The Garden Of Eden

Eyeball Dub said:

Have you noticed that God did not place cherubim to guard the tree of knowledge of good and evil? He only placed the cherubim after The Fall of Adam and Eve to guard the tree of life.

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Have you considered why there was a prohibition on one tree but not the other?

The fruit of one tree was death dealing, and the other life giving.....God told them to avoid the TKGE, and therefore it’s penalty of death....but withdrew access to the tree of life once sin entered into the world. Why? Because he was not going to allow evil people to live forever...imagine if the greatest despots in history were still ruling the world...? We are grateful that they are not still here....are we not?

Eyeball Dub said:

Have you also noticed that God and the Serpent were pictured as humans like God was walking in the cool of the day unaware of actions of Adam and Eve?

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Don’t read too much into the wording there....God has many ways to “walk” with his human servants.

Eyeball Dub said:

I think man is God, God is man, the image of God.

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We are “made in God’s image”.....but not physically, as he is a spirit, invisible to human eyes.
Col 1:15 tells us that Jesus....
“....is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation”
If Jesus is the image of someone invisible....we wouldn’t be able to see him...but, his character and personality is exactly like his Father’s. We too reflect God’s character, though not perfectly in a sinful body.

Eyeball Dub said:

I think God knew that Adam and Eve would disobey Him because it is in the nature of humans to be weak and susceptible. Jesus also disobeyed God by breaking the Sabbath law by working on a Sabbath day.

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That does not fit God’s profile either....God is omniscient...he knows everything...or can know whatever he wants to....but instead of wanting to know what would happen, he made contingency plans for any and all decisions that the humans might make.....being free willed, he allowed the humans to choose their own destiny. Obey and live....disobey and die...it was not rocket science.

Eyeball Dub said:

The punishment for the Serpent was not that severe, he was supposed to eat dust for the rest of his life. Adam is made of dust or earth and Paul said flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

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This is the punishment of the actual serpent, not the angel who defected from his Creator and took the human race with him....

Eyeball Dub said:

Genesis 3:14 ESV The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life.

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Snakes still go on their belly...but they don’t eat dust, do they?

Eyeball Dub said:

1 Corinthians 5:4-5 ESV (4) When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, (5) you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 ESV (45) Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. (46) But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. (47) The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.

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Not sure how these Scriptures fit in with what you posted.....?

Eyeball Dub said:

Have you noticed that God did not place cherubim to guard the tree of knowledge of good and evil? He only placed the cherubim after The Fall of Adam and Eve to guard the tree of life.

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Ah, but was it to prevent mankind from having access to the tree, or to preserve the tree, a sign that God planned a way for mankind to once again have access to eternal life? As Barnes Notes says:

Eyeball Dub said:

I think man is God, God is man, the image of God.

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The Scriptures declare otherwise. God is not a man:

Numbers 23:19 WEB

1 Samuel 15:29 WEB

Job 9:32 WEB

Eyeball Dub said:

I think man is God, God is man, the image of God. I think God knew that Adam and Eve would disobey Him because it is in the nature of humans to be weak and susceptible. Jesus also disobeyed God by breaking the Sabbath law by working on a Sabbath day.

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That is definitely not Christian theology. You're reading a lot into scripture and coming to some strange conclusions. I would suggest God walking with Adam was a preincarnate Christ. As for the serpent, some of it is symbolism. A more radical view is that the entity they communicated with had serpentine features. There's a lot that could be said about that.

Because God never thinks with evil thoughts.
In other words,God Never understand what Satan is thinking.Which is what Jesus Christ said, I neverKnow you.
So even God from the beginning that knows the human will falling away.When I was a child,
I would never understand why humans chose to eat that tree.Instead of eating the fruit of the tree of life. God doesn't understand either.

It's like saying at the beginning，Don't touch this taboo.But humans still touch it.

God only thinksYou touched something I told you not to touch.Then I won't let you touch the tree of life from now on.Are you going to touch the tree of life?

Eyeball Dub said:

I think God is a man.

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Think it all you want, it will always be false. God is wholly other, and he is spirit. He is not a man.

Eyeball Dub said:

Daniel 7:13-14 ESV "I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. (14) And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.

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“Like a son of man.” The “like” tells us it is a figure of speech, a simile, to be precise. There is simply no way to use that verse to support the erroneous idea that God is a man.

Eyeball Dub said:

2 John 1:7 ESV For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

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Php 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

Jesus is truly God and truly man, but it would be error to say that therefore God is a man.

Eyeball Dub said:

He is not God but he looks just like God.

Colossians 1:15 ESV He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

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Emmanuel means God with us.

Mat 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall conceive in her womb, and will bear a son. And they will call His name Emmanuel," which being interpreted is, God with us.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

Rom 9:3-5 For I myself was wishing to be accursed from Christ for my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh, (4) who are Israelites; to whom belong the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the Law, and the service of God, and the promises; (5) whose are the fathers, and of whom is the Christ according to flesh, He being God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Are you a blood-washed born-again Bible believer? Yes or No?

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.

The Book of Genesis and the Gospels are the same story.

Before God placed man in the Garden of Eden, there were two trees growing in it.
One the knowledge of Christ, the tree of life. And the other the knowledge of anti-Christ. The tree of knowledge of Good and Evil.

In the Gospels we see there are two mind thoughts working in Israel. You have the High Priests, the Pharisees and Sadducees, the San Hedren. These all served the tree of knowledge.
Then there were the faithful ones who waited for the promise of a Messiah written in the Prophets. These were waiting at the gate which had been blocked to the Tree of Life until a way would be made for them.

God walking in the garden during the cool of the day, is Jesus walking among mankind and choosing who would follow him.
When Jesus sees that the Leaders of the people have chosen the Tree of knowledge over Life, He tries to reason with them by asking why.
What is this that thou hast done??? Why do you tithe for material things and not teach the spiritual moral and righteous things, that are far more valuable than mint or herbs.

Luk 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

You can go a step back and see the same story in the creation of darkness and light. The sun and the moon and the stars.
You can go forward to Revelation and see the same story again. It is His Story.

The farther you dig the more details start to emerge.
Who is the snake in the garden pushing the fruit of knowledge?
Jesus told us who.
Jhn 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

The devil is the Night, it is the darkness.
Jhn 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

So from the earliest point you have antichrist luring mankind away from Christ.
Gen 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

At that moment man was given a chance to repent however he chose to pass the blame onto the woman. And the woman passed the blame onto the snake.
Their faith was being tested and they failed. Not much unlike what happened to Peter when he was confronted to knowing Jesus.
He denied him three times. The man said it was the woman. The woman said it was the snake. And the snake made no reply.
3 denials.

The Devil, the Anti-Christ, The Tree of knowledge, The Darkness and the Night are all synonymous.
They have no Truth and no Light in them.

What an interesting journey mankind has been on. And God has shown us His Story throughout time.
If you want to know we are headed then you need to follow the old paths to see where they lead.
Because that is the Alpha and the Omega. The Beginning and the End. And the Re-birth and the New Day.

But right now all we have is TODAY. We are in the present. And we have a choice. We can choose Life or we can choose our own understanding, or knowledge of what is right or wrong.
Everyone is tested. But not everyone passes the test.

There will be two in a field one taken and one left.
Consider Cain and Abel.
One is faithful and the other faithless. One chose life and the other chose death.
Everyone is tested.

In the end as it was in the beginning in this present time, there are still two trees in which to choose from.
But at some point...
1Co 13:8
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Knowledge shall vanish away. And there will be no Night, no Darkness, no Antichrist, and no Devil.
All that remains is The Truth and the Light.

Jhn 3:21
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Psa 43:3
O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles.

In the End...
God Wins.
Hugs

Eyeball Dub said:

How do you explain these? Sometimes we do not have freewill at all.

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Man’s Will can be overridden by God’s will….even Jesus surrendered to the will of his Father because it was in line with his purpose. (Luke 22:42)

It doesn’t mean that we have no free will, otherwise Adam and his wife would not have been given choices in the Garden of Eden….a choice between life or death.
The devil too had free will, otherwise he could not have rebelled in the first place.
Each made a choice with consequences….we are living with them.

Eyeball Dub said:

Exodus 9:12 ESV But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

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Pharaoh’s heart was already hardened….God simply did not soften it. He allowed him to be obstinate.

Eyeball Dub said:

Revelation 17:17 ESV for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.

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To accomplish his will, God can put it into the hearts of both his servants and his enemies, to carry out his purpose….so what is God’s purpose for us here? Why did he create humans on this earth?

“For this is what Jehovah says,
The Creator of the heavens, the true God,
The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it,
Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited:
“I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.” (Isa 45:18)

If you don’t know how the story starts, you won’t know how it ends…..

Eyeball Dub said:

Have you noticed that God did not place cherubim to guard the tree of knowledge of good and evil? He only placed the cherubim after The Fall of Adam and Eve to guard the tree of life. Have you also noticed that God and the Serpent were pictured as humans like God was walking in the cool of the day unaware of actions of Adam and Eve? I think man is God, God is man, the image of God. I think God knew that Adam and Eve would disobey Him because it is in the nature of humans to be weak and susceptible. Jesus also disobeyed God by breaking the Sabbath law by working on a Sabbath day.

John 5:16-17 ESV And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. (17) But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I am working."

The punishment for the Serpent was not that severe, he was supposed to eat dust for the rest of his life. Adam is made of dust or earth and Paul said flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 ESV (50) I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Genesis 3:14 ESV The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, cursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field; on your belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life.

1 Corinthians 5:4-5 ESV (4) When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, (5) you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:45-47 ESV (45) Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. (46) But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. (47) The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.

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You asked: Have you noticed that God did not place cherubim to guard the tree of knowledge of good and evil? He only placed the cherubim after The Fall of Adam and Eve to guard the tree of life.

To guard the way to Life is interesting. If we look at the New Testament it helps with why no guard was placed in the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But instead to guard the tree of Life. Because this same “to guard” the way is NT also. What I noticed is sometimes “guard” a negative (discouraged) for example how the Pharisees and Sadducees were guards and didn’t enter themselves but kept other out. Like guards set over the tomb. Guards over who is let free from prison.

and sometimes “to guard” a positive (encouraged):

Luke 12:14-15 But he said to him, "Man, who made me a judge or arbitrator over you?" [15] And he said to them, "Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."

Galatians 3:24-26 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. [25] But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [26] for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Point is:
To guard the way to Life
No to guard the way to death unless it’s still guarding the way to Life ..
Continues past the garden and into the New Testament.

VictoryinJesus said:

Galatians 3:24-26 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. [25] But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [26] for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

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Gal 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Gen 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Rom 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Rev 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Eyeball Dub said:

Jesus also disobeyed God by breaking the Sabbath law by working on a Sabbath day.

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God made the Sabbath for Man not Man for the Sabbath.
Jesus didn't break a law, He was giving rest to others while he worked.

Jhn 5:16
And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Jhn 5:17
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

The Sabbath is the Grand Finale. It is Death. It is the end of the week and the end of time.
But the promise is the First Day of the week when things are restarted, revived, renewed.

God showed man the plan from the beginning to the end. And the end is not an end in itself, but the hope and promise of a new day.

Isa 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Rev 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

When God withheld Manna on the Sabbath Day, did he do it for his own sake or for the sake of the people so they could rest?
Does God sleep?

Jesus healed on the Sabbath, he fed people on the Sabbath and he preached the Good News on the Sabbath.
Jesus did what he saw his Father do.

Jhn 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

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Satan was a Cherub in the Garden of Eden and turned to evil in his jealousy of Gods love for Adam and he ultimately caused the the fall of Humanity everyone wants to leave him out of it and forget it was him that caused it.Its what Satan wants for everyone to forget what he did.When he brought death to humanity we couldn't no longer ascend to heaven.We have our Savior now Jesus where we can now ascend to heaven again in Christ - Jesus opened the gates of heaven to humanity defeating the Devil and his evil work.

Satan and the fallen Angels are the enemies of salvation do not let them fool you.

OK...some random things have been raised here.....not much of it based on Scripture...

Eyeball Dub said:

God is a man in a sense that God loves humanity, they are God's children. God is of course omniscient unlike man.

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Angels are God’s children too......they are made in his likeness more than we are...God loves all,his children, but angels too are invisible to human eyes unless they materialise, which the Bible reports that they have done, in order to bring God’s message to his human servants. The angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel as an able bodied man. God alone is Omniscient and Omnipotent.

Eyeball Dub said:

The elephant and the hippopotamus also have freewill but they do not look like human at all in God's perspective, we are supposed to look like human.

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Unlike humans, animals do not have free will....they are not endowed with the ability to plan or to make decisions, consciously aware of how their decisions will play out. They live in the present moment and respond to what is happening right now, consciously unaware of what the future holds. They can kill prey but have no concept of their own demise...only humans can imagine the future outcome of an action and plan it accordingly. If an animal is hungry, it eats...if it is thirsty, it drinks if the pheromones are at work reproduction occurs....none of it is planned...it’s called instinct.....pre-programming by the Creator to keep all life on this planet in perpetual motion.

Eyeball Dub said:

I think pain and suffering is needed to distinguish right from wrong and it also involves a lot of time to master the difference between good and evil, that would not be possible if Adam and Eve did not eat the forbidden fruit.

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If the tree in the garden was of “the knowledge of good and evil”...it means that they were not programmed to decide between those two opposites. God was going to bring good things to them, whilst keeping evil things away from them......if only they had obeyed God’s simple command, they would still be here with us enjoying unending life in paradise....they would never have known an evil thing.

The devil made that knowledge attractive, something they had a right to know....but it has only brought trouble and strife upon the human race....God knew that it would, but with free will he let them choose. The consequence followed and we are still dealing with them in a world that has only known war, bloodshed and violence.

God’s Kingdom will put an end to the rot, and bring us back to paradise. (Dan 2:44; Isa 55:11)

Eyeball Dub said:

Galatians 4:3-5 ESV In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world. (4) But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, (5) to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

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Yes, way back in the garden of Eden, God foretold that a seed would come into the world and he would “break up the works of the devil” by delivering a fatal head wound to him. (Gen 3:15)

Did you never wonder why it took over 4000 years since the fall in Eden, for the Messiah to come and offer up his life?

And why it has taken 2000 years for Jesus to come back again?

Eyeball Dub said:

Galatians 4:9-11 ESV But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? (10) You observe days and months and seasons and years! (11) I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

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Paul was lamenting that in the Christian Era, many had come to “know the only true God and the one he sent, Jesus Christ”.....(John 17:3) and He chose from among them those who would rule with Christ in his Kingdom. (Rev 20:6)
God and his Son know those who are genuine Christians, whilst also knowing those who are the pretenders...the ones who wear a label, just going through the motions, but do not live as Christ commanded....those practicing empty rituals but not having a close relationship with God and Jesus at all.

Eyeball Dub said:

Mark 2:27-28 ESV And he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. (28) So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath."

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Christians are not commanded to keep a Sabbath....that was a Law given only to Israel....if the church was Jewish they would observe the Sabbath on Saturday, not Sunday, which was changed to accommodate the Roman Catholic Church’s devotion to the Sun....still very visible in the Vatican and in Catholic churches to this day. Much like their devotion to Mary, this was an adoption from pagan religion.

The Son of Man is “Lord of the Sabbath” because the seventh day has a much broader meaning than the just the seventh literal day of the week.