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You're a brave soul and demonstrating you don't pay a lot of attention to the politically correct folks with your choice of avatar. As one from southern Alabama I think it's a good thing. You can't erase history just because, although they try. The flag doesn't stand for slavery but for the South and the South is a wonderful place.
You're a brave soul and demonstrating you don't pay a lot of attention to the politically correct folks with your choice of avatar. As one from southern Alabama I think it's a good thing. You can't erase history just because, although they try. The flag doesn't stand for slavery but for the South and the South is a wonderful place.
whirlwind said:Howdy right back at cha'
You're a brave soul and demonstrating you don't pay a lot of attention to the politically correct folks with your choice of avatar. As one from southern Alabama I think it's a good thing. You can't erase history just because, although they try. The flag doesn't stand for slavery but for the South and the South is a wonderful place.
The Confederate battle flag is associated with the slavery that Confederate states attempted to preserve.
So, it is possible that someone else here might find the use of the Confederate battle flag to be offensive.
Nevertheless, this site's rules do not (at this time) limit what kind of avatars can be used.
Thus, one can use the Confederate battle flag as an avatar if one wishes to.
Thanks, and yes its a good flag. Our flag. Represents us. And, they don't call us the Bible Belt for nothing. We are the last hold out in the world for Protestant Christian faith. Pleasure meeting you.whirlwind said:Howdy right back at cha'
You're a brave soul and demonstrating you don't pay a lot of attention to the politically correct folks with your choice of avatar. As one from southern Alabama I think it's a good thing. You can't erase history just because, although they try. The flag doesn't stand for slavery but for the South and the South is a wonderful place.
Quantrill
Yee Haw !! A new member.
Greetings !!
And I like your avatar. B)
Why the user name choice ? Interesting.
Greetings !!
And I like your avatar. B)
Why the user name choice ? Interesting.
Welcome Quantrill ..... to the weird and strange world of Christianity.
... 'ya 'ya ... I know you are already a Christian .... but hey .... 'ya ever notice christians will pound a big and tough drum proclaiming they can take on Satan and the Anti Christ with both hands tied behind their back ????
Then a few minutes later they collapse and get girly scared because of some little flag or emblem !!!!!
Just to let you know you dont have to tip toe around me , I hate wusses , censorship , politically correctness , and weak assed christians .
My favorite animal is the Canadian Wolverine
God knew what he was doing when he invented them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Bkh-P54ws
Arnie M.
... 'ya 'ya ... I know you are already a Christian .... but hey .... 'ya ever notice christians will pound a big and tough drum proclaiming they can take on Satan and the Anti Christ with both hands tied behind their back ????
Then a few minutes later they collapse and get girly scared because of some little flag or emblem !!!!!
Just to let you know you dont have to tip toe around me , I hate wusses , censorship , politically correctness , and weak assed christians .
My favorite animal is the Canadian Wolverine
God knew what he was doing when he invented them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Bkh-P54ws
Arnie M.
laid renard
Thanks for the welcome and appreciation of the flag.
I chose 'Quantrill' because I am quite familiar with his history and have a great deal of respect for him. And, contrary to much that has been published he was not the 'outlaw' he is made out to be. He was quite successful in his tactics of guerilla warfare.
Arnie Manitoba
Good to meet you. Yes, I am Christian and grounded quite well in the Scriptures. And it is this, I believe, that gives Christians confidence and courage.
Im glad to see you have that confidence already. More and more I meet Christians like yourself. It has become a necessity in our secualr atheistic world today.
Look forward to our discussions.
Quantrill
Thanks for the welcome and appreciation of the flag.
I chose 'Quantrill' because I am quite familiar with his history and have a great deal of respect for him. And, contrary to much that has been published he was not the 'outlaw' he is made out to be. He was quite successful in his tactics of guerilla warfare.
Arnie Manitoba
Good to meet you. Yes, I am Christian and grounded quite well in the Scriptures. And it is this, I believe, that gives Christians confidence and courage.
Im glad to see you have that confidence already. More and more I meet Christians like yourself. It has become a necessity in our secualr atheistic world today.
Look forward to our discussions.
Quantrill
Dodo_David said:
The Confederate flag/Rebel flag (which is actually the battle flag of Northern Virginia) means much more. Many of us, here in the South, have roots going back long before the Civil War. We had family blood spilled on this ground, we have generations of family buried in this soil and...we are proud of it.
Today, thanks to the PC police...to show a Rebel Flag is a hate crime, the south is ridiculed and yet more and more folks are moving on down.
When we look at the big "X" on the flag we see thirteen white stars...they represent the thirteen original united colonies...the beginning of the United States of America! Each of the colonies had it's own self government until the beginning of the northern aggression when they tried to usurp authority over the south.....this was the main cause of the Civil War.
I'm certainly not defended slavery but ask others to understand the flag without condemnation fueled by lack of knowledge. In that light....the stars are laid out in the pattern of an X and the blue bands are put ON the thirteen stars to show the south no longer wanted to be part of the union with the north. It stated....cross us out of your union. The south withdrew and the secession led to the Civil War. (Does this sound familiar today...the government taking over State's rights?)
That was the message of the flag and yet it has been dragged through the mud by the same folks that have changed the rainbow into an abomination, changed the word gay to be what it was never meant to mean. And, the list goes on.
I don't want any part of that group. Actually, I wouldn't mind seceding from them...maybe creating a flag for that very purpose.
Whirlwind
You're dead on. And this flag still stands for secession. Which is why they really hate it. I would say no need to create another, though I know what you mean. You have to get over the propaganda that has gone ahead of this flag already.
Quantrill
You're dead on. And this flag still stands for secession. Which is why they really hate it. I would say no need to create another, though I know what you mean. You have to get over the propaganda that has gone ahead of this flag already.
Quantrill
Welcome to the community.
I'm back and forth on the flag. I personally don't own any printings of it, nor would I wear them. I choose this because I do not want to offend others, because the flag does carry a good bit of propaganda (and some evil truth) with it and means different things to different people. I try and work very hard at 1 Corinthians 10:31 because it may turn off others. That is my choice and I remain an amateur student of history.
Regardless, I won't condemn another because it does represent history for many of us, even with the evils of slavery. For the record, my office does contain a small copy of the Confederate Seal on it, but only because it contains General Washington and the phrase, Deo Vindice.
I am not as familiar with Quantril, but I had the opportunity to do an app for the Army that involved one of their staff rides. It's a staff ride about the Carolina Campaign when general Sherman marched through my state. As part of the app, I read primary sources to retrace the passage of the Union Army. I was able to read a great deal of correspondence from Gen. Wade Hampton III, and as such he has become a man I respect and admire greatly. I also learned a great deal about General Oliver Howard, and have come to respect him greatly as a Christian alongside Hampton.
History is not always black and white, but I also don't follow the postmodern concept that there is no absolute truth. The truth be told, there was righteousness and truth on both sides, just as there was evil on both sides. We are all under the fall.
I'm back and forth on the flag. I personally don't own any printings of it, nor would I wear them. I choose this because I do not want to offend others, because the flag does carry a good bit of propaganda (and some evil truth) with it and means different things to different people. I try and work very hard at 1 Corinthians 10:31 because it may turn off others. That is my choice and I remain an amateur student of history.
Regardless, I won't condemn another because it does represent history for many of us, even with the evils of slavery. For the record, my office does contain a small copy of the Confederate Seal on it, but only because it contains General Washington and the phrase, Deo Vindice.
I am not as familiar with Quantril, but I had the opportunity to do an app for the Army that involved one of their staff rides. It's a staff ride about the Carolina Campaign when general Sherman marched through my state. As part of the app, I read primary sources to retrace the passage of the Union Army. I was able to read a great deal of correspondence from Gen. Wade Hampton III, and as such he has become a man I respect and admire greatly. I also learned a great deal about General Oliver Howard, and have come to respect him greatly as a Christian alongside Hampton.
History is not always black and white, but I also don't follow the postmodern concept that there is no absolute truth. The truth be told, there was righteousness and truth on both sides, just as there was evil on both sides. We are all under the fall.
Hammertruth
You say the Confederate flag carries with it some 'evil truth'. What evil truth is this?
I don't worry that it means different things to different people. What does it mean?
Quantrill
You say the Confederate flag carries with it some 'evil truth'. What evil truth is this?
I don't worry that it means different things to different people. What does it mean?
Quantrill
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But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend. - 1 Corinthians 8:12-13
I have kin folk who fought with the CSA. But, I will not sail under that flag lest I wound a fellow brothers weak conscious and so sin against Christ.
I have kin folk who fought with the CSA. But, I will not sail under that flag lest I wound a fellow brothers weak conscious and so sin against Christ.
rockytopva
How would any Christian be wounded in conscience because of the Confederate flag?
Quantrill
How would any Christian be wounded in conscience because of the Confederate flag?
Quantrill
Quantrill, I understand your emotional attachment to the Confederate battle flag, but it is still symbolic of the evil that was a part of the Old South as well as any good that was a part of it.
Yes, the enslavement of Africans was evil. The abuse of the African slaves was evil. The desire to maintain such slavery was evil.
After the U.S. Civil War ended, the Confederate battle flag became associated with the evils of racial discrimination that was openly on display in the Old South.
As I said earlier (and I am sure that HammerStone will agree with me), the use of the Confederate battle flag as your avatar does not (at this time) conflict with this site's posted rules. However, the fact that something is permissible doesn't mean that it won't ever cause conflict.
Yes, the enslavement of Africans was evil. The abuse of the African slaves was evil. The desire to maintain such slavery was evil.
After the U.S. Civil War ended, the Confederate battle flag became associated with the evils of racial discrimination that was openly on display in the Old South.
As I said earlier (and I am sure that HammerStone will agree with me), the use of the Confederate battle flag as your avatar does not (at this time) conflict with this site's posted rules. However, the fact that something is permissible doesn't mean that it won't ever cause conflict.
Quantrill .... I happen to agree with the "Bible Belt" being the last stronghold of the Christian faith in the world (thank you)Quantrill said:
I live in a different country so I cannot get into the flag debate but I see no inherent "evil" in a Confederate flag , any more than I see any inherent "good" in the Stars and Stripes.
A lot of the world sees the Stars and Stripes as "evil" but that does not mean it is .
Anyone want my opinion on the Slavery issue ????
Certainly some of the American Slavery was brutal .... the work was hard and the hours were long .... but they were still fed and housed and allowed to live somewhat of a life .... it was in the best interest of the owner to keep them reasonably well taken care of.
Not a lot different than modern day .... many of us work hard ... barely make enough to survive on .... we get to eat and house ourselves a bit and then its back to work to try earn a bit more. We are called "employees" now ... but we claim to be "free" ... which is only partly true.
Anyone see their freedoms being eroded on a daily basis .??? ... ever feel enslaved to the "system" .??? .... ever try to free yourself from the high taxes ?? .... try it some day and you could end up in jail .... Yet we say we are ''free"
I always ask three questions to people who still complain about early American Slavery :
1. Would those folks have been better or worse off if they had all been left in Africa ??
2. Would America be better off right now without its imported African Population ??
3. Why do we never see a mass migration of American Blacks back to Africa. ???
Arnie Manitoba said:
Your three profound questions are answered with....silence.
I would add a fourth...who sold their brothers and sisters into slavery?
It's history now and history cannot (or should not) be altered. Rather truth (the good and the bad) should be told and not simply erased by some and continuously used by others.
Quantril, the flag carries connotations of slavery for a sizable segment of the population. It was also recycled during generations of Jim Crow. Kingdom will trump fabric for me. I am a proud southerner and student of history.
That is not true. The Old South was not evil, anymore than any other section of people are evil. There is plenty of evil found everywhere. The Confederate flag doesn't represent slavery. It represents the desire of a people to separate and govern themselves due to the constant unequal treatment from the northern states.Dodo_David said:
Slavery was an issue, but it wasnt' the cause or reasons for the war.
After the War between the States, the North used the negroe race against the Southern states. They made them forever the enemy of the white Southern people. The negro followed due to his ignorance at that time and because of hopes of getting material wealth and political power. The Southern white people had no choice but fight back or be eliminated entirely. So, of course, the Confederate flag which represents us, would continue to be used.
Im aware of the conflict around the flag. It is usually due to ignorance of that time period. Should we be silent and let the lies be told.
Quantrill
Really? So does the American flag.HammerStone said:
The Cofederate flag is never recyled. It has existed since 1861 and will continue to fly.
Kingdom trumps fabric, but yet you continue to wear clothes. I don't see the connection.
Then you should learn more of the truth surrounding that flag and its people. Never did a flag represent a more Christian population than the Confederate flag for the Southern people.
Quantrill
For what it is worth, the Confederate battle flag does not pertain to the Christian faith. Neither does the flag of the USA.
We will get along as long as we do not try to link any political flag to the Christian faith.
By the way, would anyone object to discussing this flag issue in the General Discussion forum?
We will get along as long as we do not try to link any political flag to the Christian faith.
By the way, would anyone object to discussing this flag issue in the General Discussion forum?
Well, as I said, never did a flag represent a more Christian people than the Confederate flag did the Southern people.Dodo_David said:For what it is worth, the Confederate battle flag does not pertain to the Christian faith. Neither does the flag of the USA.
We will get along as long as we do not try to link any political flag to the Christian faith.
By the way, would anyone object to discussing this flag issue in the General Discussion forum?
I certainly don't object to moving the flag discussion.
Quantrill
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