The Church decided the canon. How do you know you have the correct canon?

One 2 question said:

I'm not sure I'm following what you're saying here.

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If you cannot believe what God has already given, how can you be Saved from your sins?

True or False?

Wick Stick said:

I can't just find something canonical. I don't have the authority of a church synod (yet... mwahahaha)

But I've moved from "not an inspired book" to "possibly an inspired book." I read it long ago, and I skimmed through the book for this conversation, but I probably need to read it more fully.

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I found the reasons why some animals were unclean was very interesting in chapter 10

David in NJ said:

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Why did you post this quote of Paul's? Haven't you received anything from the Spirit of Truth directly, personally?

I can't understand why those who say they fully accept the God of Abraham, fully accept God's Son Who He sent, won't fully accept Their Spirit Who They sent.

It seems people would rather seek second hand truths, that is, God's words through other humans like Moses, Isaiah, Peter or Paul than to access God's words directly from the SPIRIT OF TRUTH.

Ronald Nolette said:

Sorry, but nature doesn't tell one that they have to trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus for their sins. Paul became an apostle and confirmed as such by the church. And sorry you will have to show some empirical evidence that some people have had the gospel preached to them without the Scriptures or aid of a believer. That just does not happen.

\Almighty God spreads the gospel through believers sharing His Word.

As is written in romans "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

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Absolutely, Peter who was added to the church preached about Jesus Christ and the Word of God which was given to Him from His Father. The Spirit of God miraculously took the words of God and caused them to be understood in their own language. Thousands in a day were convicted and believed as a result of the Spirit's work just as Jesus promised.

My emphasis will always be on the acts of the Spirit, the Sent One opposed to the efforts of humans.

Praise the Spirit for coming to each believer in Christ and convicting us of sin. Praise the Holy Spirit for opening the eyes of our understanding so we could see Christ the Lamb of God, and believe in our Savor. Praise the Spirit of Truth Who has been continuing to deliver the truths of God's to us through the historical recorded words of God and God's direct words to our spirit.

And I Praise my Father in heaven and my Eldest Brother for sending Their Holy Ghost to live in us to lead us directly into all truth that proceeds forever from the mouth of God.

David in NJ said:

If you cannot believe what God has already given, how can you be Saved from your sins?

True or False?

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The SPIRIT of God the Father and His Christ redeems a person. What means He uses is up to Him.

I appreciate that one who has a dream which the Spirit uses to convict them of their sinful state and reveals the Redeemer is likely to be led to the church in whom are teachers.

Likewise, evangelists who the same Spirit uses to preach the good news of Jesus Christ.

I agree with the Spirit in Paul, how beautiful are the feet of them that bring goods news.

shepherdsword said:

You know that there is no human DNA in the wafer. If there was, you would use it to prove it to others.
When Jesus said "eat my flesh" He was speaking symbolicly concerning His death on the cross for the sins of the world. It was that work of His that saved mankind. He wasn't telling people to have some cannibalistic feast on His natural body. When someone remarked "Can this man give us His flesh to eat" Jesus told His disciples that the flesh profits nothing. Now, I know it's hard for you to see the truth through all of the false teaching the RCC has programmed you with but think for a moment...would Jesus institute a ritual that is in actual violation of the Mosiac law? The law He came to fulfil? I am going to leave you with that.

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There is no need for DNA as Jesus told you that eat his flesh. He is very explicit. Everyone in that story knows what Jesus is saying. You either can't or won't listen. You can repeat that foolishness about DNA but you aren't challenging me. You don't get it do you? Why would Jesus say eat my flesh? He is very clear what his flesh is. Youre stubbornness is hilarious

1stCenturyLady said:

Yes, Rome was the first thing I thought of. But I thought of the Vatican. The two legs of iron are Rome and Byzantine Empire with the Roman Catholics and Orthodox church.

Yes, He rebuilds as the Author and Finisher of our faith. Unlike the Old Covenant of laws (the ministry of death) they had to keep with a sin nature, the New Covenant (the ministry of the Spirit) 2 Cor. 3, is produced in us by Jesus. He removes the sin unto death from our nature as told to us in Ezekiel 36. Look here:

33 ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. 34 The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. 35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’ 36 Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the Lord, have spoken it, and I will do it.”

I wonder if there will be an actual rebuilding of the temple, or if it is still symbolic of us being His handiwork and the places He will inhabit as we abide in Him and He in us.

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Here's the thing the temple has been rebuilt but people are only with human eyes. Matthew 16:18. It's already been done

David in NJ said:

Yes, it does.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

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Then explain how nature reveals that man is condemned and that Jesus came and died and rose again from the dead to save us.

One 2 question said:

Why did you post this quote of Paul's? Haven't you received anything from the Spirit of Truth directly, personally?

I can't understand why those who say they fully accept the God of Abraham, fully accept God's Son Who He sent, won't fully accept Their Spirit Who They sent.

It seems people would rather seek second hand truths, that is, God's words through other humans like Moses, Isaiah, Peter or Paul than to access God's words directly from the SPIRIT OF TRUTH.

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I do accept the Spirit so that is a moot point. And I also know the Holy spirit of god will not contradict teh Words called the bible that were inspired by god. anything "revelation" one receives that contradicts the written word is a lie!

Ronald Nolette said:

Then explain how nature reveals that man is condemned and that Jesus came and died and rose again from the dead to save us.

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#1 - Violence in nature, wild beasts tearing at flesh, and mankind warring against one another is the Dominance of SIN in Creation

#2 - Sun, Moon and Stars speak of the Glory of God, including Christ

#1 = For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.

#2 = Psalm 97:6 is just one of many
The heavens declare His righteousness,
And all the peoples see His glory.

nedsk said:

Here's the thing the temple has been rebuilt but people are only with human eyes. Matthew 16:18. It's already been done

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Yes, correct. We are His kingdom. But there are some supposedly in the Kingdom who have believed they are still sinners, even with the blood of Jesus cleansing us from ALL SIN. That means bit by bit Jesus writes laws on our hearts to perform naturally from a completely cleansed sin nature. No works (performing something against your nature). 1 John 3:21-24. As He continues to glorify us we take on more and more attributes of Jesus to be conformed to His image.

Ronald Nolette said:

I do accept the Spirit so that is a moot point. And I also know the Holy spirit of god will not contradict teh Words called the bible that were inspired by god. anything "revelation" one receives that contradicts the written word is a lie!

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Just a quick side question. If the Holy Spirit told you something contrary to Paul's words, not God's words, in the bible, which one will you accept, which would you reject?

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.

1Co 7:26 I suppose therefore that this is good.

David in NJ said:

Yes, it does.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

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I guess this is where the scriptures and the bibles fail us. For it is God by His Spirit Who make things clear to people. It isn't the bible as it only has extremely limited content, a very small percentage of truths contained in its pages.

We who have the Spirit of Truth in us have access to the full complete mind, expressed thoughts, words of God. This is awesome. We have the Divine Librarian Who has complete access to the full library of ALL TRUTH that is in God. And this library is ever expanding, as God Himself is continually revealing new truths through His Spirit.

One 2 question said:

It isn't the bible as it only has extremely limited content, a very small percentage of truths contained in its pages.
We who have the Spirit of Truth in us have access to the full complete mind, expressed thoughts, words of God.this library is ever expanding, as God Himself is continually revealing new truths through His Spirit.

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If a person is not willing to believe what God has Spoken and is written then how can a person be Saved?

1stCenturyLady said:

Yes, correct. We are His kingdom. But there are some supposedly in the Kingdom who have believed they are still sinners, even with the blood of Jesus cleansing us from ALL SIN. That means bit by bit Jesus writes laws on our hearts to perform naturally from a completely cleansed sin nature. No works (performing something against your nature). 1 John 3:21-24. As He continues to glorify us we take on more and more attributes of Jesus to be conformed to His image.

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Works are necessary but not sufficient. Same with faith. Faith alone is useless.

James 2:19
Does their belief save them?

nedsk said:

Works are necessary but not sufficient. Same with faith. Faith alone is useless.

James 2:19
Does there belief save them?

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I think it depends on your definition of works and faith.

1stCenturyLady said:

I think it depends on your definition of works and faith.

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I don't think so. Scripture is quite clear on this matter.

James 2: 26

"For just as the body is dead without a spirit, so faith without works is dead."

I'm not sure where there could be a question that faith is not sufficient for salvation.

David in NJ said:

If you cannot believe what God has already given, how can you be Saved from your sins?

True or False?

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This is an ironic question coming from you

nedsk said:

This is an ironic question coming from you

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it would be ironic if i were in disobedience to "It is written"

#1 - Always remember that satan is the accuser of the brethren so you must first know the Truth before you judge someone.

#2 - We are not to judge anyone, but we are called to know the TRUTH and to test/judge everything we hear by the TRUTH

#3 - It is God who justifies = Romans

However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly,
his faith is credited as righteousness.

How ironic is it that the one who seeks "works" attempts to judge the one who seeks righteousness thru Faith

David in NJ said:

it would be ironic if i were in disobedience to "It is written"

#1 - Always remember that satan is the accuser of the brethren so you must first know the Truth before you judge someone.

#2 - We are not to judge anyone, but we are called to know the TRUTH and to test/judge everything we hear by the TRUTH

#3 - It is God who justifies = Romans

However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.

How ironic is it that the one who seeks "works" attempts to judge the one who seeks righteousness thru Faith

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I don't seek works works are necessary but not sufficient. This has been shown to you from Scripture not me but your heart is far from God while your mouth prattles on with idle chatter.

"Thus, you can see his(Abraham) faith and his works were active together; his faith was brought to completion by works". James 2: 22

If faith was sufficient it wouldn't need completion by works.

David in NJ said:

#1 - Violence in nature, wild beasts tearing at flesh, and mankind warring against one another is the Dominance of SIN in Creation

#2 - Sun, Moon and Stars speak of the Glory of God, including Christ

#1 = For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.

#2 = Psalm 97:6 is just one of many
The heavens declare His righteousness,
And all the peoples see His glory.

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But they do not declare the gospel! They declare there is a God and He is powerful. But violence in nature does not reveal man is a sinner. It just reveals violence.

Sorry but there is nothing in Creation that declares the gospel other than believers! That is how Jesus set it up!

One 2 question said:

Just a quick side question. If the Holy Spirit told you something contrary to Paul's words, not God's words, in the bible, which one will you accept, which would you reject?

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.

1Co 7:26 I suppose therefore that this is good.

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If what I heard ran contrary to what isa written for the church, I would reject it as teh Holy Spirit speaking and recognize it is a demon posing as an angel of light! God will never contradictg His Word.

Paul gave his own opinion but concluded with gods command:

25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.

26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.

27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;

30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;

31 And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.