesus called Paul to be the "Apostle to the Gentiles"...."in the Time of the Gentiles".
No other Apostle is this one.
And right now, and starting with The Cross of Christ......we are IN = the "time of the Gentiles'.. so, we go to PAUL as He is our Apostle.
This is why Jesus gave Paul the Gospel and the Church Doctrine.
This is why Paul wrote most of the NT Epistles.

PS95 said:

What about Jesus' own words in the gospels

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Jesus came to the Jews......not to the Gentiles.
Jesus spent 3.5 yrs of Ministry dealing with the "House of Israel".
Jesus came to the "house of Israel", not to the gentiles or to the Body of Christ as there was no "Christianity" when Jesus was Alive,, = Pre-Cross.
He died on THE CROSS so that It would begin. as the CROSS Birthed Christianity.
So, the remaining apostles... heard Jesus say.. (before He went back to Glory)....."I have much to tell you, but you are NOT able to receive it".
Later, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and Paul with all of that information..
Its "Paul's Doctrine".

PS95 said:

and the other apostles/

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The other Apostles met Paul in Acts 15, and learned from Paul

Peter probably had the most to learn, and was the least able to get the doctrine, quickly.
For example......in Acts 10, that is 10 years after Jesus is back in Heaven...>Peter still does not know that "Gentiles could be saved" and yet, He was IN "the time of the Gentiles" for a decade, and had no idea.
After Acts 15, Peter was caught up, thanks to Paul.

PS95 said:

I have no idea why he did that either. It's an awful shame.

Behold, thank you for the verses. I accept them as well as all of the scriptures. What I am saying is very simple- do not twist my words please.

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I only reply to what you actually post.

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The Spirit convicts me when I sin or just before I do by reminding me not to..

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Christians are "convicted" by the Holy Spirit that is in them, even before their lust is taking over their mind.

So, if the Christian has committed a work of the flesh, then that is after they thought about it, first.

Lets say a Christian, has NETFLIX.
So, that's a bad idea, as this network is porn and violence and paganism, and all types of witchcraft, as the "new series".
So, the Holy Spirit would know this and advise the conscience in a Born again Believer, ".. that is not what you need to be doing".

So, right there.......what will they choose to do? Watch it, or not?

And that is almost always what happens, before a Chrisitan does something that is CARNAL.
They get a warning shot., as the Holy Spirit who is inside you, never sleeps.

PS95 said:

ask to be pardoned knowing that I will be in Jesus blood.

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Are you born again, or just water baptized and believe you are saved? ?

So, if you are born again then All your sin, is forever found here..

A.) "God hath made JESUS>.. to BE SIN.......for us".......= Christ is our SIN Bearer who died for all our sin.

AA.) "Jesus is the ONE TIME......ETERNAL SACRIFICE.......for sin"...

See that word eternal? and phrase "ONE TIME".. ???
That is how long you are forgiven all your sin....because Jesus is the "one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

PS95 said:

You tell me Behold- what if any response do you have when the Holy Spirit points out your sin? NONE?

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Jesus has my sin.
He died on the Cross with it 2000 yrs ago.
He took the Law away, so that the Law can't define any Christian as a sinner.
What all Born again Christians have is : "Christ's Righteousness"......because we are become "THE Righteousness of God, in Christ".

Notice.
There is no Sin found in Christ.
There is no sin found in God.
There is no sin found in HEAVEN

A.) All the born again are "IN Christ".. as "ONE with God"... and are all "seated in heavenly places"... where there is no sin found.

Behold said:

If you will post the verse from Jm 5 that you are talking about, i will be happy to respond.



The reason that all Christians are to learn Paul's Doctrine, is because all Church Doctrine came from Paul.
Including "The Gospel".
Paul told us...>>"be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ"......and that means....learn Paul's Doctrine, study Paul's Discipleship, and pursue your Ministry according to How Paul's existed both literally and spiritually.

See, Jesus called Paul to be the "Apostle to the Gentiles"...."in the Time of the Gentiles".
No other Apostle is this one.
And right now, and starting with The Cross of Christ......we are IN = the "time of the Gentiles'.. so, we go to PAUL as He is our Apostle.
This is why Jesus gave Paul the Gospel and the Church Doctrine.
This is why Paul wrote most of the NT Epistles.



Jesus came to the Jews......not to the Gentiles.
Jesus spent 3.5 yrs of Ministry dealing with the "House of Israel".
Jesus came to the "house of Israel", not to the gentiles or to the Body of Christ as there was no "Christianity" when Jesus was Alive,, = Pre-Cross.
He died on THE CROSS so that It would begin. as the CROSS Birthed Christianity.
So, the remaining apostles... heard Jesus say.. (before He went back to Glory)....."I have much to tell you, but you are NOT able to receive it".
Later, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and Paul with all of that information..
Its "Paul's Doctrine".



The other Apostles met Paul in Acts 15, and learned from Paul

Peter probably had the most to learn, and was the least able to get the doctrine, quickly.
For example......in Acts 10, that is 10 years after Jesus is back in Heaven...>Peter still does not know that "Gentiles could be saved" and yet, He was IN "the time of the Gentiles" for a decade, and had no idea.
After Acts 15, Peter was caught up, thanks to Paul.

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The epistles of the other apostles were written much later. What you seem to be doing is dividing the body into Jew and Gentile when Jesus's death tore that curtain and made us both one. You've got Jewish believers confessing sins to one another in James and Gentiles never doing so. Jesus asked Peter to feed his sheep. Going by you only Jewish believers are Jesus' sheep then. I don't recall Paul ever saying we are Jesus' sheep. If Gentiles re not Jesus' sheep them we have a real problem don't we-- Indeed Gentiles are Jesus' other sheep.
Peter gives us wonderful teachings as well as James and Jude etc. I don't understand your thinking at all.
We are called to be ONE body in Christ. Stop dividing us by I belong to Paul...not Peter. Stop that.

1Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called, 2with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love, 3being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

PS95 said:

The epistles of the other apostles were written much later. What you seem to be doing is dividing the body into Jew and Gentile when Jesus's death tore that curtain and made us both one.

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Jesus didnt die during His earthly ministry to the Jew.
He died when it was over, to birth the NT Church, that started the "time of the Gentiles".

Paul was called by Jesus after Jesus was back in Heaven to be the "apostle to the Gentiles".
This is very important to understand, as Jesus had the other Apostles already, but He didnt choose any of them....He called Paul, only.

= Paul, and no other apostle....."is the Apostle to the Gentiles'.. "in the time of the Gentiles'.
We are in it.

The "Gospel" is "Paul's Gospel.

PS95 said:

You've got Jewish believers confessing sins to one another in James and Gentiles never doing so.

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Post that verse, where Jews are confessing to other Jewish Christians.


And notice... in Galatians.. you have Paul correcting Peter in public because : "he walked not uprightly according to the Truth".

So, when we read a NT, we have to look at the verses. = "in light of the Cross", as this is the basis for "rightly dividing" the word of God as found in a NT.
This means........are the verses meant for the Body of Christ, ???? or are they talking to Jews or unbelievers ???? or who, exactly, and why?
ARe the verse talking to Christians, or are the verses talking to unbelieving Hebrews.??.

Do this...
Every verse you read in a NT......notice if it was given before The Cross of Christ was raised or not.
If its before the Cross then its generally given to the Jews.
If its after, then....notice if the apostle or (Luke) is talking to Christians, or if they are talking to Jews, or to unbelievers.

PS95 said:

Jesus asked Peter to feed his sheep.

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And Peter did, but he had to learn some correct Theology, same as all the other Apostles.
By the end of Peter's life... in 2nd Peter.....He had Paul's letters, and said they were "SCRIPTURE">. equal to the Torah.
Later, these "letters" of Paul's became the NT Church Doctrine, that Peter was learning, also while he had Paul's letters.

PS95 said:

Going by you only Jewish believers are Jesus' sheep then.

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Jesus came to the House of Israel and told them the " Kingdom" was at Hand.......do you want it?? This if you do, im your Messiah.
They said....>"NO">
So, that ended that.
He then went to the Cross, and birthed the NT Church with His Blood and Death, and this "body of Christ" is mostly Gentiles.
Now, once the "time of the Gentiles" ends.........then The TRIB starts, and God resumes His dealing with the Jew.

PS95 said:

I don't recall Paul ever saying we are Jesus' sheep.

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Paul said the born again..are the "body of Christ"., so that's more specific.
Paul is the Apostle who said that all Chrisitans are "Saints". "Brethren".. "In Christ".. "one with God"..."heirs of God".. "joint heirs with Jesus, and "the temple of the Holy Spirit"
(Thats all Paul's Doctrine) along with the "Gifts of the Spirit", and "How to choose a Pastor" and so much more.

Behold said:

I only reply to what you actually post.




Christians are "convicted" by the Holy Spirit that is in them, even before their lust is taking over their mind.
So, if the Christian has committed a work of the flesh, then that is after they thought about it, first.

Lets say a Christian, has NETFLIX.
So, that's a bad idea, as this network is porn and violence and paganism, and all types of witchcraft, as the "new series".
So, the Holy Spirit would know this and advise the conscience in a Born again Believer, ".. that is not what you need to be doing".

So, right there.......what will they choose to do? Watch it, or not?

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That's my point. I don't have netflix because I have no interest in watching it. I probably would have it if I had not been born again.

Behold said:

And that is almost always what happens, before a Chrisitan does something that is CARNAL.
They get a warning shot., as the Holy Spirit who is inside you, never sleeps.

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I am speaking to simpler things like saying something unkind- sometimes I don't hear the warning. That's when I apologize. It's not abog deal to me. Apparently it is to you.

Behold said:

Are you born again, or just water baptized and believe you are saved? ?

So, if you are born again then All your sin, is forever found here..

A.) "God hath made JESUS>.. to BE SIN.......for us".......= Christ is our SIN Bearer who died for all our sin.

AA.) "Jesus is the ONE TIME......ETERNAL SACRIFICE.......for sin"...

See that word eternal? and phrase "ONE TIME".. ???
That is how long you are forgiven all your sin....because Jesus is the "one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

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Yes. Yet I have no trouble saying I'm sorry and thank you. I don't know why it bothers you.

Behold said:

Jesus has my sin.
He died on the Cross with it 2000 yrs ago.
He took the Law away, so that the Law can't define any Christian as a sinner.
What all Born again Christians have is : "Christ's Righteousness"......because we are become "THE Righteousness of God, in Christ".

Notice.
There is no Sin found in Christ.
There is no sin found in God.
There is no sin found in HEAVEN

A.) All the born again are "IN Christ".. as "ONE with God"... and are all "seated in heavenly places"... where there is no sin found.

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Except my flesh is still here and I have sorrow when I sin. Just as Paul had sorrow in heart about his flesh, calling himself wretched.. and he also was thankful for the grace of God. That's how I feel as well. I have no idea why that troubles you.

14For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

21I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. 22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, 23but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

PS95 said:

That's my point. I don't have netflix because I have no interest in watching it. I probably would have it if I had not been born again.

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Good.
I also dont have or use Netflix.
I have Cable, but i use it for News and Sports, and Cooking shows, and TNT Movies.

PS95 said:

I am speaking to simpler things like saying something unkind- sometimes I don't hear the warning. That's when I apologize. It's not abog deal to me. Apparently it is to you.

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Yes, the conviction of the Holy Spirit is a big deal........to me.

PS95 said:

Yes. Yet I have no trouble saying I'm sorry and thank you. I don't know why it bothers you.

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Can you explain?

PS95 said:

Except my flesh is still here and I have sorrow when I sin.

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Are you born again or just water baptizes and believe you are saved?

So, if you are born again, then Jesus has all your sin, and died for it all,.. its gone.... and you have some condemnation, that is not from God, according to your posts.

Notice: "There is now no condemnation to/for those who are IN Christ" = The Born Again Christian.

PS95 said:

Who will set me free from the body of this death? 25Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

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Notice that Paul was freed?

So, he's teaching that if you are trying to be good so that God will keep you, then you are "in the Flesh"
Whereas, if you are aware that you are always "made righteous", by the "imputed righteousness of Christ"' then you have learned where you exist and why in the KOG.......as born again, as a "new creation" in Christ.

See, Christianity is a 4 part situation.

First you are forgiven your Sin.

Then you are born again, having received "the Gift of Eternal Life".

Then you have to "work out your Salvation".... by learning what it means to exist as a "New Creation" in Christ..
This is the part where you get with Paul.

Then, once you have achieved the "right mind", your discipleship begins, as otherwise the believer is lost in opinions, and confusion, and wrong theology, and wrong believing, .....which is found in Hebrews 6:1, as the fruit of that type of confused Christianity.

Behold said:

Jesus didnt die during His earthly ministry to the Jew.
He died when it was over, to birth the NT Church, that started the "time of the Gentiles".

Paul was called by Jesus after Jesus was back in Heaven to be the "apostle to the Gentiles".
This is very important to understand, as Jesus had the other Apostles already, but He didnt choose any of them....He called Paul, only.

= Paul, and no other apostle....."is the Apostle to the Gentiles'.. "in the time of the Gentiles'.
We are in it.

The "Gospel" is "Paul's Gospel.

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I'm aware that Paul is apostle to the Gentiles. I just do not see that we can't also learn from the other apostles as well. Sometimes it helps to clarify things.

Behold said:

Post that verse, where Jews are confessing to other Jewish Christians.

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James 5:12But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath; but your yes is to be yes, and your no, no, so that you may not fall under judgment.

13Is anyone among you suffering? Then he must pray. Is anyone cheerful? He is to sing praises. 14Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him. 16Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. 17Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months. 18Then he prayed again, and the sky poured rain and the earth produced its fruit.

19My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, 20let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Behold said:

And notice... in Galatians.. you have Paul correcting Peter in public because : "he walked not uprightly according to the Truth".

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I know that. Peter's writings came after that though. His writings are beneficial to us too. Why would you disagree?

Behold said:

So, when we read a NT, we have to look at the verses. = "in light of the Cross", as this is the basis for "rightly dividing" the word of God as found in a NT.

This means........are the verses meant for the Body of Christ, ???? or are they talking to Jews or unbelievers ???? or who, exactly, and why?
the verse talking to Christians, or are the verses talking to unbelieving Hebrews.??.

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agree

Behold said:

Do this...
Every verse you read in a NT......notice if it was given before The Cross of Christ was raised or not.
If its before the Cross then its generally given to the Jews.
If its after, then....notice if the apostle or (Luke) is talking to Christians, or if they are talking to Jews, or to unbelievers.

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I agree to a degree. I will give this one some more thought. I think all of God's words are beneficial to us.

Behold said:

And Peter did, but he had to learn some correct Theology, same as all the other Apostles.
By the end of Peter's life... in 2nd Peter.....He had Paul's letters, and said they were "SCRIPTURE">. equal to the Torah.
Later, these "letters" of Paul's became the NT Church Doctrine, that Peter was learning, also while he had Paul's letters.

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Yes as are Peters' letters also scripture. Are you one of Jesus' sheep? Didn't Jesus tell Peter to feed His sheep?

Behold said:

Jesus came to the House of Israel and told them the " Kingdom" was at Hand.......do you want it?? This if you do, im your Messiah.
They said....>"NO">
So, that ended that.
He then went to the Cross, and birthed the NT Church with His Blood and Death, and this "body of Christ" is mostly Gentiles.
Now, once the "time of the Gentiles" ends.........then The TRIB starts, and God resumes His dealing with the Jew.



Paul said the born again..are the "body of Christ"., so that's more specific.
Paul is the Apostle who said that all Chrisitans are "Saints". "Brethren".. "In Christ".. "one with God"..."heirs of God".. "joint heirs with Jesus, and "the temple of the Holy Spirit"
(Thats all Paul's Doctrine) along with the "Gifts of the Spirit", and "How to choose a Pastor" and so much more.

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I agree with you Behold, but I don't see how any of this negates learning from the other apostles. We are all one in Christ.

PS95 said:

I'm aware that Paul is apostle to the Gentiles. I just do not see that we can't also learn from the other apostles as well. Sometimes it helps to clarify things.

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Paul does not teach that the other Apostles are a waste of Time.
He teaches that because Jesus gave Him the Gospel and "Church Doctrine" we have to come to Him for it.

PS95 said:

James 5:12But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath; but your yes is to be yes, and your no, no, so that you may not fall under judgment.

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"brethren" : is a term for a Christian, not a Jew.........in the NT.

PS95 said:

13Is anyone among you suffering? Then he must pray. Is anyone cheerful? He is to sing praises. 14Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church

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Notice that James is tallking to the "elders in the Church"......so that is a Local "body of Christ'.
Its Christians.., as unsaved Jews, can't be "elders" in a NT Church.......
Paul's epistles teach how to Choose the Pastors, Deacons.......ect.

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19My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,

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So again, "My Brethren"... that is a Christian who would stray from the "truth" as Jesus is THE TRUTH.......so, to stray from Him, would be to end up with dead faith as James teaches...., = as a backslider.......tho still a Christian.

PS95 said:

20let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

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Only a Christian is going to try to lead a lost sinner to Jesus.

PS95 said:

I know that. Peter's writings came after that though. His writings are beneficial to us too. Why would you disagree?

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I dont disagree.
I read all the epistles, but to learn CHURCH Doctrine, ...........is when you go to Paul's Epistles.

PS95 said:

I think all of God's words are beneficial to us.

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Of course......."All Scripture is given for instruction, reproof, doctrine, correction"......but not all of it, is all of that...

For example.......a Doctrine would be Paul's "Justification by Faith"..........whereas,.... "Take a little wine for your stomach Timothy"' is instruction, not doctrine.

PS95 said:

Yes as are Peters' letters also scripture.

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What i pointed out, is that 2000 yrs after Peter died, we have a NT..... that has His 2 Epistles in it.

But 2000 yrs ago, there was no NT.. and all Peter had was Paul's latest Leters that were passed from Local church to Local Church.
So, Peter is reading Paul's letters, and the Holy Spirit revealed to Peter that Paul's letters are "Scripture" = Equal to the Torah (The OT).

Consider that Paul was not of them..>>He was not with the origianl 12, who walked with Jesus., yet Paul's letters in Peter's hands are "Scripture"...

PS95 said:

Are you one of Jesus' sheep?

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I became a born again Christian long ago.

Netchaplain said:

Nobody lives without sinning,

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1.) No Christian is charged for carnal behaivor, works of the flesh or transgressions... because Jesus had paid for ALL our sin, with His Blood and Death.

Perhaps you've heard of the "Cross of Christ" and the "New Covenant" and the "Blood Atonement". ????????????

So when you read that..

= """God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, NOT COUNTING people's sins against them """""""

Then that is talking to the born again Christian.

2.) Romans 4:8 teaches the same, and explains that this is a BLESSING from God.

Now, the reason that God does not charge "sin" or "Transgressions" against the Born is is because, the LAW has been canceled by The Cross of Christ......so that it can't define a Christian as a sinner, ever again.

1.) "Christ is the...> END...OF.....>THE... LAW.<..for righteouenss, to/for everyone who BELIEVES.""

2.) The born again.. """are not under the LAW..........but under Grace"""..

3.) This means that all the born again, exist here".

A.) = "where there is no LAW.... there is no SIN (Transgression)" = found or charged.

Now Why is all of that REAL Christianity?

Its because...>"God hath made JESUS... to be SIN...for us"... as... "The ONE TIME.... ETERNAL.. Sacrifice for SIN".

Netchaplain said:

Living in sin manifests one has not been saved! Thanks for your comments.

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So once someone gets born again, it's not possible for them to sin?

You have sinned since getting born again, right?

Or did you become perfect in the literal since and have made zero errors since getting saved?

Some claim they have but they are lying which is a sin.

Netchaplain said:

Christians aren't charged with the guilt of sin!

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So you don't accept the whole counsel of God then.

It's mocking God to claim anybody does not reap what they sow, sowing to the flesh brings forth corruption (Gal 6:7,8)

If what you are saying is true then all the warnings in the New Testament about sinning are lies

You should get to know what God teaches in His Word, and soon!

Netchaplain said:

Nobody lives without sinning

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So you admit to being a sinner then?

What kind of sinful behavior do you enjoy engaging in?

Netchaplain said:

Hi! True, Christians aren't charged with the guilt of sin!

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Christians are not charged with sin, at all., as "God hath made Jesus to be sin.....for us".

Behold said:

Christians are not charged with sin, at all., as "God hath made Jesus to be sin.....for us".

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So you do admit that you believe a Christian can live in sin all they want... and God just doesn't apply sowing and reaping to them?

That is outright mocking God.

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.

If someone claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God. So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

Dan Clarkston said:

So you do admit that you believe a Christian can live in sin all they want...

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Its the Law that defines you as a sinner, and your works of the flesh, as sin.

So, Christ on the Cross has removed the Law from Christians.

Notice.

"Christ is the END..........OF........THE..........LAW.......for Righteousness, to everyone who BELIEVES" = all Christians.

So, this means that the Law can never again define a Christian as a sinner.

The Christian is "not under the LAW......but under Grace"..

Now, you can sfill do the same deeds, but the Law can't define you anymore as a Sinner.

This is why Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19, say : that GOD does not charge sin, to a Christian.

Paul teaches that the Christian is in a place of "Liberty"... free from the Law....

Now, if you decide to choose to commit carnal deeds.....then this will happen..

= You will "reap what you sow".......as this spiritual law, is not removed by Jesus's Sacrifice.....

So "sowing and reaping" will find you....if the Christian decided to enjoy carnality.......however the Law is gone, (regarding the Born again Christian.......and can never define any of that behavior as sin.

Now if you are not born again, then you are "under the Law" and it defines you as a SINNER............so, you need to Trust in Christ and Let God forgive you, and free you from the "dominion of the Law".

Behold said:

Now if you are not born again, then you are "under the Law" and it defines you as a SINNER............so, you need to Trust in Christ and Let God forgive you, and free you from the "dominion of the Law".

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And yet all you false doctrine peoples go around proudly proclaiming they are sinners who sin daily in thought word and deed. Weird.

Netchaplain said:

but we can live without willfully sinning

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So what do you tell the gay peoples claiming to be Christians who claim homosexuality is not a sin when God's Word clearly teaches it is sinful behavior?

Those holding to OSAS doctrine must agree that one can be gay and be a Christian which is what Charles Stanley taught who was considered to be the leading authority on eternal security doctrine.

Here's a video where you can hear him yourself tell a lady that her son is still saved and going to Heaven even though her son turned away from the Lord to be one of the funny peoples (just a few minutes into the video)