Corinth – Transformed by the Word

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Good evening young people and thank you for inviting me to speak on such a relevant subject as the one we will be discussing this evening.

The city of Corinth in which Paul spent at least 18 months establishing their Ecclesia is one of the most significant records we have of early Christian life. If fact we are told more about this Ecclesia and its cultural background than any other ecclesia in the Bible?

Why is that I ask? Why Corinth? And its not until we look deeply into their society and see the influence of Greek and Roman culture with all its trappings, that we begin to understand why God revealed to us such intricate detail concerning their challenges and way of life. The first letter is just short in length to the book of Romans but when you add the two letters together with the detail in the book of the Acts of the apostles, clearly it’s the largest record of any ecclesia in Asia Minor.

I believe the Corinthian culture and the circumstances surrounding this ecclesia were very unique, in fact, extremely unique, so much so, their problems were not like other Ecclesial challenges relevant to their time.

(Forum members: I hope in this study to explore both Corinth and the Ecclesia at Corinth.. I would value any contribution along the way. )

With your patience we will look briefly at Corinth, its history and then move into some of their challenges – which have become our challenges some 2000 years later.

Wealth, Entertainment & Immorality

1. Location & Business
2. Isthmian Games
3. Religion/Immorality

We will look at Corinth's commercial advantage and how this contributed to its unique culture. We will look briefly at its strong sporting history and finally consider together an immoral society where promiscuous practices were woven into the very fabric of false religious worship and how this so terribly affected the Corinthian Ecclesia and its members.

I only ask that you take this time evening to consider “your life” here in 2013, set against what which was Corinth AD50; consider your Ecclesia and the family you belong too and the pressures this society today is having on our sincere praise and worship of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing is as it seems and what is seen is not real and lasting and that which is coming cannot be seen today but is real and will be seen soon.

1 Corinthians 2:7 we speak the wisdom of God, hidden in a mystery, that God determined before the ages for our glory. 2:8 None of the rulers of this age understood it. If they had known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 2:9 But just as it is written, “Things that no eye has seen, or ear heard, or mind imagined, are the things God has prepared for those who love him.” 2:10 God has revealed these to us by the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

My hope for all of you is the Word of God find a place to rest in each of you and with it you search even the deep things of God for without His Spirit Word you will find Corinth's wealth, sporting greats and a life of sexual immorality which all leads to death.

So lets go searching shall we?

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Corinth was the centre of commerce and the centre of Sport in the then known world. It was known as the go to place for sexual immorality in all Rome.

You will notice in the below map how Corinth was in the centre of the then known world.

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Corinth was surrounded by:

Achaea is Greece
Jerusalem
Egypt
Syria
Italy
Rome
Africa

It’s geographic location was the reason for its great success in trade, it was so accessible it made it very easy to distribute commodities throughout the Roman world.

There was Old Corinth and New Corinth

Old Corinth was established about 1000 BC and it quickly became a very influential province and reached its full potential between 200 – 300 BC. (height of power)

They say it was 5 times bigger than Athens the capital of the province.

At that time the Roman empire gave the Greek cities and states autonomy; they gave them autonomy to rule and defend themselves for a variety of reasons. One such reason was due to the piracy which happened on their open seas and the Romans being Romans didn’t want to deal with this type of problem so they gave them the power to rule and defend themselves. It wasn’t until the strength of the Achaean league that Rome came down to decimate Corinth and they did. They levelled it to the ground and killed all the men and women and children where sold into slavery and for about 100 years the city ceased to exist kind of like Jerusalem after the Romans siege it only the very poor dwelt their.

It wasn’t until Julius Ceaser saw the opportunity because of the city location which could not be ignored and as a result he re-founded Corinth.

It was this New City that Paul came too in his ministry.

The city was only about 100 years old when Paul arrived.

The population exploded because the location was some of the best real-estate in all Rome.

Facts concerning Corinth:

  • The location was perfect for trade
  • Governed the North/South land route
  • Controlled the East/West maritime route
  • Incredible wealth and prosperity
  • The duty and tolls paid on trade resulted in huge revenue
  • Olive oil, pottery and wine were major exports
  • Profitable marketplace (Agora) offering world-wide goods
  • People moved to “New Corinth” to get rich
  • The “gold rush” of the ancient Roman world
  • Population grew from 90,000 in 400BC to 750,000 in Paul’s day
  • Mostly populated by Roman freedmen and Jews


[SIZE=12pt]Geographically perfect location for trade[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Governed the North/South land route[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Controlled the East/West maritime route[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Can you see the main land Greece was[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] only connected to Isthmus of Corinth to southern Greece and they controlled the trade routes between these land masses. So you can see Corinth controlled both land and sea in all directions. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]So you all can imagine how much wealth was generated through this little stretch of land connecting to seas and northern and southern Greece. Word of this would have spread far and wide and many seeking to do trade would have move here to create wealth – entrepreneurial opportunists likened to the Gold rushes of our 1800’s [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Consider the olive oil[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], wine and the Corinthian pottery! All major exports into the world.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Olympus to Athens you must go through Corinth! [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]In Pauls days they would carry small boats across the 4 mile stretch of land where today they have made a canal[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]And by cart[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]A short-cut designed to spare ships from coping with the windswept and dangerous route around Cape [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Maleae[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]•Carried small boats[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]•Off-loaded and transported cargo from large ships[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]A canal allows ships to pass. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]4 miles wide[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Cape [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Maleae[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] extremely dangerous due. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]And when we had sailed over the sea of Cilicia and [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Pamphylia[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], we came to Myra, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]a city[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] of Lycia. (Act 27:5)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The ship advanced slowly from point to point up along the coast, the captain availing himself of temporary land breezes and of the steady westward current that runs along the coast. The sailors took advantage of every opportunity to make some distance, however small. This means that sometimes they would need to lie at anchor in the shelter of the winding coast, when the westerly wind made progress impossible.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Sale from [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Ceaseare[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] to Rome. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past, Paul admonished [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]them,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](Act 27:9)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]And when the south wind blew softly, supposing that they had obtained [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]their[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] purpose, loosing [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]thence,[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] they sailed close by Crete. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](Act 27:13)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]But not long after there arose against it a tempestuous wind, called [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Euroclydon[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](Act 27:14)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]And when the ship was caught, and could not bear up into the wind, we let [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]her[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] drive. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](Act 27:15)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]But when the fourteenth night was come, as we were driven up and down in [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Adria[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], about midnight the shipmen deemed that they drew near to some country; [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](Act 27:27)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Slaves coming through Corinth would be forced to lift up their ships and roll them across 4 miles of land. :blink:[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]One [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]of Four National Festivals Similar to the Olympic Games Traditional foot races, wrestling, boxing, javelin, discuss, etc. Also included additional events Horse races, chariot races, sailing regattas Music, singing, poetry and drama competitions. Competitors included men, women and children[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Hugely Popular held in the Spring twice as often as the Olympics 500 year history when Paul arrived Isthmian Truce provided peace during the games [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Drew multitudes of competitors and spectators[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Wars arranged a truce and guaranteed safe passage. At the games they believe people used tents to live in while the games were on – no villages have ever been found! [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]They all camped out. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Paul and Priscilla and Aquila where tents makers – which makes sense and he could preach the Gospel to people who would take up their services. It is believed they could have had a store at the Agora offering their services.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Interesting Paul choose an occupation where he could mix with lots of people preach the Gospel![/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt](I Corinthians 9:24-27)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.” [/SIZE]
 

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Nice thread Purity! :)

[SIZE=12pt]"No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]What translation is that and where is the "Like" button? :lol: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]RSV ~ "But I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."[/SIZE]
 

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daq said:
Nice thread Purity! :)

[SIZE=12pt]"No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]What translation is that and where is the "Like" button? :lol: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]RSV ~ "But I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."[/SIZE]
Thanks Daq

Paul was ‘gladly spent’ for a man like this. 2 Cor 12:15. Examine this mans face for a while and consider how many men and woman like this were preached to by Paul....and converted!

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  • [SIZE=12pt]A troubled individual [/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=12pt]Man unknown[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=12pt]Found in a gymnasium in Delos[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=12pt]Notice his uncertain mouth?[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=12pt]It was such men as these who Paul offered a saving Gospel[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=12pt]Unhappy eyes – doubts and anxieties?[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=12pt]Slightly upward glance into a void[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=12pt]Notice his brow?[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=12pt]Slack cheeks?[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=12pt]Was there a deep sense of loss and emptiness?[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=12pt]This man faces a future without faith and hope. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]2Co 12:15[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] I will most gladly spend and be spent for your souls. If I love you more, am I to be loved less? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The Agora [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]The Agora was[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] a market place where we believe Paul and others came to offer their tent making services. History has recorded a rich culture of sharing craft and produce from all over the world. It’s a little like Australia in that Julius Caesar first sent slaves to Corinth to build infrastructure. 750,000 people were there in Pauls day did you believe it to be that large a population? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Partial list of Ecclesial members[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt] Priscilla, Aquila, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Titius[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Justus, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Crispus[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Sosthenes[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], and [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Apollos[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] (Acts 18)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt] Chloe, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Stephanas[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Fortunatus[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], and [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Achaicus[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] (1 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Cor[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 1 & 16)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt] Phoebe, Lucius, Jason, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Sosipater[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Tertius[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], Gaius, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Quartus[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt], and Erastus (Romans 16)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Diversity of members[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Nobility - 1 Cor 1:26-28[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Slaves - 1 Cor 7:21-23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Wealthy - 2 Cor 8:14[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Poor - 1 Cor 1:28; 11:22[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Jews - 1 Cor 7:18[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Gentiles - 1 Cor 12:2[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=12pt]Some of the Brothers and Sisters in Christ:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Denied the Resurrection! 1 Cor 15:12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Were sexually immoral (including a case of incest!) 1 Cor 5:1; 6:15-16, 18[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Sued each other in pagan courts 1 Cor 6:1,7[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Got drunk and at the Breaking of Bread! 1 Cor 11:20-21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Had questions about whether idols were real or not 1 Cor 8:4-7[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Attacked the credibility of Paul 1 Cor 4: 10,14,18-19[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Aphrodite: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The goddess of love, beauty, sex and fertility[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]The temple of Aphrodite was located at the summit of the 2,000’ foot acropolis (fortified citadel) called the [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Acrocorinth[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]•1,000 cult prostitutes worshiped there [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]•These “priestesses” often advertised their services to Sailors and other travellers by sounding gongs and tinkling cymbals to lead the men up the mountain.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]In Paul’s day, Aphrodite’s temple was in ruins, but its legacy lived on.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The prostitutes would descend the Acrocorinth sound tinkling symbols and alerting the inhabitants of their services.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]• 1 Cor. 13:1[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]• In Greek plays, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Corinthians appearing on stage were always shown drunk.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]•The word [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Corinthianize[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]became part of Greek language and was a synonym for immorality.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]•The word [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Korinthia[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]Kore[/SIZE] [SIZE=12pt]became a part of Greek language and was a synonym for prostitution[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]as[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt](1Co 13:1)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Paul alluded to the practices of these priestesses and likened a life without the Love of God as one ascending the mountain to enjoy sin for a season.[/SIZE]

These mass orgies in worship to Aphrodite's was nothing more than a grotesque fulfilling of the flesh. It's believe Paul wrote Romans from Corinth - one wonders if he was drawing on his knowledge of immorality in Roman and Greek mythology?

Romans 1:23,24,25,26,27,28

Ultimately! [SIZE=12pt]BUT HAVE NOT LOVE:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] "Without love, your life will echo with emptiness. With it, your life vibrates warmth and meaning. Even during times of hardship, love always shines through. There is no force more potent than love. Take away love and your earth is a tomb. If you have it, you don't need to have anything else, and if you don't have it, it doesn't much matter what else you have. As you look back upon the events in your life you will find that the moments that stand out, the moments when you have really lived, are the moments when you have done things in a spirit of love. Therefore, search for love. Once you have learned to love, you'll have learned to live. Love is the most important ingredient of your success of hope and faith" [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]"There were serious problems of doctrine and behaviour affecting ecclesial life in Corinth.. It is evident that there were nine serious problems, and one big issue. The nine problems were: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]1. Factions and exclusive cliques within the ecclesia, each following a prominent leader (1Co 1:10-31; 1Co 2:1-16; 1Co 3:1-23; 1Co 4:1-21);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]2. Sexual immorality such as even unbelievers found repulsive and unacceptable (1Co 5:1-13; 1Co 6:12-20);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]3. Litigation between members, using pagan Gentile courts to settle their differences (1Co 6:1-11);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]4. God's holy institution of marriage was not fully understood or utilized for the happiness of members (1Co 7:1-40);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]5. Idolatrous practices were still followed, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]esp[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] feasting and socializing in idols' temples (1Co 8:1-13; 1Co 9:1-27; 1Co 10:1-33);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]6. The Scriptural status and position of sisters, with appropriate head covering, were not appreciated (1Co 11:2-16);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]7. The gifts of the Holy Spirit were being abused and used for self-glory not ecclesial edification (1Co 12:1-31; 1Co 13:1-13; 1Co 14:1-40);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]8. The Bible doctrine of the resurrection was a source of contention, and misunderstood by some (1Co 15:1-58); and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]9. Ecclesial welfare was a "hot potato" and source of envy and abuse (1Co 16:1-24). [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]"Wisdom was needed to sort out this mess, for sure! Paul was more than equal to the task. The theme of the entire letter is absolutely clear: there were nine symptoms but only one disease. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The big issue was: THERE WAS NO LOVE!...because the love of many had waxed cold as sin abounded more and more. [/SIZE]
 

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A young person ask me last night after the study "Do you think if it were not for the Apostle Paul being in Corinth that God would have utterly destroyed Corinth for its Sodom like characteristics?" he went on to say "How precious were those few out of 750,000 people to God and Jesus as per Acts 18:9,10.

Did you know Corinth suffered a terrible earthquake in AD77 which levelled the city?

One wonders what came of the Corinthian Ekklesia?

What we know is Paul was scared out of his wits in that city with a type of Godly fear few in this earth can comprehend. Jesus needed to still Paul's fear with a measure of comfort.

The opposition was fierce in Corinth as we shall see God willing.

If likened to the divine help Joshua sought in Jos 1:1-9 also see Heb 13:5

Purity

Study Cont.

What do you find peculiar about this verse?

1 Cor 7:1

Now for the matters you wrote about:

“It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.”

It took Paul 7 chapters before he got to dealing with the matters they raised in their letter to Paul.

And what was the central theme to those 6 proceeding chapters?

0 “Be perfectly united (Gk. “katartizontas”) in mind and thought.” 1 Cor 1:10

Same word as used in Matt 4:21

“And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending (Gk. “katartizontas”) their nets; and he called them. Mt. 4:21

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The Lesson:

If we leave gaping holes in our net due to rents, tears and divisions, we won't be able to catch fish, and the one's we want will have slipped out!
 
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Purity said:
A young person ask me last night after the study "Do you think if it were not for the Apostle Paul being in Corinth that God would have utterly destroyed Corinth for its Sodom like characteristics?" he went on to say "How precious were those few out of 750,000 people to God and Jesus as per Acts 18:9,10.

Did you know Corinth suffered a terrible earthquake in AD77 which levelled the city?

One wonders what came of the Corinthian Ekklesia?

What we know is Paul was scared out of his wits in that city with a type of Godly fear few in this earth can comprehend. Jesus needed to still Paul's fear with a measure of comfort.

The opposition was fierce in Corinth as we shall see God willing.

If likened to the divine help Joshua sought in Jos 1:1-9 also see Heb 13:5

Purity

Study Cont.

What do you find peculiar about this verse?

1 Cor 7:1

Now for the matters you wrote about:

“It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.”

It took Paul 7 chapters before he got to dealing with the matters they raised in their letter to Paul.

And what was the central theme to those 6 proceeding chapters?

0 “Be perfectly united (Gk. “katartizontas”) in mind and thought.” 1 Cor 1:10

Same word as used in Matt 4:21

“And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending (Gk. “katartizontas”) their nets; and he called them. Mt. 4:21

coresoundmen-mending-nets-300x212.jpg


The Lesson:

If we leave gaping holes in our net due to rents, tears and divisions, we won't be able to catch fish, and the one's we want will have slipped out!
That is a beautiful insight which, as you surely already know, fits hand in glove with "The kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and it gathered of every kind" (Matthew 13:47) and "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." :)
 

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daq said:
That is a beautiful insight which, as you surely already know, fits hand in glove with "The kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and it gathered of every kind" (Matthew 13:47) and "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." :)
Hi Daq,

I trust you are well in the Master?

I was going through some old notes and recall this little illusive text which no doubt you will enjoy.

Gen 48:16KJV

The seed of Abraham were to be like fish!

The verb is dagah, used as a denominative from dag, a fish as prolific. The expression can be literally rendered: "Let them swarm as do fish into a multitude".

Abraham's children understand the hope of Israel and the unity God's promise brings to those who are weary and heavy burdened.

Purity
 

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Purity said:
Hi Daq,

I trust you are well in the Master?

I was going through some old notes and recall this little illusive text which no doubt you will enjoy.

Gen 48:16KJV

The seed of Abraham were to be like fish!

The verb is dagah, used as a denominative from dag, a fish as prolific. The expression can be literally rendered: "Let them swarm as do fish into a multitude".

Abraham's children understand the hope of Israel and the unity God's promise brings to those who are weary and heavy burdened.

Purity
Amen, yes. Perhaps it is that each of us is likened to Jonah in the belly of the whale; a living soul contained within another "outer" living creature, or "great fish", or beast, with its own "skin" or "hide" which is representative of "the flesh" and its nature, (all of the great sea beasts and whales with "skins" are likewise living souls). The fit is like "hand in glove" sort of speak. Three days and three nights the Master makes the atonement for the inside the house of every true disciple, (therefore love your Spirit brother for he was not ashamed to call us brethren). However, the man has both the 'adamah-soil, (of the heart) and the 'erets-earth, (outer bounds or "commons"-profane) so that these fish swarm "in the midst of the earth" and man therefore contains a "great sea" within the dominions, realms, and kingdoms of his own traveling soul, (which is his body with all of its rivers, waterways, and streams). You might have noticed that Yonah goes down to the depths of the sea but then begins a prayer: "Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple" and when he is brought back up it is to the Temple. The underlying supernal theme is that the Temple is the heart in an allegory where Yonah is the soul of the man traveling through his own blood streams and watercourses, going down to the depths of the "the foot" and rising back up again toward the heart which is the Temple of God, (see also Ezekiel 19:10, "Thy mother is like a vine [DNA] in thy blood, planted by the waters: she was fruitful and full of branches by reason of many waters"). :)
 

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daq said:
(see also Ezekiel 19:10, "Thy mother is like a vine [DNA] in thy blood, planted by the waters: she was fruitful and full of branches by reason of many waters"). :)

The DNA as you put it is the life within the root, which gives life to the olive tree of Rom 11:18. But sadly the context here (Ezek 19) is a graphic picture of the spiritual decline of the nation of Israel, and how they had abused their promised inheritance by not walking in it as Abraham had walked. Yet we have Gen 49:10-11 afar off - a great vision don't we?

To receive such promise of life (DNA) one must become a "patient plodder" who seeks to one day tie his colt to the choicest of vines, for such will the prosperity in Israel be in those days.

The flowing rivers will be so rich the grapes will grow faster than a colt eating them ;)

Purity

 

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Purity said:
The DNA as you put it is the life within the root, which gives life to the olive tree of Rom 11:18. But sadly the context here (Ezek 19) is a graphic picture of the spiritual decline of the nation of Israel, and how they had abused their promised inheritance by not walking in it as Abraham had walked. Yet we have Gen 49:10-11 afar off - a great vision don't we?

To receive such promise of life (DNA) one must become a "patient plodder" who seeks to one day tie his colt to the choicest of vines, for such will the prosperity in Israel be in those days.

The flowing rivers will be so rich the grapes will grow faster than a colt eating them ;)

Purity

Yes, the "vine in the blood" statement was not a good thing in the eyes of the prophet; for he states elsewhere of Jerusalem: "Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite." Thus the "seed of beast" from Jeremiah 31:27, (New Covenant passage) must needs be purged out; for God has concluded all in apeitheia so that he might have mercy upon all", (Romans 11:32). :)