The Third Woe

Trekson · Mar 23, 2026

Douggg said:
Then show on a time line chart where the Satan's wrath of a time/times/half time fits.

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The 70th week doesn't end w/ Armageddon as there will be 45-75 days left of the week and no I'm not speaking of the 1290 or 1335 days of Dan. 12. They will follow day 1260 as they should. The 70th week doesn't start over on day 1 after day 1260.

Douggg · Mar 23, 2026

Trekson said:
The 70th week doesn't end w/ Armageddon as there will be 45-75 days left of the week and no I'm not speaking of the 1290 or 1335 days of Dan. 12. They will follow day 1260 as they should. The 70th week doesn't start over on day 1 after day 1260.

I am not sure what you are talking about, but....

Armageddon is the location that the kings of the earth will gather their armies in preparation for making war on Jesus and His army of heaven. The gathering, the staging of the kings of the earth armies, lasts 45 days.

So Armageddon is not a one day event, but spans 45 days. The destruction of those armies, though, is a one day event - the day that Jesus returns.

Trekson · Mar 23, 2026

Douggg said:
I am not sure what you are talking about, but....

Armageddon is the location that the kings of the earth will gather their armies in preparation for making war on Jesus and His army of heaven. The gathering, the staging of the kings of the earth armies, lasts 45 days.

So Armageddon is not a one day event, but spans 45 days. The destruction of those armies, though, is a one day event - the day that Jesus returns.

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In your chart, you say "count forward" 1290 days from day 1185. I agree that at least one of the 1260 day times can do that as none of them have definitive starting dates, but "not" days 1290-1335. They have to start from day 1260. There are no start over dates that start again on day 1. So, it should go, 1260, 1261, 1262.....1290.....1335, 1336, 1337.....2520 etc. There is no biblical reason to assume that it takes 45 days for the armies to assemble.

Douggg · Mar 23, 2026

Trekson said:
In your chart, you say "count forward" 1290 days from day 1185. I agree that at least one of the 1260 day times can do that as none of them have definitive starting dates, but "not" days 1290-1335. They have to start from day 1260. There are no start over dates that start again on day 1. So, it should go, 1260, 1261, 1262.....1290.....1335, 1336, 1337.....2520 etc. There is no biblical reason to assume that it takes 45 days for the armies to assemble.

The 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6 both begin on day 1 of the 7 years (on the table below).

The 45 days for the armies to assemble is because it takes time to move armies into position, and to develop a strategy. Also during that 45 days, a portion of the armies in Zechariah 14:2 will take half of Jerusalem as hostages as part of the strategy.

Trekson · Mar 23, 2026

Douggg said:
The 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6 both begin on day 1 of the 7 years (on the table below).

The 45 days for the armies to assemble is because it takes time to move armies into position, and to develop a strategy. Also during that 45 days, a portion of the armies in Zechariah 14:2 will take half of Jerusalem as hostages as part of the strategy.

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Agree to disagree on the timings but, imo Zech. 14 is mostly post mill as well as Ez.38 and Ez. 39 is post Armageddon. There is no such thing as a separate Gog, Magog war apart from Armageddon and Rev. 20:9.

ewq1938 · Mar 23, 2026

Davidpt said:
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Who should we assume is meaning the woman here? Some propose that the woman is meaning the church. But how can the woman be meaning the church when it is already crystal clear, well maybe to everyone but Pretribbers, that the following is meaning the church? the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I see it as the OT church and the NT church. It's like a transition between the old and the new.

Davidpt said:
If we make both the woman and the remnant of her seed to be meaning the church, it then paints a picture of God playing favs within the church, thus the body of Christ. That some within the body of Christ are more special to God than others in this some body are to God.

Well, some in the church have lived lives with no or little persecution, while other have suffered greatly. The woman had to be protected in order to "birth" her remnant/seed and in that final war is when the Gt happens.

Davidpt said:
Some get to escape satan's time of wrath altogether. While others have to face it head on. The very same things most of us complain about in regard to Pretrib theology. That Pretribbers envision themselves being more special to God than others are. Therefore, they get to escape great tribulation altogether but anyone left behind doesn't get to escape it. Therefore, in my mind, per some of these same reasons alone, the woman and the remnant of her seed can't be meaning the same group of people.

Different people, different time periods but all God's people.

Trekson · Mar 24, 2026

Douggg said:
The 1260 days of Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6 both begin on day 1 of the 7 years (on the table below).

The 45 days for the armies to assemble is because it takes time to move armies into position, and to develop a strategy. Also during that 45 days, a portion of the armies in Zechariah 14:2 will take half of Jerusalem as hostages as part of the strategy.

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Hi Douggg, I don't agree w/ your chart but I like it's set up. I'm a senior and to be honest I don't know how to do something like that. I was wondering if you might have a template or something that I could use to develop my own chart that I would be able to add too, subtract from and edit it's contents?

Douggg · Mar 24, 2026

Trekson said:
Hi Douggg, I don't agree w/ your chart but I like it's set up. I'm a senior and to be honest I don't know how to do something like that. I was wondering if you might have a template or something that I could use to develop my own chart that I would be able to add too, subtract from and edit it's contents?

No I don't have a template.

What to is go to Amazon and buy Corel Paintshop 2023 Ultimate, around $99. And download the program to your computer.

Using that program, you can do all sorts of visual things. There is a learning curve on how to use the program - but it is fun.

Once you learned how to use it, you will be to make time line chart and tables like I do. All those are - are graphics pictures comprised of rectangular layers, colored, and with some text added (all within the program. If you get the program, let me know, and I can help you get started... via private message back and forth.... or maybe I will open a thread in another forum at this site, and everyone here interested in making charts can get started.

I use time line charts to "organize" how end times events fit with one another.

ewq1938 · Mar 24, 2026

Trekson said:
Hi Douggg, I don't agree w/ your chart but I like it's set up. I'm a senior and to be honest I don't know how to do something like that. I was wondering if you might have a template or something that I could use to develop my own chart that I would be able to add too, subtract from and edit it's contents?

You can use Microsoft paint to copy and past and rearrange any images on Doug's pictures. It's not too hard but would take a little practice. That way you can use existing ones and change them.

Trekson · Mar 24, 2026

ewq1938 said:
You can use Microsoft paint to copy and past and rearrange any images on Doug's pictures. It's not too hard but would take a little practice. That way you can use existing ones and change them.

I tried to copy it but it wasn't allowed.

Douggg · Mar 24, 2026

Trekson said:
I tried to copy it but it wasn't allowed.

You can go up to my post #304 that has the chart. Move your mouse arrow onto the chart. Right click you mouse button - and some options will appear. click on "copy image". Then you can paste it over into Microsoft paint.

Personally, I never use Microsoft paint. So I don't know about how to use it. Maybe @ewq1938 can provide an example of his modifying my chart, using Microsoft paint.

I still suggest getting the Corel Paintshop 2023 Ultimate program from Amazon.

Douggg · Mar 24, 2026

I just tried to use Paint 3D, which I think is a version Microsoft Paint. And couldn't figure out how to use it.

The Corel Paintshop 2023 Ultimate program is so much more use friendly.

Douggg · Mar 24, 2026

Trekson said:
I tried to copy it but it wasn't allowed.

Trekson, go here, I forgot that I started thread on how to make charts using the Corel propgram. Just get the the Corel Paintshop 2023 Ultimate program from Amazon and follow through the steps in this thread....

Using graphics program to make timelines, diagrams

I use Corel Paintshop Pro program to make timelines and diagrams. I use such timelines and diagrams in discussions regarding the end times. This thread I am going to go through some of the steps to using the program. The basic fundamental principle is how to make layers. layers are like...

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Douggg · Mar 24, 2026

@Trekson

To make charts, timelines, illustrations, etc. It is best to have two monitors hooked up to your computer. It will make things a lot easier in the learning process.

Earburner · May 6, 2026

TribulationSigns said:
The third woe follows quickly, which you identify as the visible Second Coming of Christ — not a prolonged tribulation scheme, but the final and decisive return of the Lord in judgment.

Rev 11:14-15
(14) The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
(15) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The sequence is crucial. Once the “hour” of judgment upon the unfaithful whore is completed, the third woe comes quickly. That third woe is announced by the sounding of the seventh trumpet — the last trumpet — marking the open and final triumph of Christ.

At that point, the kingdoms of this world are declared to belong to the Lord and His Christ. His reign is no longer resisted by rebellious systems. It is final, visible, and eternal.

We are not told the exact moment when that “hour” of judgment concludes. That is why Christ warned His people to watch. The “signs in the sun, moon, and stars” point to divine judgment of His rebellious House — symbolic language indicating that its foundational has been shaken (just like the mountain and island were removed out of their places). These signs alert believers that His coming is near.

The message is not date-setting, but watchfulness. When the one hour of appointed judgment is finished, the last trumpet will sound — and Christ will appear in glory. Which is why we read in Matthew 24...

Mat 24:29-31
(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Immediately after the great tribulation for the saints within the church, the judgment of God upon that church brings that tribulation to an end for the elect. Why? Because they are obeying Christ’s command to flee. They come out of her and stand “afar off,” witnessing the judgment of the whore.

In doing so, they are no longer under that tribulation for they are separated from the city under wrath, just like Lot did with Sodom.

This is how they “see” the sun darkened, the moon not giving its light, the stars falling, and the powers of heaven shaken. These are not literal astronomical events, but symbolic language describing the collapse of a spiritual kingdom. The visible congregation — once claiming to reflect God’s light — is darkened. Its authority structure is shaken. Its teachers, represented by the stars, fall.

The church, now dominated by false prophets and false christs, comes under divine judgment. What once appeared stable and luminous is exposed as corrupt and is brought down by God Himself.

When the elect "see" the “abomination of desolation” standing where it ought not, they recognize that judgment has come upon the unfaithful church. The darkening of the sun, moon, and stars represents the extinguishing of that church's representative of the Kingdom of God. The “powers of the heavens” being shaken refers to the collapse of its authority as a kingdom representative of God.

This period of judgment is described elsewhere symbolically as “one hour.” It is not necessarily sixty minutes, but a divinely appointed, brief season, and guess what? A Little Season! A season that we will "know that summer is near," Matthew 24:32-35. That allows a short span of time between the beginning of judgment and the visible appearing of Christ.

The great trumpet in verse 31 aligns with the seventh trumpet — which is the last trump. This is not a separate event but the same climactic moment: the Second Coming of Christ. At that sound, the elect are gathered from the four winds. For them, it is deliverance. For those not sealed by God, it is the final woe — irreversibl

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