LEFT BEHIND ... what to do?

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Dont take the Mark of the Beast, and prepare to "endure to the end" and "keep the Law", and "believe the gospel of the Kingdom"..... on your way to being Martyr'd.
That's how you earn the right to go to heaven, in the Trib.
This is how you "endure to the end", if you are found in the Trib, and want to go to Heaven.

So, its much smarter and much better to simply trust in Christ now by Faith, when the Gospel is God's Grace and offered freely as "all who believe in Jesus shall be saved"...
And by doing this you become a born again citizen of Heaven, and you will miss the entire Tribulation that is soon to be here, Reader.
Rev 14:14
These Jews go to heaven with no martyrdom.
They only endure to "half the end"
They endure to prewrath....or 1/2 of the 7 yr trib.

1 thes 4. Only the dead in Christ rise before the living saints.
So the rapture is pretrib.
(Pre rev14:14 gathering.)
Or Paul was mistaken.
 

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Both sides believe Jesus returns after the wrath, and stays for the mil.

The rapture is pretrib.

There are no postrib rapture verses.
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Post Trip rapture verses:
Matthew chapter 24 , especially 24:29-31
1 Thess and 2nd Thess
Revelation chapters 1 thru 19
 

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Nah, nah, nah... that second chance idea is from the Pre-trib Rapture preachers. There is no such thing as a second chance. Many will hear The Gospel in Christ's future "thousand years" for the FIRST TIME. Especially the unbelieving Jews which Apostle Paul said God put the "spirit of slumber" upon (Romans 11). That too will be their FIRST CHANCE to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ. How so?

It is because IF... God Himself has spiritually BLINDED someone away from The Gospel, then that soul cannot be held ACCOUNTABLE YET. Only once the BLINDERS have been removed, and they see with spiritual eyes to see, and spiritual ears to hear, will they be held accountable for their choice. And Apostle Paul covered this very point in Romans 11, so looks like you need to brush up on that Romans 11 Scripture also, instead of just listening men's false doctrines like second chance theories.
You obviously haven't read Romans 11 carefully at all. Paul indicated in Romans 11:11-14 that he hoped to lead some of the Israelites who were blinded in his time to salvation. So, those who were blinded were not blinded for the rest of their lives. As Paul said, they were blinded in order for the gospel to go to the Gentiles who, in turn, would provoke those blinded Israelites to jealousy so they too would want to be saved. So, their blinding was temporary and they later had a chance to respond to the gospel.

There will be no future time after Christ returns for people to hear the gospel. He will return once the gospel has gone out into the whole world (Matthew 24:14) and everyone has had a chance to repent (2 Peter 3:9).
 

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Dont take the Mark of the Beast, and prepare to "endure to the end" and "keep the Law", and "believe the gospel of the Kingdom"..... on your way to being Martyr'd.
That's how you earn the right to go to heaven, in the Trib.
This is how you "endure to the end", if you are found in the Trib, and want to go to Heaven.

So, its much smarter and much better to simply trust in Christ now by Faith, when the Gospel is God's Grace and offered freely as "all who believe in Jesus shall be saved"...
And by doing this you become a born again citizen of Heaven, and you will miss the entire Tribulation that is soon to be here, Reader.
We are saved by grace through faith, not by works of the Law - even AI did not including "keeping the law".
 

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Brethren in Christ. Even those who push men's false doctrines try to wedge their false doctrines in by doing these types of 'make-up questions' which often don't even align with Bible Scripture to start with, so they are like loaded questions (like, "are you still beating your wife?").

The proper answer to your questions have to first depend on you asking the 'correct' questions that are actually related to the written Bible Scriptures. Some of your questions are in the 'realm' of the doctrines of men, and not Biblical.

Don't really AI to teach, when you possess the Holy Spirit. However, given AI can scan the Bible and a million commentaries_ from Spirit -filled scholars, analayse and summarize and deliver a concise answer in seconds, I'd choose Grok's answer over yours and many other's in this forum.
People are left behind after the rapture AND some who were on the fence about Christ will not take the mark of the Beast.

That statement in bold is from men's doctrines, NOT The Bible. Jesus revealed in the last verse of Luke 17 where those who will be left-behind go to... wheresoever the eagles are gathered, which means to the fowls that eat on a dead "carcase". The Matthew 24:28 version of Jesus' answer to that uses the Greek word for "carcase", and it is pointing to the spiritually dead that fall away to the false-Messiah that comes prior to Jesus' coming to gather His Church. So... get correctly into The Bible Scripture as written before throwing out a bunch of bull.

Here are several dilemmas to sort out - depending on which view one has:
Pre-Trib: If all Christians were raptured prior to the GT, why does the Bible warn those left behind not to take the mark? And it does not say that all take it.

Proper Biblical question, but still does nothing to prove your personal views. Jesus said many are called but few are chosen. Believers that cannot fall away nor take the mark represent His "very elect" chosen ones (Matt.24:24). Believers that are called only that do not take the mark will have made a stand with Christ's elect chosen, and will be among them as part of the "first resurrection" (Rev.20:1-4). Believers that do take the mark will be assigned to the "outer darkness" with the wicked where they will dwell for the whole "thousand years" Millennial reign (Matt.25:30).

Mid-Trib and Post -Trib: If the elect only have the one chance to receive salvation and that is before His return and before the last trumpet, ( implying that all those left behind will die), who will repopulate the earth in the Millennial Kingdom???

NOT a proper Biblical question. When Lord Jesus comes, on the "last trump", ALL... be changed to their "spiritual body", which also is the body type of the resurrection. And what did Jesus say about marriage in Heaven with those of the resurrection? They neither marry nor take in marriage. Thus there will be NO making and having flesh children once Jesus comes, for you bunch of fornicating lovers.

Here's the answer that proves some elect will be left behind and survive.
Not us. Resurrected eternal bodies do not procreate.

Only a Partial Biblical question, because NONE, not even the wicked, will still be in flesh bodies once Jesus returns on the "last trump" change at the "twinkling of an eye." The veil of this flesh world will be cast off for EVERYONE, the wicked also. Men's doctrines love to single out with the change happening only for Christ's Church, when Apostle Paul covered more in the Greek of 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. Everyone will be changed to a body of incorruption, the spiritual body. But not everyone's soul will put on immortality at Christ's return. Some will still be subject to the "second death" at the "lake of fire" after Christ's "thousand years" reign. And the casting into the "lake of fire" at the "second death" is to one's soul with spirit, not their flesh.

Thus your statement is based on old women's Jewish traditions, and not what God's Word actually teaches about the change on the last trump and the future resurrection of the wicked.

"Blessed are those who reach day 1335.( Dan. 12:12) Is that verse applied to the raptured church? No, heres why. All Christians are blessed long before that day. I think this blessing is for those mortals who lived through the entire Great Tribulation, because they will enter into the Millennial Kingdom.

That applies only... to Christ's elect who will reign with Him in His future Kingdom. The 1335 days means from the mid-point of the symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27, then 1335 days after that mid-point. Jesus returns after the 1260 days. By 1335, the new Jerusalem Millennial "sanctuary" will be built and spiritually cleansed, and in operation by Christ's CHURCH. The Ezekiel 40 through 47 Chapters lay all that out.

As in Isaiah 11:8 in paradise reborn, babies will be born and death still exists, but people will live to old ages like before the flood ( Isaiah 65:20). So mortals will repopulate earth for 1000 years, then another test comes. Therefore, some elect will be left behind and I'm thinking many Jews, when every eye sees Him, they will mourn and this of course means the Rapture already happened.

The end of Revelation 20 says there will be no more 'death', that it will be cast into the "lake of fire", and... that the ONLY type of death remaining when Jesus returns will be the casting into that future "lake of fire", called the "second death". There is NOTHING mentioned about flesh death after Jesus' return. What you are heeding are old Jewish doctrines that the resurrection involves the raising of our flesh bodies. It doesn't, only Lord Jesus' flesh body was raised and changed to a spirit body to keep the marks of His crucifixion. Our flesh bodies won't be raised, but at flesh death our spirit bodies will simply step out of our flesh shell, and our flesh will no longer needed forever.

That Isaiah Scripture is simply an EXPRESSION for the future eternal state of the resurrection, that is, for those who are saved in Christ.

Amillennial view: There are lots of problems with this view and of you are one of them, I usually pass on debating the subject. But for one you'd have a real hard time harmonizing the above Isaiah scriptures. For once everyone is resurrected, there will be no more procreation. Amillennials symbolize much of what should be taken literally.
Here is another point - there will be a 2nd resurrection and that one will include all those who died in Christ after the Rapture and throughout the 1000 years.

The idea that if one in this world who had NO CHANCE to hear The Gospel is damned anyway, and will perish in the lake of fire, is a doctrine of men, especially of those preachers who love to use SCARE TACTICS to bring the unbeliever to Christ.

Christ's future Millennial reign of Revelation 20 is written of in the Old Testament prophets, particularly at the end of Zechariah 14 about the leftovers after Jesus has returned of those who were not destroyed that come up against Jerusalem on the last day. They will be made to come worship Jesus THE KING in that time, and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Many brethren thus misunderstand who "the dead" of Revelation 20:5 are, because of their listening to preachers pushing a false flesh resurrection. Those dead in that specific time after Jesus has returned, and the change to the spirit body has happened to all, is about the spiritually dead without Christ. While alive on earth in flesh bodies in unbelief they were like walking dead. When Jesus returns and the veil of this flesh world is cast off, their souls will still... be spiritually dead subject to the "second death". That is why they are called "the dead" in that future time. It depends on the timeline perspective.
 

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Brethren in Christ. Even those who push men's false doctrines try to wedge their false doctrines in by doing these types of 'make-up questions' which often don't even align with Bible Scripture to start with, so they are like loaded questions (like, "are you still beating your wife?").

The proper answer to your questions have to first depend on you asking the 'correct' questions that are actually related to the written Bible Scriptures. Some of your questions are in the 'realm' of the doctrines of men, and not Biblical.



That statement in bold is from men's doctrines, NOT The Bible. Jesus revealed in the last verse of Luke 17 where those who will be left-behind go to... wheresoever the eagles are gathered, which means to the fowls that eat on a dead "carcase". The Matthew 24:28 version of Jesus' answer to that uses the Greek word for "carcase", and it is pointing to the spiritually dead that fall away to the false-Messiah that comes prior to Jesus' coming to gather His Church. So... get correctly into The Bible Scripture as written before throwing out a bunch of bull.



Proper Biblical question, but still does nothing to prove your personal views. Jesus said many are called but few are chosen. Believers that cannot fall away nor take the mark represent His "very elect" chosen ones (Matt.24:24). Believers that are called only that do not take the mark will have made a stand with Christ's elect chosen, and will be among them as part of the "first resurrection" (Rev.20:1-4). Believers that do take the mark will be assigned to the "outer darkness" with the wicked where they will dwell for the whole "thousand years" Millennial reign (Matt.25:30).



NOT a proper Biblical question. When Lord Jesus comes, on the "last trump", ALL... be changed to their "spiritual body", which also is the body type of the resurrection. And what did Jesus say about marriage in Heaven with those of the resurrection? They neither marry nor take in marriage. Thus there will be NO making and having flesh children once Jesus comes, for you bunch of fornicating lovers.



Only a Partial Biblical question, because NONE, not even the wicked, will still be in flesh bodies once Jesus returns on the "last trump" change at the "twinkling of an eye." The veil of this flesh world will be cast off for EVERYONE, the wicked also. Men's doctrines love to single out with the change happening only for Christ's Church, when Apostle Paul covered more in the Greek of 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. Everyone will be changed to a body of incorruption, the spiritual body. But not everyone's soul will put on immortality at Christ's return. Some will still be subject to the "second death" at the "lake of fire" after Christ's "thousand years" reign. And the casting into the "lake of fire" at the "second death" is to one's soul with spirit, not their flesh.

Thus your statement is based on old women's Jewish traditions, and not what God's Word actually teaches about the change on the last trump and the future resurrection of the wicked.



That applies only... to Christ's elect who will reign with Him in His future Kingdom. The 1335 days means from the mid-point of the symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27, then 1335 days after that mid-point. Jesus returns after the 1260 days. By 1335, the new Jerusalem Millennial "sanctuary" will be built and spiritually cleansed, and in operation by Christ's CHURCH. The Ezekiel 40 through 47 Chapters lay all that out.



The end of Revelation 20 says there will be no more 'death', that it will be cast into the "lake of fire", and... that the ONLY type of death remaining when Jesus returns will be the casting into that future "lake of fire", called the "second death". There is NOTHING mentioned about flesh death after Jesus' return. What you are heeding are old Jewish doctrines that the resurrection involves the raising of our flesh bodies. It doesn't, only Lord Jesus' flesh body was raised and changed to a spirit body to keep the marks of His crucifixion. Our flesh bodies won't be raised, but at flesh death our spirit bodies will simply step out of our flesh shell, and our flesh will no longer needed forever.

That Isaiah Scripture is simply an EXPRESSION for the future eternal state of the resurrection, that is, for those who are saved in Christ.



The idea that if one in this world who had NO CHANCE to hear The Gospel is damned anyway, and will perish in the lake of fire, is a doctrine of men, especially of those preachers who love to use SCARE TACTICS to bring the unbeliever to Christ.

Christ's future Millennial reign of Revelation 20 is written of in the Old Testament prophets, particularly at the end of Zechariah 14 about the leftovers after Jesus has returned of those who were not destroyed that come up against Jerusalem on the last day. They will be made to come worship Jesus THE KING in that time, and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Many brethren thus misunderstand who "the dead" of Revelation 20:5 are, because of their listening to preachers pushing a false flesh resurrection. Those dead in that specific time after Jesus has returned, and the change to the spirit body has happened to all, is about the spiritually dead without Christ. While alive on earth in flesh bodies in unbelief they were like walking dead. When Jesus returns and the veil of this flesh world is cast off, their souls will still... be spiritually dead subject to the "second death". That is why they are called "the dead" in that future time. It depends on the timeline perspective.
Nope
The rest of the dead will resurrect at the GWTJ.
Future by a millineum.