Do we walk with God as sinners?

mailmandan · Jun 8, 2025

Big Boy Johnson said:
And yet Jesus said in John 15 that He is the Vine, the Father owns the vine and those on the vine that do not produce fruit are cut off of the vine. Weird.

Some people think Jesus did not know what He was talking about as they stand in opposition to what Jesus said claiming nobody is ever cut off the vine. (Those on the vine got their by being born again)

In John 15:2-6, the branches that bear fruit and remain are genuine believers (like the remaining 11 disciples). The self-attached branches that bear no fruit and do not remain are not genuine believers (like Judas Iscariot). In John 15:2, Jesus mentions branches that bear no fruit and branches that bear fruit but Jesus says nothing about branches that bear fruit but then later stop bearing fruit.

As Greek scholar AT Robertson points out that there are two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). Probably (Bernard) Jesus here refers to Judas.

John 15 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

When Jesus spoke these words in John 15, how many people at that time, prior to Him being glorified, had received the Holy Spirit and were baptized by one Spirit into one body? - "the body of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 12:13) -- NONE.

John 7:38 - He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

So "in me" is part of the metaphor of the vine (in the vine) and not in the body of Christ under the new covenant which was not yet fully established. Without that vital union with Christ, there can be no spiritual life and no productivity. Those who profess to know Christ but whose relationship to Him is self-attached, Christ neither saved them, nor sustains them. Eventually, the dead self-attached fruitless branches are cut off.

The Greek word for “abide” is "meno" which means to remain, tarry, not to depart, continue to be present. Abiding in Christ is not a special level of Christian experience that is only available to a few, elite Christians, but is the position of all true believers. 1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

mailmandan · Jun 9, 2025

Big Boy Johnson said:
James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Apparently one is justified by faith AND by works.... and the man that believes justification is by faith only is a "vain" man.

In what sense are we justified by faith?
In what sense are we justified by works?

The Greek word for justified "dikaioo":

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

You obviously don't understand what James means by 'faith only." Read what James said in context starting with verse 14. I already thoroughly explained all of this to you in post #98 and you had no rebuttal.

James 2:24 is a major stumbling block for people who teach salvation by works/works righteousness. I see that it's a major stumbling block for you which explains a lot!

Now let's see a proper response from you to my post #98. You can start by harmonizing James 2:14-24 with Romans 4:2-6. I'll be waiting.

mailmandan · Wednesday at 7:03 AM

Big Boy Johnson said:
Apparently one is justified by faith AND by works.... and the man that believes justification is by faith only is a "vain" man.

mailmandan said:
In what sense are we justified by faith?
In what sense are we justified by works?

Now let's see a proper response from you to my post #98. You can start by harmonizing James 2:14-24 with Romans 4:2-6. I'll be waiting.

Big Boy Johnson · Friday at 12:48 AM

mailmandan · Friday at 6:40 AM

Big Boy Johnson said:
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Just as I suspected. Your rebuttal (along with your works-based false gospel) is in the toilet.

Big Boy Johnson · Friday at 10:30 AM

mailmandan said:
Just as I suspected. Your rebuttal (along with your works-based false gospel) is in the toilet.

You got it bass ackards as always.

You are toilet guy!

mailmandan · Friday at 11:11 AM

Big Boy Johnson said:
You got it bass ackards as always.

You are toilet guy!

We are saved by grace, through faith FIRST then created in Christ Jesus unto good works.(Ephesians 2:8-10) You have the tail wagging the dog. The cart before the horse.

Big Boy Johnson · Friday at 11:20 AM

mailmandan said:
We are saved by grace, through faith FIRST then created in Christ Jesus unto good works.(Ephesians 2:8-10) You have the tail wagging the dog. The cart before the horse.

And receiving the gift of salvation to get saved by grace thru faith is a good work

I'll be they didn't teach you that at False Doctrine School did they! :funlaugh2

Behold · Friday at 11:32 AM

Big Boy Johnson said:
And receiving the gift of salvation to get saved by grace thru faith is a good work

Salvation is a Gift........ Paul teaches us that this is a "FREE Gift", in Romans 5

So, if you are working to receive it, or working to keep it, you have not understood God's """ Free Gift """of Salvation".

Big Boy Johnson · Friday at 11:37 AM

Behold said:
Salvation is a Gift........ Paul teaches us that this is a "FREE Gift", in Romans 5

So, if you are working to receive it, or working to keep it, you have not understood God's """ Free Gift """of Salvation".

So your claim is man does not need to confess Jesus as Lord and get born again?
Meaning man does not have to believe the Gospel? No need to turn from darkness and sin unto the Lord?

You doing that calvinism thing again claiming God just manically saves some people whether they want to be saved or not, whether they believe the Gospel or not and then God turns around and prevents all others from being saved because He decided He wants them to burn in hell even before they were ever born?

Behold · Friday at 11:40 AM

Big Boy Johnson said:
So your claim is man does not need to confess Jesus as Lord and get born again?

Do you ever post anything as a reponse that is connected to the discussion?

So, Romans 10 says we are supposed to "confess with our mouth, after we have BELIEVED in our HEART"... (Faith).

Big Boy Johnson · Friday at 11:49 AM

Behold said:
So, Romans 10 says we are supposed to "confess with our mouth, after we have BELIEVED in our HEART"... (Faith).

Yes, that is a good work that we are to do by the power of the Holy Spirit in order to receive the free gift of salvation.

This shows that faith without works is dead as the Lord taught thru the Apostle James.

Have you ever taken a gander at the Book of James? You should scope it out man, it's way cool and it's the Word of the Lord!

mailmandan · Friday at 11:52 AM

Big Boy Johnson said:
And receiving the gift of salvation to get saved by grace thru faith is a good work

I'll be they didn't teach you that at False Doctrine School did they!

So, you rewrite Ephesians 2:8,9 to say saved by grace through faith AND works and to you faith is just another good work in a series of good works in a quest to obtain salvation by good works. That is a complete distortion of Ephesians 2:8-10. Talk about false doctrine. Whatever gives you a reason to boast in SELF.

As for me: Galatians 6:14 - God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

Behold · Friday at 11:53 AM

Big Boy Johnson said:
Yes, that is a good work that we are to do by the power of the Holy Spirit in order to receive the free gift of salvation.

Confessing is not Faith......and Faith is not confessing.

Faith is in the Heart......and only God sees it, as its invisible, inside you.

Later, as a disciple, you are to "present your body as a living sacrifice to God, as your reasonable SERVICE".

So, we see that FAITH........in the Heart......= God will accept to accept us., and now being accepted, and born again.... we are to give God our Service, that is our discipleship.

Big Boy Johnson · Friday at 12:00 PM

mailmandan said:
saved by grace through faith AND works and to you faith is just another good work

Feel free to consider what the Lord said thru the Apostle James to be lies all you want, it's not a problem for me but will be for you.

Behold said:
Confessing is not Faith......and Faith is not confessing.

Those that have no faith don't confess

One turned from their sin and confesses Jesus as their Lord because they have faith and because they believe

Behold · Friday at 12:02 PM

Big Boy Johnson said:
Those that have no faith don't confess

Sure they do.

They'll confess they are a Christian, and yet they are nothing more then water baptized, religious, and lost, while they post verses and argue on a Forum like this one.

Big Boy Johnson · Friday at 12:05 PM

Behold said:
They'll confess they are a Christian, and yet they are nothing more then water baptized, religious, and lost.

Well I certainly hope you can get yourself straightened out

Behold · Friday at 12:07 PM

Big Boy Johnson said:
Well I certainly hope you can get yourself straightened out

Why dont you pray about that? As i could use the prayer, and you could use the practice...

Also... while you're there..

@Big Boy Johnson ...........You posted that you are "Free from Sin"......

So, i asked you 3x now..... why you confess sin, if you are "Free from Sin".

Do you want to answer again?? So you want me to ask you a few more times ??? @Big Boy Johnson

Big Boy Johnson · Friday at 12:10 PM

I've been cleansed of all unrighteousness and I'm free from sin.

Feel free to wallah around in sin if you'd like, I'll remain free from it.

It's obvious that you are a cherry picker who does not accept everything the Lord says, and that's too bad for you.

Romans 8:1-4
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Behold · Friday at 12:12 PM

Big Boy Johnson said:
I've been cleansed of all unrighteousness and I'm free from sin.

You posted that you are "Free from Sin"......

So, i asked you 5X why you confess sin, if you are "Free from Sin".

Do you want to answer, or do you want me to ask you a few more times ??? @Big Boy Johnson

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