Uncovering the Devil's Strategy

[Behold]

The argument is that if Paul had not achieved perfection than neither can we.

Paul teaches that "as many as be perfect"..........

"BE perfect'........as in "ARE perfect".

What is that?

Its this.. Paul teaches.........>"Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one MIND".

See that "one mind".

That is.....one Mind of understanding regarding Paul's Doctrine for the Church, and when you have it you have "worked out your salvation"....and you are this........."as many as be perfect".

See, the stumbling stone for Christians is that they are trying to DO Their Salvation, carnally......by working at it.....vs, coming into the perfert revelation knowledge regarding who they have become "IN CHRIST".. as a '"new Creation".

Very few Christians understand they that are made righteous before God on the day they are born again, and this can't ever change, because its God's "Gift of righteousness" that caused it and maintaines it.

See. when the Christian has perfect knowledge regarding (Paul's Doctrine).., they are perfected.....and this perfection is what stabalizes and maintaine their daily discipleship.

 

[Episkopos]

Paul teaches that "as many as be perfect"..........

"BE perfect'........as in "ARE perfect".

What is that?

Its this.. Paul teaches.........>"Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one MIND".

See that "one mind".

That is.....one Mind of understanding regarding Paul's Doctrine for the Church, and when you have it you have "worked out your salvation"....and you are this........."as many as be perfect".

See, the stumbling stone for Christians is that they are trying to DO Their Salvation, carnally......by working at it.....vs, coming into the perfert revelation knowledge regarding who they have become "IN CHRIST".. as a '"new Creation".

Gnosticism 101. And you are doing what you say others are doing....you worked out your own salvation...but with hubris and narcissism.

Very few Christians understand they that are made righteous before God on the day they are born again, and this can't ever change, because its God's "Gift of righteousness" that caused it and maintaines it.

False. We are not superior to the Jews who failed in the wilderness. We also fail....and more surprisingly so...since we are ignoring the warnings even as we think the Israelites failed God. Narcissism leads people to think they are better humans than those who are written for our example as warnings.

See. when the Christian has perfect knowledge regarding (Paul's Doctrine).., they are perfected.....and this perfection is what stabalizes and maintaine their daily discipleship.

False. Perfect knowledge is Gnosticism. We are not saved by perfect knowledge....but by resurrection power and life....FOR REAL. To walk as Jesus walked....not in the futility of a carnal mind become religious.

 

[Behold]

Gnosticism 101.

Real Gnosticism, .......the Kind that Valentinus = "the Father of Gnosticism" teaches.... says that there is no SIN.... so, there is no Need for Jesus on The Cross.

You teach that The Cross is not about FORGIVENESS of SIN.......so that is Gnosticism, trying to sound like something else.

Paul "preaches The Cross"....as the final solution for a Sinners SIN..........whereby it can all be forgiven..

What you teach has absolutely no association with this.....at all.

= ZERO.

And you are doing what you say others are doing....you worked out your own salvation...but with hubris and narcissism.

My Salvation is Jesus on The Cross, same as with any Real Born Again Christian.

Jesus IS Salvation........John 14:6

False. We are not superior to the Jews who failed in the wilderness.

The Jews in the Wilderness, didnt have the Holy Spirit in them, as you find Him inside ALL Christians, who are "the Temple of the Holy Spirit".... Also.. the Jews in the Wilderness.... didnt Have Paul's Doctrine for the Church showing them how to walk in the Spirit and "not fulfill the lusts of the flesh".

. We are not saved by perfect knowledge....but by resurrection power and life....

A sinner is "made righteous" by God......the instant they give God their Faith in Jesus (who has died for their sin), so THAT God can accept them, and keep them, and spiritually birth them into the KOG.

The born again Christian is become....>>"THE rightesousness of God.....in Christ"..

 

[Behold]

We are not saved by perfect knowledge...

Paul does not teach that you are "saved by perfect knowlege".. He teaches that when you have gained the knowledge of God, perfectly, regarding who the Christian has become "in Christ".... as a "new Creation".... then they have "worked out their salvation", and are become "one mind", = "As many as be perfect".

 

[Lizbeth]

The argument is that if Paul had not achieved perfection than neither can we.

Having put a lot of study in last night, on this passage which I have not looked at in depth, I can say now, that it is one of those that Peter said that Paul is not always easy to understand.

St. John Chrysostom in his Homilies on Philippians 111, explains that 'He is saying that it is not possible to gain Christ, unless I suffered this loss', not that I have suffered this loss so that I can gain Christ in the future. Not that it is the suffering that counts, but to class it as dung.

We see that he had already gained the power of the resurrection, being conformed to His death, and that resurrection I consider it to meant in the way we say we have Christ born in us.

In this manner I understand him to be talking about the resurrection of the dead to be when Christ has been crucified in us when we fall from the first love of him when we begin to compromise with sin after that first flush of coming to Him.

Christ is therefore resurrected within us, from the dead, when we respond to the Holy Spirit's 'pricks' and repent. This repentance is always the start of revival and is very deep indeed when we are illumined by the Holy Spirit as to the extent of the depth of our iniquity in holding the truth in unrighteousness as we served in the flesh and not the Spirit, bringing the world to scoff at our high and mighty claims to 'be holy as He is holy' in our sinfulness of which we are blinded.


Our old man is to be crucified, dead and buried, not put to sleep as it were. Destroyed. But that means he can be resurrected though but if dead he is completely out of action and can remain so only by faith.

I do not agree with the idea that Paul was writing before he was perfect though the wording has been misinterpreted in this way.

I am still studying this passage and will get back with some more.

I believe that scripture is kind of speaking in spirit on two levels at once, as it were, though I just don't know how to explain or show this succinctly. Paul only said he didn't "consider" or "count" that he had attained, so I believe that part wasn't a statement of actuality...but only of reckoning...... and that as many as be perfect should be of that same humble mind as he.....because even for those who are "perfect" in the spiritual sense their race still wasn't over and neither he nor they were yet perfect in the other sense of their bodies being redeemed.

Even though "perfect" in the spiritual sense, they needed to be like Paul and keep reaching for what lies ahead and not consider/count/reckon that they had "arrived"....because in another sense they hadn't yet arrived and wouldn't arrive until after their race was over.....nobody is crowned until their race is over. That's how I read it.