The devil's lie in Christian music
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DuckieLady
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I quoted you but I was speaking generally. That doesn't answer the question. Lots of assumptions.
Our relationship is pleasant, partly because it doesn't involve other people's interjections and unwarranted opinions.
Dash RipRock
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DuckieLady
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Dash RipRock
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Which is why I was saying earlier you should hit Mr Duck up for another bible study to help you understand that false doctrine is very real and is a major problem in these last days as God has warned in His Word.
Mr Duck can fill you in on all the details I'm sure.
Lambano
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It looks like the objection is NOT to Hillsong's music per se (which the third video admits is good and DOES glorify God); the objection is to the parent organizations. And looming in the background is the ongoing spitting contest between the Charismatics and the Reformed sects.
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Even though Hillsong is not perfect, there is nothing Biblically wrong about songs like "What a Wonderful Name it is" or "Worthy is The Lamb".
Both Hillsong and Bethel have made some wonderful worship songs that are both Biblically & spiritually sound, for Bethel "Goodness of God" and "No Longer Slaves" are brilliant songs, read the lyrics.
Behold
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Reader,
Let me show you how a immature carnal mind thinks, when they are lost deep inside their carnal religious mind..
"""""well, the preacher in that church has been discovered to have a situation that has caused Him to be dismissed, so that means that all the members in this Church are just as bad, because my little mind has to assume that the members are responsible for what the Minister tried to Hide"""" @Dash RipRock
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Concerning bethels music. I don’t think it’s the music that is the issue. I have a close friend who lives at bethel and is student there. My perspective is do their actions align with their words. It’s no different than most churches where we can sing songs all day, but do we practice what we preach? We could spend all day dissecting every denomination and find flaws in them all. Does money drive the motive? Does fame? Does the message come with hidden agenda. Does it deceive making one think they are righteous when it’s just more self-righteous mumbo-jumbo? It’s not just bethel….I had a step father who was drunk more often than not who slur-sang old gospel hymns, strumming his guitar. It’s not the songs…it’s what is behind the song that lends to the question of is this false?
One of the most profound songs I’ve heard. I don’t think it’s false teaching. It’s not pretty. But it tells a truth about being cutt-throat, a beating heart of stone. Knowing a little of the background the singer grew up Mormon. He has struggled with religion, I think. He has another song about fighting with himself, a younger and older version. Or maybe he is fighting with his father. His songs tell of a real struggle. Most theologians do not even recognize the difference in a beating heart of stone, the natural man who has to be so cold to make it in this world. Maybe i favor the song too much because the singer looks like my son-in-law who passed from an overdose. But I do think you are to quick to spout you are the authority on what’s behind a song. Maybe it’s genuine seeking. Maybe it’s brokenness. Maybe it vulnerability. Maybe it’s weakness. Maybe it’s not self righteousness but a call for help.
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Dash RipRock
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Yes, and pointing people to Hillsong is pointing them to false doctrine.
If the the followers of islam came out with a nice sounding song in english that said "god is great" would you spread their video around encouraging people to listen to it? If you would, then that is pointing people to false doctrine causing people to stumble.
If having no discernment and causing others to stumble is not a problem for you, then by all means carry on.
satan is crafty by using music that sounds nice but people that have no discernment don't understand that music is a lure being used to entice people to come on in the pool of false doctrine claiming the water is fine, it feels good, jump on in.
WHY would a self proclaiming "christan" band call themselves dragons???
Obviously they have been influenced by demons because those being led by the True Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ would not name their band after demons because we know the Lord would not tell anybody to name something after devils.
Behold
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If you were told to go to the Hillsong Church.....then that could be considered "pointing them to false doctrine". If this church is teachig any, FD.
I have no idea, as im not familar with their particuar theology...
This Thread is regarding Music, made by Contemp Christians.....so, i posted some.
But listening to a song....... by a Group......is nothing more and nothing less.
See, what we do is evaluate the lyrics.........as this is going to be the message......and the Message that is being presented by Those 2 Groups is that there is "no power like the Power of Jesus Name",...and that there is no Name as Beautiful as Jesus's Name.
So, what kind of self righteous religious fakir, is offended by this Lovely Truth?
= Stand up and be counted.
Now, if those Song's message is "offensive" to God and Christ, then you have a point.
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You missed the point. I didn’t say they are self proclaiming “Christan”. A self proclaiming Christian sounds like an oxymoron anyways.
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Ok. I’ll share another one. This one helped when I was going through a frightening health diagnoses.
If I remember correctly you even scold people for not believing we are promised physical healing. Regardless, whether a person is helped by a song where it reminds them they need spiritual healing. Or if it’s physical. You don’t get to decide what or where they hear it from. Whether it comes from an imperfect man with flaws. Just like most men followed like Luther or most theologians are flawed. Or some Pastor who says he doesn’t deserve grace. You seem to be saying you get to decide what is rotten and what is not. Are you all- knowing? I don’t like Bethel either. Not because of their songs but because it seems like more superficial empty promises. Yet, all churches have their flaws. But people within them may really be seeking or hurting. Don’t you think men who wrote some of the most inspirational Hymns had flaws behind closed doors. Don’t forget God used the most UNlikely throughout history to declare His Mercy
Another one. This is my daughters favorite. She said it helped her when she was fighting a drug addiction. She listened to it while we hadn’t seen her for years. All the things in her path reminded her of asking God for help.
Most likely the songs above came out of bethel…
Behold
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@Dash RipRock ...
See if you can relate to the Lyrics in the following "worship song"......Videos.
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See if you can relate to the Lyrics in the following "worship song"......Videos.
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To the pure all things are pure, but to the defiled, nothing is pure.
Much love!
Much love!
Behold
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And as i stated previously.......i have no idea what the Hillsong Church is doing,........and i dont care.......to be honest.
Whatever they are doing........is on them.........and whatever you and i are doing.....is before God.....and its on us.
If you dont feel that you have been serving the Lord as you should.....then start now.....and make Jesus happy.
See, Discipleship is really just Making God and Jesus happy with our lives...
So simple.....but you have to do it....and you have to mean it.
Now........ here are the lyrics to that 2nd Hillsong Video ........so, If you saw it........its the young guy Guitarist with all that long hair......."uh oh"..
Somebody get a bible verse and hit him in the face with it..
But wait until he's finished Praising Jesus, in that Live concert in England.....if you dont mind.
So, anyway.... i love these lyrics.......and He wrote them.......yeah.. Mr Long Hair..
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There's a name that levels mountains
It carves out highways through the sea
And I've seen its power unravel battles
Right in front of me ..
Oh, there's a faith that stands defiant
It sends Goliath to his knees
And I've seen as praise unravelled shackles
Right off my feet
'Cause that's the power of Your Name
And just a mention makes a way
Giants fall and strongholds break
And there is healing
And that's the power that I claim
It's the same that rolled the grave
And there's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus
(No power like the Name
Oh, there's a hope that calls out courage
And in the furnace unafraid
The kind of daring expectation
That every prayer I make
Is on an empty grave
And that's the power of Your Name
Just a mention makes a way
Giants fall and strongholds break
And there is healing
That's the power that I claim
It's the same that rolled the grave
And there's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus
There's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus
'Cause I see You taking ground
Oh, I see You press ahead
And Your power is dangerous to the enemy's camp
You still do miracles
You will do what You said
For You're the same God now as You've always been
Your Spirit breaking out
Your kingdom moving in
Your victory claims the ground that the enemy had
You still do miracles
And You will do what You said
For You're the same God now as You've always been
And that's the power of Your Name
Just a mention makes a way
Giants fall and strongholds break
And there is healing
Oh, that's the power that I claim
It's the same that rolled the grave
And there's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus
There's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus
Whatever they are doing........is on them.........and whatever you and i are doing.....is before God.....and its on us.
If you dont feel that you have been serving the Lord as you should.....then start now.....and make Jesus happy.
See, Discipleship is really just Making God and Jesus happy with our lives...
So simple.....but you have to do it....and you have to mean it.
Now........ here are the lyrics to that 2nd Hillsong Video ........so, If you saw it........its the young guy Guitarist with all that long hair......."uh oh"..
Somebody get a bible verse and hit him in the face with it..
But wait until he's finished Praising Jesus, in that Live concert in England.....if you dont mind.
So, anyway.... i love these lyrics.......and He wrote them.......yeah.. Mr Long Hair..
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There's a name that levels mountains
It carves out highways through the sea
And I've seen its power unravel battles
Right in front of me ..
Oh, there's a faith that stands defiant
It sends Goliath to his knees
And I've seen as praise unravelled shackles
Right off my feet
'Cause that's the power of Your Name
And just a mention makes a way
Giants fall and strongholds break
And there is healing
And that's the power that I claim
It's the same that rolled the grave
And there's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus
(No power like the Name
Oh, there's a hope that calls out courage
And in the furnace unafraid
The kind of daring expectation
That every prayer I make
Is on an empty grave
And that's the power of Your Name
Just a mention makes a way
Giants fall and strongholds break
And there is healing
That's the power that I claim
It's the same that rolled the grave
And there's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus
There's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus
'Cause I see You taking ground
Oh, I see You press ahead
And Your power is dangerous to the enemy's camp
You still do miracles
You will do what You said
For You're the same God now as You've always been
Your Spirit breaking out
Your kingdom moving in
Your victory claims the ground that the enemy had
You still do miracles
And You will do what You said
For You're the same God now as You've always been
And that's the power of Your Name
Just a mention makes a way
Giants fall and strongholds break
And there is healing
Oh, that's the power that I claim
It's the same that rolled the grave
And there's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus
There's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus
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Lambano
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In 1971, a Cat named Stevens had a big hit with the hymn, “Morning Has Broken”. It’s a beautiful hymn that was written back in 1931, and is #145 in our hymnals. Mr. Stevens later became a Muslim and changed his name to Yusuf Islam. Should we have “Morning Has Broken” removed from our hymnals because somebody might admire Mr. Islam’s cover and decide to convert to Islam?
Lambano
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Why are we so obsessed with controlling what other people believe?
Not sure, it seems some are more interested in what's wrong with another Christian believer's doctrine difference than how Christian singers, musicians and bands can use Christian music to reach the lost and help people get through tough times. Christian music can be a pretty powerful tool God can use in people's lives, especially when the lyrics speak life.
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