LEFT BEHIND ... what to do?

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Davy

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OK, enough with the shenanigans of mixing scriptures describing the Holy Spirit with that of "a living soul".

The shenanigans is in YOUR OWN MIND... because I NEVER said the 'soul' is The Holy Spirit. Because you don't know that what you said means you don't even understand about that OTHER DIMENSION, called the heavenly declared in God's written Word! Face it, you are TOTALLY IGNORANT of that.

So you instead believe the angels and even the devil are floating around up in the sky atmosphere around the earth, or in the earth huh?? Even the realm of Heaven is but material matter to you too, huh? No wonder you wrongly think the soul is made up of flesh material matter!
 

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The 'breath' of Life that God's Word is speaking of in Genesis 2:7 represents SPIRIT... not flesh matter.

Ps 16:10
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
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Soul in the Old Testament is the Hebrew word nephesh 5315. It is the equivalent of Greek psuche in The New Testament...
The Hebrew word for "soul" is "nephesh** 5315", which means "animal life".
Please tell me that animals do NOT have Eternal souls/existence.

However, in the reverse, will YOU tell me that all unsaved people upon death, who are only in their "natural man", having "animal souls**", do have The Spirit of God, and therefore they DO also have Eternal Existence??

You really do need to think this through by the Holy Spirit, so that you can be free from the doctrininal corruption of "religious church-ianity".
1 Cor 2
[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the power [authority] of God.
 
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The Hebrew word for "soul" is "nephesh** 5315", which means "animal life". Please tell me that animals do NOT have Eternal souls/existence.

However, in the reverse, will YOU tell me that all unsaved people upon death, who are only in their "natural man", having "animal souls**", do have The Spirit of God, and therefore they DO also have Eternal Existence??

You really need to think this through by the Holy Spirit.

You mean God breathed an ANIMAL LIFE into Adam's nostrils to make him become a "living soul"? Did you not know that word "soul" below is also the Hebrew word 'nephesh' (OT:5315)???

Gen 2:7
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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The context of how the word "soul" (nephesh) is most often used in The Old Testament is about the PERSON, the individual, NOT just some life force thing!

Or maybe you think like the PAGANS which believe plants and animals are PERSONS also, just because they show a life force within them. (makes sense, because of how some people treat their pets more humanely than they do real people, and even worship idols of wood, stone, and metal.)
 
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You mean God breathed an ANIMAL LIFE into Adam's nostrils to make him become a "living soul"? Did you not know that word "soul" below is also the Hebrew word 'nephesh' (OT:5315)???

Gen 2:7
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
KJV


The context of how the word "soul" (nephesh) is most often used in The Old Testament is about the PERSON, the individual, NOT just some life force thing!
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Or maybe you think like the PAGANS which believe plants of animals are PERSONS also, just because they show a life force within them. (makes sense, because of how some people treat their pets more humanely than they do real people, and even worship idols of wood, stone, and metal.)
So you say. But that is your dilemma, not mine. I have already settled it in my heart/mind of what Moses could not specifically convey.

All unsaved people, in their "natural man", are equal to "animal life", for the word "nephesh" has been applied to them as such.

Therefore ALL of such DO NOT have Eternal existence of any kind.


So then, are you saying that all Oxygenated air breathing animals are not "living souls"?
 
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So you say. But that is your dilemma, not mine. I have already settled it in my heart/mind of what Moses could not specifically convey.

All unsaved people, in their "natural man", are equal to "animal life", for the word "nephesh" has been applied to them as such.

Therefore ALL of such DO NOT have Eternal existence of any kind.


So then, are you saying that all Oxygenated air breathing animals are not "living souls"?

Well we have The New Testament Scriptures now, and they define what Solomon already revealed about our spirit and soul in contrast to our flesh per Ecclesiastes 12:5-7. So even The Old Testament revealed a difference between our soul, spirit, and flesh, but not that many of Israel apparently heeded the Scripture.

With Apostle Paul's coverage in 1 Corinthians 15 and 2 Corinthians 5 we now have NO excuse to not understand these differences. Yet 'some' hard-heads still want to hang on to the old primitive Jewish ignorance about it.
 

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So you say. But that is your dilemma, not mine. I have already settled it in my heart/mind of what Moses could not specifically convey.

All unsaved people, in their "natural man", are equal to "animal life", for the word "nephesh" has been applied to them as such.

Therefore ALL of such DO NOT have Eternal existence of any kind.


So then, are you saying that all Oxygenated air breathing animals are not "living souls"?
All men have an eternal spirit.
Apparently animals go to heaven as there are animals in heaven.
 
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Where do you see a decription about any of this in scripture? It's nowhere to be found. There is absolutely nothing in scripture describing the consequences and ramifications of a supposed pre-trib rapture event. No descriptions of the utter chaos and destruction that would occur as a result of millions of people suddenly disappearing. Car crashes left and right, plane crashes, people completely freaking out and so on. It would be complete insanity going on all over the world. Nothing about such a thing at all anywhere in scripture.
ALL Hollywood.
 

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The left behind series is usually found in the science fiction section of the local library
Kirk Cameron no longer believes in the PTR.

"No, Kirk Cameron has publicly moved away from his44 previously held belief in a pre-tribulation rapture, declaring in late 2025 and early 2026 that he has "left behind" the Left Behind theology. Following further study, he now rejects the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine, arguing that Christians will likely face trials rather than being spared, and advocates for focusing on bringing "heaven to earth".
 

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Left behind - what to do?

God Has it Well In His Hands, eh? - ie:

After His Great GRACE Departure!, and Prophecy Resumes, He Will Have "144,000 sealed servants,
2 powerful witnesses, and an angel" to disseminate His Gospel of the kingdom to Israel and the nations.
(Revelation 7:1-4; 11:3-12; 14:6-7 cp Matthew 24:14 AV)

So, yes, Many 'choosing' to "worship God" will have "white robes that came out of Great Tribulation"
(Revelation 7:9-14 AV)

However, there will be one Exception ( After Today's Age Of Grace's "Today Is The Day Of Salvation!" ),
there will be those 'left behind' who will have "No Second Chance", as Described Here:

"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,​
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not​
The Love Of The Truth, that they might be Saved. And for this cause God Shall Send them Strong​
Delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not The Truth,​
but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 AV)​
Thus, YES, pre-trib should be preaching The Gospel of Grace / Reconciliation, With
"Today IS The Day Of Salvation!
(2 Corinthians 5:17-6:2 AV)

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
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The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.
 

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Speaking of animals, lift UP prayer for 'Max'
Max is my son's dog who was hit hard with Lymes's last week.
He is recovering and on antibiotics.

Thank You
My blue healer got healed of cushings disease.
Cushings is horrible and 100% fatal without surgery.

I spoke mat 18:18 over her.
Bound that demon.

The vets could not believe it.
One if them would not talk to me.

A true modern day miracle.

Use mat 18:18 on that Lyme demon.
 
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Left behind - what to do?

God Has it Well In His Hands, eh? - ie:

After His Great GRACE Departure!, and Prophecy Resumes, He Will Have "144,000 sealed servants,
2 powerful witnesses, and an angel" to disseminate His Gospel of the kingdom to Israel and the nations.
(Revelation 7:1-4; 11:3-12; 14:6-7 cp Matthew 24:14 AV)

So, yes, Many 'choosing' to "worship God" will have "white robes that came out of Great Tribulation"
(Revelation 7:9-14 AV)

However, there will be one Exception ( After Today's Age Of Grace's "Today Is The Day Of Salvation!" ),
there will be those 'left behind' who will have "No Second Chance", as Described Here:

"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,​
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not​
The Love Of The Truth, that they might be Saved. And for this cause God Shall Send them Strong​
Delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not The Truth,​
but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 AV)​
Thus, YES, pre-trib should be preaching The Gospel of Grace / Reconciliation, With
"Today IS The Day Of Salvation!
(2 Corinthians 5:17-6:2 AV)

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:


The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

I feel for your good-hearted beliefs, however... what you have believed from men that have taught you Pre-trib are not aligning their rapture theories with God's written Word.

And I quit relying on a preacher behind a pulpit to teach me the Truth a long time ago, and instead began going directly... into God's Word for myself, asking God to show me. He did, just like He did with Kirk Cameron, and even Jim Baker who left the pre-trib rapture theory once he said he had time to do more Bible study while in prison.

Christ's servants have a DUTY to make a spiritual stand... against the beast throughout the coming "great tribulation". Some of us might be killed for it (see Mark 13). But the Church on the whole will still be intact here on earth throughout the trib, in order to be gathered by Lord Jesus AFTER the tribulation, like He said in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.

And that gathering by Lord Jesus will be to a specific spot on this earth, the Mount of Olives where He ascended to Heaven from per Acts 1. The Zechariah 14 prophecy says that is where His feet will touch down at His future coming, bringing all His faithful saints with Him there. That is where He will reign from, Jerusalem on earth.
 
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This question was asked AI: If the Rapture of the Church occurred with over 2 billion people taken out of the Great Tribulation that just started and were caught up into Heaven, what advice would you give those left behind?

AI answer:

"Seek salvation and endure persecution
  • Repent and put your faith in Jesus: The Bible states that salvation will still be possible during the Tribulation. A great multitude of people from every nation will come to faith during this time. Your first step should be to repent of your sins and trust in Jesus Christ as your savior.
  • Understand the cost: Accepting Christ during the Tribulation will likely come at a heavy price. The Antichrist will demand worship and allegiance, and many new believers will be persecuted and killed for their faith. The Bible says, "the one who endures to the end will be saved" (Matthew 24:13).
  • Refuse the Mark of the Beast: The book of Revelation warns that anyone who takes the Mark of the Beast will be subject to God's wrath. No matter the hardship—including an inability to buy or sell—you must refuse this mark on your hand or forehead.

Prepare practically and spiritually
  • Find a Bible: Bibles will become extremely rare, and you will need to find one to understand God's plan and promises. Seek a physical copy, as electronics may fail or be used for control.
  • Avoid the new world religion: Do not attend any churches that remain, as they are believed to be controlled by the False Prophet. This false religion will promote deception and false miracles. Seek other true believers for underground fellowship instead.
  • Leave urban areas: Jesus advised those in Judea to flee to the mountains to escape persecution. Large cities and populated areas will likely be dangerous and tightly controlled by the Antichrist's forces.

Do not despair
  • Recognize the deception: The world will be flooded with propaganda and false explanations for the disappearance of millions of people. Do not believe these lies, such as stories of alien abductions.
  • Trust in God's provision: While life will be extremely difficult, the Bible gives accounts of God protecting and providing for his followers during times of severe trial. Seek wisdom and trust that God will help you endure.
  • Share the message with others: Your survival through faith can serve as a testament to others. Though you will need to be vigilant, you can help guide other people toward salvation.
  • Keep your eyes on the end: The Tribulation is not the end of the story. After this period, Jesus Christ will return in power and glory to establish His kingdom and bring the final defeat of evil."
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Actually, I couldn't have summed it up better - not bad!
So the prize of eternal salvation is waiting for whosoever calls out to Jesus and asks for forgiveness and puts their faith in Him. Though you will likely suffer and die, you'll be saved.
You see that's the problem with this corrupt teaching. There's no finality, no urgency. If ya'll aren't part of the rapture, hold on, there's a second chance.
But wait, it gets better. When Jesus comes back (with all those who were flying around while their testimony or sharing the gospel would have been most needed on earth), a new millennial kingdom begins where ALL jews are saved, and you non- jews will have yet another chance to repent.


REALLY?. The BIBLE teaches in many places that the second time Jesus Christ comes, it's not going to be a quick appearance in heaven to snatch people in the air. It will be FOR JUDGMENT IN THE LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD.

Hebrews 9:28 KJV - 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 

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You see that's the problem with this corrupt teaching. There's no finality, no urgency. If ya'll aren't part of the rapture, hold on, there's a second chance.

Nah, nah, nah... that second chance idea is from the Pre-trib Rapture preachers. There is no such thing as a second chance. Many will hear The Gospel in Christ's future "thousand years" for the FIRST TIME. Especially the unbelieving Jews which Apostle Paul said God put the "spirit of slumber" upon (Romans 11). That too will be their FIRST CHANCE to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ. How so?

It is because IF... God Himself has spiritually BLINDED someone away from The Gospel, then that soul cannot be held ACCOUNTABLE YET. Only once the BLINDERS have been removed, and they see with spiritual eyes to see, and spiritual ears to hear, will they be held accountable for their choice. And Apostle Paul covered this very point in Romans 11, so looks like you need to brush up on that Romans 11 Scripture also, instead of just listening men's false doctrines like second chance theories.
 
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I will be praising God because He now will have time to take my kinks out through His testing of His Elect.
 

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Nah, nah, nah... that second chance idea is from the Pre-trib Rapture preachers. There is no such thing as a second chance. Many will hear The Gospel in Christ's future "thousand years" for the FIRST TIME. Especially the unbelieving Jews which Apostle Paul said God put the "spirit of slumber" upon (Romans 11). That too will be their FIRST CHANCE to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ. How so?

It is because IF... God Himself has spiritually BLINDED someone away from The Gospel, then that soul cannot be held ACCOUNTABLE YET. Only once the BLINDERS have been removed, and they see with spiritual eyes to see, and spiritual ears to hear, will they be held accountable for their choice. And Apostle Paul covered this very point in Romans 11, so looks like you need to brush up on that Romans 11 Scripture also, instead of just listening men's false doctrines like second chance theories.
i believe @Luther7 was mocking pre-trib in his opening response.

Thus his actual belief begins with "REALLY".....
 
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You see that's the problem with this corrupt teaching.
Don't really AI to teach, when you possess the Holy Spirit. However, given AI can scan the Bible and a million commentaries_ from Spirit -filled scholars, analayse and summarize and deliver a concise answer in seconds, I'd choose Grok's answer over yours and many other's in this forum.
People are left behind after the rapture AND some who were on the fence about Christ will not take the mark of the Beast.
Here are several dilemmas to sort out - depending on which view one has:
Pre-Trib: If all Christians were raptured prior to the GT, why does the Bible warn those left behind not to take the mark? And it does not say that all take it.
Mid-Trib and Post -Trib: If the elect only have the one chance to receive salvation and that is before His return and before the last trumpet, ( implying that all those left behind will die), who will repopulate the earth in the Millennial Kingdom???
Here's the answer that proves some elect will be left behind and survive.
Not us. Resurrected eternal bodies do not procreate.
"Blessed are those who reach day 1335.( Dan. 12:12) Is that verse applied to the raptured church?
No, heres why. All Christians are blessed long before that day. I think this blessing is for those mortals who lived through the entire Great Tribulation, because they will enter into the Millennial Kingdom.
As in Isaiah 11:8 in paradise reborn, babies will be born and death still exists, but people will live to old ages like before the flood ( Isaiah 65:20). So mortals will repopulate earth for 1000 years, then another test comes. Therefore, some elect will be left behind and I'm thinking many Jews, when every eye sees Him, they will mourn and this of course means the Rapture already happened.
Amillennial view: There are lots of problems with this view and of you are one of them, I usually pass on debating the subject. But for one you'd have a real hard time harmonizing the above Isaiah scriptures. For once everyone is resurrected, there will be no more procreation. Amillennials symbolize much of what should be taken literally.
Here is another point - there will be a 2nd resurrection and that one will include all those who died in Christ after the Rapture and throughout the 1000 years.
. If ya'll aren't part of the rapture, hold on, there's a second chance.
Throughout a person's life how many times are they called, how many invitations, witnesses who shared the gospel to them ... how many opportunities were given? Just once?
But the GT is quite different.
It is not a joy ride at Disneyland - "If you miss the train on the Pirates of the Caribbean., you can catch the next one."
You miss and you must suffer and likely die trying to survive hell on earth.
The BIBLE teaches in many places that the second time Jesus Christ comes, it's not going to be a quick appearance in heaven to snatch people in the air. It will be FOR JUDGMENT IN THE LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD.
Well, I am not one who holds the view that Jesus raptures the Church and seven years later comes for judgment - that is. Pre-Trib view. I believe He comes and the trumpet is blown then moments later every eye sees him and He brings judgment.
 

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You see that's the problem with this corrupt teaching. There's no finality, no urgency. If ya'll aren't part of the rapture, hold on, there's a second chance.
But wait, it gets better. When Jesus comes back (with all those who were flying around while their testimony or sharing the gospel would have been most needed on earth), a new millennial kingdom begins where ALL jews are saved, and you non- jews will have yet another chance to repent.


REALLY?. The BIBLE teaches in many places that the second time Jesus Christ comes, it's not going to be a quick appearance in heaven to snatch people in the air. It will be FOR JUDGMENT IN THE LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD.

Hebrews 9:28 KJV - 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Both sides believe Jesus returns after the wrath, and stays for the mil.

The rapture is pretrib.

There are no postrib rapture verses.
 

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This question was asked AI: If the Rapture of the Church occurred with over 2 billion people taken out of the Great Tribulation that just started and were caught up into Heaven, what advice would you give those left behind?

Dont take the Mark of the Beast, and prepare to "endure to the end" and "keep the Law", and "believe the gospel of the Kingdom"..... on your way to being Martyr'd.
That's how you earn the right to go to heaven, in the Trib.
This is how you "endure to the end", if you are found in the Trib, and want to go to Heaven.

So, its much smarter and much better to simply trust in Christ now by Faith, when the Gospel is God's Grace and offered freely as "all who believe in Jesus shall be saved"...
And by doing this you become a born again citizen of Heaven, and you will miss the entire Tribulation that is soon to be here, Reader.